Baam - Mago Similarity?

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Phanta's prophecy if it can be called so of mago becoming queen of tower seems similar to outside god's prophecy of baam riding the tower of zahard and opening to greater heights.

It is possible outside god may indeed be darkness.

Thoughts?

@arrowofsky @maverickframe_19 @Ray Barracuda @Blooming_Lotus etc

 

[Ray Barracuda]

No, it's more than likely that Phanta is encroaching on the story of TOG and trying to claim it as his territory by rewriting the narrative.


Phanta isn't the outside god, he's taking from the outside god and most likely will subdue him too eventually.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

No, it's more than likely that Phanta is encroaching on the story of TOG and trying to claim it as his territory by rewriting the narrative.


Phanta isn't the outside god, he's taking from the outside god and most likely will subdue him too eventually.

Or maybe phanta is outside god itself? It is possible something prevents him from directly killing/usurping zahard and hence he needs someone who can channel his powers like baam or mago to do the job?

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Or maybe phanta is outside god itself? It is possible something prevents him from directly killing/usurping zahard and hence he needs someone who can channel his powers like baam or mago to do the job?

If Phanta were the outside god and the one who owns the Tower, there's no rule stopping him from removing Zahard easily.



But once again, he's also even without being the outside god he's simply powerful enough to simply rewrite the Tower and remove Zahard but yet he's doing it by proxy.


More than likely rather than doing it himself, Phanta is trying to expand his territory and therefore possibly giving his major followers authority over certain strong points.



We don't know what the full plan of that Elderitch monster is, only after TOG ends we'll most likely continue onto the Phantaminum.

 

[arrowofsky]

This 14th chapter is hell. I liked it a lot really.
Besides, the person who talks these things at the last so much resembles to Neo, even the eye colors. Additionally, I don't know mago and probably mago thing will not work or Urek would work to eradicate that most probably (early to claim this though).
Finally, the yellow crystal like thing with veins (fr xD), I thought it was one of jewels at first but probably not. Furthermore, yes, that flower, and we have seen that similar thing lately in ToG S3 it can go so far as current Luslec is a surgical product of half cursed half original Luslec body or something like that.

Unfortunately, I don't have much thought on Baam and comparing it to Mago, but Baam may have been contaminated by that, though I am bored of Baam everything within him.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Phanta's prophecy if it can be called so of mago becoming queen of tower seems similar to outside god's prophecy of baam riding the tower of zahard and opening to greater heights.

It is possible outside god may indeed be darkness.

Thoughts?

@arrowofsky @maverickframe_19 @Ray Barracuda @Blooming_Lotus etc

I have always believed it to be the case. Ever since Phanta betrayed his creator, an opportunity presented itself in front of him through Arlene's prayers. I do believe Bam is another of Darkness' creation to keep Phanta in check.

 

[Demonspeed]

I have always believed it to be the case. Ever since Phanta betrayed his creator, an opportunity presented itself in front of him through Arlene's prayers. I do believe Bam is another of Darkness' creation to keep Phanta in check.

Phanta was born strong, he defeated the Shinies, disobeyed his creator and his alive and kicking. Baam was born weak and is level grinding in the Tower. That doesn't work.

 

[arrowofsky]

Phanta was born strong, he defeated the Shinies, disobeyed his creator and his alive and kicking. Baam was born weak and is level grinding in the Tower. That doesn't work.

I get your idea and mostly accept but from the very first chapters Baam always had a very clear fighting strategy-skill, like he 98 % knew what was the optimum thing to do in such deadly situations. I can understand the low durability and AP, but weak? Not sure.

 

[King Dryst]

I have always believed it to be the case. Ever since Phanta betrayed his creator, an opportunity presented itself in front of him through Arlene's prayers. I do believe Bam is another of Darkness' creation to keep Phanta in check.

Bruh, he can't even keep Dumas in check. Talking about Baam ever doing anything to Phantaminum is...something.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Phanta was born strong; he defeated the Shinies, disobeyed his creator, and is alive and kicking. Baam was born weak and is level grinding in the Tower. That doesn't work.

I don't agree with this sentiment. Everyone has their journey, and the last time I checked, Bam is still the MC with a prophecy guiding him. EOS Bam will be what Phanta is currently.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

I don't agree with this sentiment. Everyone has their journey, and the last time I checked, Bam is still the MC with a prophecy guiding him. EOS Bam will be what Phanta is currently.

If phanta is outside god then we may even get urek vs baam at some point.

 

[maverickframe_19]

If phanta is outside god then we may even get urek vs baam at some point.

Phanta is not the Outside God, I am pretty sure about it.

 

[25thBaam_viole]

The thing is that Phanta betray Darkness. In the end game Phanta is gonna be the main antagonist & Baam & Urek Mazino will stop him together just like Sasuke & Naruto did against Madara.

 

[Demonspeed]

I don't agree with this sentiment. Everyone has their journey, and the last time I checked, Bam is still the MC with a prophecy guiding him. EOS Bam will be what Phanta is currently.

If Phanta were to appear in front of Baam now, he would kill him in no time. Plenty of people can do this, even Towerborns. Phanta was born strong to defeat the Shinies and defeated his enemies. How could Baam be someone born to deal with Phanta when he has been alive for centuries and is nowhere near this level. Phanta entered and left the Tower. No one can defeat him.

 

[maverickframe_19]

If Phanta were to appear in front of Baam now, he would kill him in no time. Plenty of people can do this, even Towerborns. Phanta was born strong to defeat the Shinies and defeated his enemies. How could Baam be someone born to deal with Phanta when he has been alive for centuries and is nowhere near this level. Phanta entered and left the Tower. No one can defeat him.

So you're telling me we have never seen "ignorance from the strongest trope in storytelling before?" Why would an elephant care about the existence of an ant? Phanta knew Zahard was the strongest there, so he met him and left.

Wasn't the goal of the tower to create an axis? EOS Bam will be on his level or thereabouts. If there is a chance Urek could defeat Phanta, then EOS Bam has a chance too. Maybe they both beat him together.

As for why Phanta isn't coming now to the tower -

A. I think it's beneath his time.

B. Urek is currently active in the tower, searching for him.

 

[Demonspeed]

So you're telling me we have never seen "ignorance from the strongest trope in storytelling before?" Why would an elephant care about the existence of an ant? Phanta knew Zahard was the strongest there, so he met him and left.

Wasn't the goal of the tower to create an axis? EOS Bam will be on his level or thereabouts. If there is a chance Urek could defeat Phanta, then EOS Bam has a chance too. Maybe they both beat him together.

As for why Phanta isn't coming now to the tower -

A. I think it's beneath his time.

B. Urek is currently active in the tower, searching for him.

What I am saying is that Baam wasn't born to defeat Phanta. When The Darkness needed someone to defeat the Shinies he created Phanta who was already fit for the task. Phanta is such a big deal that he is even ignoring The Darkness which means The Darkness has no control over him and his actions. He can’t know what Phanta will do. Phanta does what he wants, he could theoritically reappear and destroy the Tower. He won't of course, but Baam would be powerless against him.

 

[maverickframe_19]

What I am saying is that Baam wasn't born to defeat Phanta. When The Darkness needed someone to defeat the Shinies he created Phanta who was already fit for the task. Phanta is such a big deal that he is even ignoring The Darkness which means The Darkness has no control over him and his actions. He can’t know what Phanta will do. Phanta does what he wants, he could theoritically reappear and destroy the Tower. He won't of course, but Baam would be powerless against him.

I see your point, but the reason I theorise this is simply as you said. Darkness couldn't control Phanta, so he created another entity with endless possibilities for power. This opportunity was presented to him via Arlene's prayer to him. Liberating tower + Become an axis (if it's still the tower goal) + Killing Zahard + Handling Phanta (if need be) (Killing two sources of evil/bird with one stone, as the saying goes)

In a way, Phanta is a rogue Otsutsuki, Bam and Urek (yin/yang, darkness/light) (Naruto reference)

It's just a possibility, is what i am just implying here.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

I see your point, but the reason I theorise this is simply as you said. Darkness couldn't control Phanta, so he created another entity with endless possibilities for power. This opportunity was presented to him via Arlene's prayer to him. Liberating tower + Become an axis (if it's still the tower goal) + Killing Zahard + Handling Phanta (if need be) (Killing two sources of evil/bird with one stone, as the saying goes)

In a way, Phanta is a rogue Otsutsuki, Bam and Urek (yin/yang, darkness/light) (Naruto reference)

It's just a possibility, is what i am just implying here.

It is possible darkness needs a specific host to challenge its power and baam for some reason was the perfect vessel. It would be interesting if one of the reasons darkness gave its powers to baam is to beat phanta in far future. Urek and Baam vs Phantaminium

 

[maverickframe_19]

It is possible darkness needs a specific host to challenge its power and baam for some reason was the perfect vessel. It would be interesting if one of the reasons darkness gave its powers to baam is to beat phanta in far future. Urek and Baam vs Phantaminium

Well, in many Eastern stories, gods are perceived to be very selfish and self-serving when it comes to their goals. And I would say based on this side story, there is every chance that darkness meant for this to happen, as in resolving Phanta's situation through Bam.