Question Bow ability

[Anne isn't a TT]

I came across a yt shorts where Joe says Night copied KH bow teleport ability. None of comments seems to disagree with this statement. Do U agree with him?

From what I have seen, both the bow and arrow KH uses isn't made up of Shinsu. It's an item prolly made by workshop. I don't think Night can copy item abilities. He was said to copy people's ability. Ofc, one can debate about the shinsu body. But we know the 1st thorn fragment dominates the shinsu as seen when it was activated for the first time. And tiara was in the shinsu body.

From his usage of orb, we can atleast infer he has a natural talent in long distance attacks, like water dragon, storm and so on. Irregulars can have different shinsu shapes esp Night who is very versatile. When Night used bow for the first time, he was trying to imagine it like he tried for the first time while training with Edahn. I believe he just has a natural talent in it.

Tbh, KH never had any teleportation ability. It was only because of so oh or the ancient that he can magically pull off teleportation. What y'all think about this?

 

[Demonspeed]

Yes and no. Baam and Khel Hellam both have the Bow Shinsoo Attribute. Baam manifested a bow for the first time when he wanted to save people at the nest and he said he is comfortable with it. He wouldn't be able to manifest something like a Shinsoo Sword or Spear. Khel Hellam having a bow as item doesn't change the fact that he has the Shinsoo Attribute. It just makes it stronger. Same way Aries use swords and Khuns use spears, it boosts their powers.

Baam copied So-Oh's ability but he can replicate their combo by himself.

Baam isn't really a long-range fighter. He is best at mid-range.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Yes and no. Baam and Khel Hellam both have the Bow Shinsoo Attribute.

Well I don't deny this but if Night can copy items, won't he manifest spear next time because he was hit by Dumas spear multiple times.

Baam copied So-Oh's ability but he can replicate their combo by himself.

Tbh, I believe if KH never had the ancient within him, they both could never teleport cage or things as big as cage. Only 1-2 people at best. As noted by yas, few HRs can use teleportation. Night used 2nd thorn fragment ability to teleport and souls energy in nest. As for divine sea animals, he used Levi's power. Just on his own, he can't teleport even with 2nd thorn fragment. He can at best teleport 1-2 people currently.

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Baam isn't really a long-range fighter. He is best at mid-range.

Yes but the shape of his shinsu and the way he uses it suggests he definitely has long range attack potential.

 

[Demonspeed]

Well I don't deny this but if Night can copy items, won't he manifest spear next time because he was hit by Dumas spear multiple times.

That's why I mentioned that he can't manifest a Sword or Spear Shinsoo since it's not something he can learn. He has the Orb and the Bow. He fought Hoaqin more than once and he even said himself that he can't use Sword Shinsoo.

 

[Lonatian]

I think the most we can see it as is an image copy. It's an ability where Baam is trying to imitate the way White uses his sword.
Baam says he's trying to imagine a weapon. It's basically not directly related to Khel.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

he even said himself that he can't use Sword Shinsoo.

Where did he say this? I just checked nest and the dollar show arc, I didn't find this statement. Also what do U think of RT sword? Because when he was trying to imagine it in nest he compared it to transformation. Like he could have manifested RT in any another form. I am sure they(both thyrssas) can transform in any other form like bow, knife, staff, spear etc. I am sure the fact that RT was manifested as a sword will play a role in Arie family arc.

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I think the most we can see it as is an image copy. It's an ability where Baam is trying to imitate the way White uses his sword.
Baam says he's trying to imagine a weapon. It's basically not directly related to Khel.

Ya, I believe it's similar to BT transformation. Like what he needed at that time. If BT had transformed into anything outside of shield, he would have been in trouble. Same for bow. What use it would have got teleportation if he had transformed sword at that time?

 

[Demonspeed]

Where did he say this? I just checked nest and the dollar show arc, I didn't find this statement. Also what do U think of RT sword? Because when he was trying to imagine it in nest he compared it to transformation. Like he could have manifested RT in any another form. I am sure they(both thyrssas) can transform in any other form like bow, knife, staff, spear etc. I am sure the fact that RT was manifested as a sword will play a role in Arie family arc.

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Ya, I believe it's similar to BT transformation. Like what he needed at that time. If BT had transformed into anything outside of shield, he would have been in trouble. Same for bow. What use it would have got teleportation if he had transformed sword at that time?

He said this in the HF arc. When he was practicing to learn the Orb.

The RT Sword is different, it's not pure Shinsoo and a manifestation of the RT's own power.

 

[Lonatian]

Ya, I believe it's similar to BT transformation. Like what he needed at that time. If BT had transformed into anything outside of shield, he would have been in trouble. Same for bow. What use it would have got teleportation if he had transformed sword at that time?

Honestly, Baam didn't know why he created the bow. I mean, at that moment, Baam put all his ability into the weapon he will create the and hoped it would work.
I'm not sure if he thought it would teleport?

 

[Demonspeed]

He thought about saving everyone and his Shinsoo turned into a bow, the teleportation is thanks to the second Thorn's fragment.

 

[arrowofsky]

Where did he say this? I just checked nest and the dollar show arc, I didn't find this statement. Also what do U think of RT sword? Because when he was trying to imagine it in nest he compared it to transformation. Like he could have manifested RT in any another form. I am sure they(both thyrssas) can transform in any other form like bow, knife, staff, spear etc. I am sure the fact that RT was manifested as a sword will play a role in Arie family arc.

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Ya, I believe it's similar to BT transformation. Like what he needed at that time. If BT had transformed into anything outside of shield, he would have been in trouble. Same for bow. What use it would have got teleportation if he had transformed sword at that time?

Flow-Bending Blue Sapphire Fish: (from ToG fandom)
After encountering Soo-oh's technique, Bam was able to copy it and was able to use it to free and teleport a group of shinheuh from Traumerei's fish tank. He also used a varient of this technique with the power of souls to save the Cage's needle launcher from destruction.

The whole idea with Baam, as he also stated himself while training first time with Ha Jinsung and Hwa Ryun, is that he can learn techniques if they were done on him once. Baam even devours souls and attack with their energy, but except Dallar show's White clone support and Red Thryssa sword appendage partial transformations, Baam did not prefer swords because of his fighting style. In CQC he touches with palm, on distance he sends water floods, arrows, or rain. When you can do gigantic arrow shots on distance, spear bearing does not seem to be what would look after, either. Hence, I except him to have bow and arrow for the rest of the manhwa.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

He said this in the HF arc. When he was practicing to learn the Orb.

According to this panel, he says he created sword from hoaqin's power and not his own, doesn't mean he can't create sword/spear out of his own shinsu.

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The whole idea with Baam, as he also stated himself while training first time with Ha Jinsung and Hwa Ryun, is that he can learn techniques if they were done on him once. Baam even devours souls and attack with their energy, but except Dallar show's White clone support and Red Thryssa sword appendage partial transformations, Baam did not prefer swords because of his fighting style. In CQC he touches with palm, on distance he sends water floods, arrows, or rain. When you can do gigantic arrow shots on distance, spear bearing does not seem to be what would look after, either. Hence, I except him to have bow and arrow for the rest of the manhwa.

Like I said before, Night copying so oh's ability is within what's established. What's wrong is telling him copying ability from an item. JH only says he can copy other people ability. Like we saw he copied from love, Novick, Daniel. What I usually have seen from Martial arts from other works too, those who are experts in H2H combat have exceptionally trained strong body like with JH, UM, Robadon, Cha, kallavan. We all know it has been said multiple times, Night body is weak.

 

[Demonspeed]

According to this panel, he says he created sword from hoaqin's power and not his own, doesn't mean he can't create sword/spear out of his own shinsu.

If he could, he would have done it. Baam can't copy absolutely everything and it's been said by SIU a long time ago. He doesn't have Zahard's techniques or Evankhell etc. When Baam used a Shinsoo Sword back then SIU explained that it was because he had the power of one of his siblings back then.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

If he could, he would have done it. Baam can't copy absolutely everything and it's been said by SIU a long time ago. He doesn't have Zahard's techniques or Evankhell etc. When Baam used a Shinsoo Sword back then SIU explained that it was because he had the power of one of his siblings back then.

It's not about copying. It's about whether he has shinsu of sword shape or not. He also later discovered bow shinsu shape. His journey isn't over. He may later find out other quality and shape of his shinsu.

 

[Demonspeed]

It's not about copying. It's about whether he has shinsu of sword shape or not. He also later discovered bow shinsu shape. His journey isn't over. He may later find out other quality and shape of his shinsu.

He'll find others, but he won't have a sword. If you think that Baam can do it despite all these fights with Hoaqin and him stating that he can't with his own Shinsoo then I don't know what to say.

Wether he does by copying or not, his Shinsoo is the source.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

He'll find others, but he won't have a sword. If you think that Baam can do it despite all these fights with Hoaqin and him stating that he can't with his own Shinsoo then I don't know what to say.

Wether he does by copying or not, his Shinsoo is the source.

From my understanding of that statement" that sword was made with hoaqin's power and not mine" doesn't mean he can't create one with his Shinsu at all. Those two have entirely different meanings. But yeah we will see when he gains another shape. Also, I believe Copying the sword shape and copying Arie swordsmanship are entirely 2 different things.