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I'm starting this thread so we can have a more reliable tier list, focused on things we have seen or at the very least have been said in the manga/fanbooks, leaving little room for speculation and doubts. Players we haven't seen play (or barely) are naturally not listed.

Alphabetical order within individual tiers.

S Tier (Top of the World)

Byoudouin
Volk

A+ Tier
Echizen Ryoga
QP
Oni

A Tier (High Pro Level)

Atobe
Amadeus
Bismarck
Fernandez
Rhinehart
Tanegashima
Tezuka
Tokugawa
Watanabe
Zeus

B Tier (TnK Rally+)

Akutsu
Echizen Ryoma
Fuji
Irie
Yukimura

C Tier (TnK Rally)
Chardard
Delon
Dorgias
Sanada
Shiraishi
Siegfried
Toyama

D Tier
Hakamada
Krauser
Momoshiro
Nakagauchi
Oshitari Y.
Sengoku
Yamato


Prefectural Tournament
(Chapters 1 - 40)

High

Echizen Ryoma

Mid

Ibu Shinji
Inui Sadaharu
Kaidoh Kaoru
Kamio Akira

Low

Arai Masashi
Sasabe


Tokyo Tournament
(Chapters 41 - 109)

High

Akutsu Jin
Echizen Ryoma
Fuji Shuuske

Mid

Momoshiro Takeshi
Sengoku Kiyosumi

Low

Fuji Yuuta
Mizuki Hajime


Kanto Tournament
(Chapters 110 - 236)

High

Echizen Ryoma
Sanada Gen'ichirou

Upper Mid

Atobe Keigo
Fuji Shuusuke
Inui Sadaharu
Kirihara Akaya
Tezuka Kunimitsu
Yanagi Renji

Lower Mid

Akutagawa Jiro
Aoi Kentarou
Hiyoshi Wakashi
Kamio Akira
Kaidoh Kaoru
Kiraku Yasuyuki
Sengoku Kiyosumi

Low

Kawamura Takashi


National Tournament
(Chapters 237-379)

S Tier

Echizen Ryoma

A Tier

Yukimura Seiichi

B Tier

Fuji Shuusuke
Sanada Gen'ichirou
Tezuka Kunimitsu
Tooyama Kintarou

C Tier

Atobe Keigo
Chitose Senri
Kirihara Akaya
Kite Eishirou
Niou Masaharu
Shiraishi Kuranosuke
Tachibana Kippei

D Tier

Ishida Gin
Liliadent Krauser
Momoshiro Takeshi
Oshitari Yuushi

E Tier

Chinen Hiroshi
Kai Yuujirou
Kikumaru Eiji
Tanishi Kei

F Tier

Aoi Kentarou
Kawamura Takashi
Saeki Kojirou

Only characters that had at least one onscreen match (or currently have one) IN SINGLES (or a close equivalent) are to be ranked.

Concerning the Tier Lists for Prefecturals, Tokyo, Kanto and Nationals, the above criteria apply to the given time frame.
 
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I think it's important to note that unlike in Sanada vs Ryoma or Atobe/Niou vs Ochi/Mouri, Volk doesn't seal his power in their match. He holds nothing back and lost. And in that Match Byoudin evolved his mental and Kijin. So in any rematch Byoudin doesn't need to sacrifice a game to time loop and has already experienced Infinite Tornado. Volk's counter to perfected eight consciousness was the IT which got beat. So not only are they more equal, but arguably Byoudin has a higher chance to win in any rematch barring any theoretical upgrades.
Not really no doubt in my mind if this match happened in a pro tournament Volk wins.
 

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Sure, just like how Sanada would suddenly unsealed his Rai against his personality to beat Ryoma and how Tezuka arm would either be magically heal and allow him to use pinnacle of hard work or his move wouldn't hurt his arm although his body is nowhere near the level he is in NPoT and how Echizen once in a lifetime shot that was never mention in the series would trigger again multiple times in his lifetime. But no doubt that Volk can win.

Volk is more likely to win, but there's no way it's "no doubt".
 

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Sure, just like how Sanada would suddenly unsealed his Rai against his personality to beat Ryoma and how Tezuka arm would either be magically heal and allow him to use pinnacle of hard work or his move wouldn't hurt his arm although his body is nowhere near the level he is in NPoT and how Echizen once in a lifetime shot that was never mention in the series would trigger again multiple times in his lifetime. But no doubt that Volk can win.

Volk is more likely to win, but there's no way it's "no doubt".
Only reason Byo beat Volk was because he literally had the Genius 10 help him. Like if he fought Volk in a tournament Byo wouldn't have that help since he'll be fighting for himself not team Japan. And in a tournament I've doubt Volk would push himself more that just playing for team Germany.
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Sure, just like how Sanada would suddenly unsealed his Rai against his personality to beat Ryoma and how Tezuka arm would either be magically heal and allow him to use pinnacle of hard work or his move wouldn't hurt his arm although his body is nowhere near the level he is in NPoT and how Echizen once in a lifetime shot that was never mention in the series would trigger again multiple times in his lifetime. But no doubt that Volk can win.

Volk is more likely to win, but there's no way it's "no doubt".
Read chapter 236 that's where Sanada something about Ryoma Cool Drive.
 

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Only reason Byo beat Volk was because he literally had the Genius 10 help him. Like if he fought Volk in a tournament Byo wouldn't have that help since he'll be fighting for himself not team Japan. And in a tournament I've doubt Volk would push himself more that just playing for team Germany.
So basically just "I think". Ok.

Read chapter 236 that's where Sanada something about Ryoma Cool Drive.
That's only what Sanada think. Ryoma repeatly use it several times afterward and the other times there are 0 times that it doesn't behave the same way. It simply doesn't matter. Should we both go over every single time Ryoma try to use Cool drive afterwards and see Sanada how accurate prediction is?

It only a guess on how things would bounce and nothing about it is say to be once in a lifetime nor did Echizen admit it was once in a lifetime.
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Actually, let's just make it extremely simple. Show me a single time cool drive doesn't roll on whatever it bounce on other than that one time it face Yukimura Mr. return everything. I think that's the only time cool drive fail in the series.

Fuji seem to be able to return it as well judging from Ryoma prediction but that doesn't mean it react differently. It's because Fuji special tech can counter cool drive.

Cool drive behave the EXACT same way against Tanishi TWICE. You can go check the wound on Tanishi cheek in before Ryoma match with Yukimura and how it hit his cheek in first match against Higa.

Moreover, Sanada head off with Atobe to face off against Echizen that doesn't have PoP to reawaken his memory and it highly suggest everyone there lost. And that Sanada didn't sealed his Rai anymore.
 
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So basically just "I think". Ok.
No it's literally what happened or did you miss the Genius 10 help him? Amadeus is the only pro who took this tournament truly seriously. Camus stop his teammate from using his ultimate technique against Sanada. And only reason Niou/Duke beat the doubles pro is because they hesitated facing a MS.
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So basically just "I think". Ok.



That's only what Sanada think. Ryoma repeatly use it several times afterward and the other times there are 0 times that it doesn't behave the same way. It simply doesn't matter. Should we both go over every single time Ryoma try to use Cool drive afterwards and see Sanada how accurate prediction is?

It only a guess on how things would bounce and nothing about it is say to be once in a lifetime nor did Echizen admit it was once in a lifetime.
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Actually, let's just make it extremely simple. Show me a single time cool drive doesn't roll on whatever it bounce on other than that one time it face Yukimura Mr. return everything. I think that's the only time cool drive fail in the series.

Fuji seem to be able to return it as well judging from Ryoma prediction but that doesn't mean it react differently. It's because Fuji special tech can counter cool drive.

Cool drive behave the EXACT same way against Tanishi TWICE. You can go check the wound on Tanishi cheek in before Ryoma match with Yukimura and how it hit his cheek in first match against Higa.

Moreover, Sanada head off with Atobe to face off against Echizen that doesn't have PoP to reawaken his memory and it highly suggest everyone there lost. And that Sanada didn't sealed his Rai anymore.
Your acting like we didn't have a timeskip where Ryoma didn't practice to master it. I mean you can't compare Sanada and Fuji situation one knew about cool drive and the other didn't.

Imagine compering National Ryoma to Kanto that's such a joke argument.
 

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No it's literally what happened or did you miss the Genius 10 help him? Amadeus is the only pro who took this tournament truly seriously. Camus stop his teammate from using his ultimate technique against Sanada. And only reason Niou/Duke beat the doubles pro is because they hesitated facing a MS.
Having his friend there is only for moral support. You know they are not going to stop being a friend after the tournament right?

Lmao people are saying Niou/Duke beat pro fair and square and here you are saying the ONLY reason they beat Pro is because Niou is MS.

Your acting like we didn't have a timeskip where Ryoma didn't practice to master it. I mean you can't compare Sanada and Fuji situation one knew about cool drive and the other didn't.

Imagine compering National Ryoma to Kanto that's such a joke argument.
And yet nothing about it is once in a lifetime like you make it up. It's repeatable. Period. Did you have 1 panel saying Echizen practice cool drive during the timeskip? I ask for just 1 panel. Please go ahead and provide it. If you can't provide that panel, that says a lot about every other points you have.

And if it's as hard to hit and it come down to chance like Sanada say, no amount of practicing is going to help because based on what Sanada say IT'S RANDOM and only sometimes will do irregular bounce. He say might not be successful even 1 out of 100 times which is nowhere near once in a life time and it's shown later pretty clearly by Echizen that it's Sanada's skill issue. Sanada himself admit might not be able to do it 1/100 times. Doesn't mean that Echizen can't.
 
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MY TOP 10 Strongest HS Players

1. Medanore (including the Five Body Fusion with Antonio)

2. Volk

3. Byodouin

4. Tokugawa

5. QP

6. Ralph

7. Amadeus

8. Oni

9. Mares

10. Camus

Honorable Mentions: Zeus, Bismarck, Tanegashima, Duke, Kiko, Dodo, Peter,

PS: Ryoga and Ryoma are both Middle Schoolers.
 

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MY TOP 10 Strongest HS Players

1. Medanore (including the Five Body Fusion with Antonio)

2. Volk

3. Byodouin

4. Tokugawa

5. QP

6. Ralph

7. Amadeus

8. Oni

9. Mares

10. Camus

Honorable Mentions: Zeus, Bismarck, Tanegashima, Duke, Kiko, Dodo, Peter,

PS: Ryoga and Ryoma are both Middle Schoolers.
Curious to see your list with strongest middle-schooler minus the Echizen brothers.
 

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Curious to see your list with strongest middle-schooler minus the Echizen brothers.
Now tht it is done.

1/2 Ryoga/Ryoma (Depends on who wins their match)

3. Kintarou

4/5/6 Tezuka/Atobe/Romeo (Same level)

7. Tatsuta (Almost as good as Amadeus. But less experienced)

8. Yukimura

9. Fuji

10. Seda

Yes, full of Japanese since we are not shown most of other country msers.

Hades of Greece might be a Mser. And Narratively, he will be second best after Zeus.

PS: I think I am forgetting some players.
 

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Now tht it is done.

1/2 Ryoga/Ryoma (Depends on who wins their match)

3. Kintarou

4/5/6 Tezuka/Atobe/Romeo (Same level)

7. Tatsuta (Almost as good as Amadeus. But less experienced)

8. Yukimura

9. Fuji

10. Seda

Yes, full of Japanese since we are not shown most of other country msers.

Hades of Greece might be a Mser. And Narratively, he will be second best after Zeus.

PS: I think I am forgetting some players.
Seda is most likely above Yukimura. Yukimura lose to Ohmagari even with Kintarou who is essentially a handicap at that point. The pre-final Kintarou/Ohmagari that is far better than that manage to beat Tanegashima/Shiraishi lost 5-0 to Seda alone and Mares didn't seem to join in much until Kintarou upgrade. And Seda is Singles player.
 

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Seda is most likely above Yukimura. Yukimura lose to Ohmagari even with Kintarou who is essentially a handicap at that point. The pre-final Kintarou/Ohmagari that is far better than that manage to beat Tanegashima/Shiraishi lost 5-0 to Seda alone and Mares didn't seem to join in much until Kintarou upgrade. And Seda is Singles player.
Probably.

Seda is also hard to scale. If you factor in his hypnosis.

Because he might victimized a better player due to his hypnosis hax.
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I'm starting this thread so we can have a more reliable tier list, focused on things we have seen or at the very least have been said in the manga/fanbooks, leaving little room for speculation and doubts. Players we haven't seen play (or barely) are naturally not listed.

Alphabetical order within individual tiers.

S Tier (Top of the World)

Byoudouin
Volk

A+ Tier
Echizen Ryoga
QP
Oni

A Tier (High Pro Level)

Atobe
Amadeus
Bismarck
Fernandez
Rhinehart
Tanegashima
Tezuka
Tokugawa
Watanabe
Zeus

B Tier (TnK Rally+)

Akutsu
Echizen Ryoma
Fuji
Irie
Yukimura

C Tier (TnK Rally)
Chardard
Delon
Dorgias
Sanada
Shiraishi
Siegfried
Toyama

D Tier
Hakamada
Krauser
Momoshiro
Nakagauchi
Oshitari Y.
Sengoku
Yamato


Prefectural Tournament
(Chapters 1 - 40)

High

Echizen Ryoma

Mid

Ibu Shinji
Inui Sadaharu
Kaidoh Kaoru
Kamio Akira

Low

Arai Masashi
Sasabe


Tokyo Tournament
(Chapters 41 - 109)

High

Akutsu Jin
Echizen Ryoma
Fuji Shuuske

Mid

Momoshiro Takeshi
Sengoku Kiyosumi

Low

Fuji Yuuta
Mizuki Hajime


Kanto Tournament
(Chapters 110 - 236)

High

Echizen Ryoma
Sanada Gen'ichirou

Upper Mid

Atobe Keigo
Fuji Shuusuke
Inui Sadaharu
Kirihara Akaya
Tezuka Kunimitsu
Yanagi Renji

Lower Mid

Akutagawa Jiro
Aoi Kentarou
Hiyoshi Wakashi
Kamio Akira
Kaidoh Kaoru
Kiraku Yasuyuki
Sengoku Kiyosumi

Low

Kawamura Takashi


National Tournament
(Chapters 237-379)

S Tier

Echizen Ryoma

A Tier

Yukimura Seiichi

B Tier

Fuji Shuusuke
Sanada Gen'ichirou
Tezuka Kunimitsu
Tooyama Kintarou

C Tier

Atobe Keigo
Chitose Senri
Kirihara Akaya
Kite Eishirou
Niou Masaharu
Shiraishi Kuranosuke
Tachibana Kippei

D Tier

Ishida Gin
Liliadent Krauser
Momoshiro Takeshi
Oshitari Yuushi

E Tier

Chinen Hiroshi
Kai Yuujirou
Kikumaru Eiji
Tanishi Kei

F Tier

Aoi Kentarou
Kawamura Takashi
Saeki Kojirou

Only characters that had at least one onscreen match (or currently have one) IN SINGLES (or a close equivalent) are to be ranked.

Concerning the Tier Lists for Prefecturals, Tokyo, Kanto and Nationals, the above criteria apply to the given time frame.
Now, How do we rank the Top 4 strongest Hsers?

Tokugawa, Medanore (Antoquiño), Volk, and Byodouin?

I think QP is the 5th. But he a slightly below.
 

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Seda's hypnosis is pretty poor tbh, you can counter it just by wearing earbuds lol. Shouldn't be relevant. Since he hasn't played a singles match he should go to the speculation thread, though.

Yeah the top 4 seems clear to me, and anyone should be able to beat anyone. It gets muddier later, we learnt from Kintarou's last match that the mugs auras usually don't last forever and we just see (as readers) relevant points played. With that in mind Oni really had a chance to win against him and he had broken wrists lol...
 

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Seda's hypnosis is pretty poor tbh, you can counter it just by wearing earbuds lol. Shouldn't be relevant. Since he hasn't played a singles match he should go to the speculation thread, though.

Yeah the top 4 seems clear to me, and anyone should be able to beat anyone. It gets muddier later, we learnt from Kintarou's last match that the mugs auras usually don't last forever and we just see (as readers) relevant points played. With that in mind Oni really had a chance to win against him and he had broken wrists lol...
Idk.

Are QP/Oni same level as Ralph/Amadeus?

Or they are better or weaker. Kinda weird.

Since some playstyle and ability counters each other

Having said that, In general. Who do you think is the best Hser among the top 4? (Volk, Antoquino Medanore, Byo, and Toku)?

If they play 100 matches. Who do you think will win most of the time.
 

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Idk.

Are QP/Oni same level as Ralph/Amadeus?

Or they are better or weaker. Kinda weird.

Since some playstyel and ability counters exach other

Having said that, In general. Who do you think is the best Hser among the top 4? (Volk, Antoquino Medanore, Byo, and Toku)?

If they play 100 matches. Who do you think will win most of the time.
It's really hard to tell because we don't really know how the strongest shield and spear work/scale with other moves. Also Konomi skipped most of those points lol.

Like, are they really better than Volk's complete court coverage? Can they even be better than his tornadoes that we barely got to see? Or Byoudouin's boosted multiple attacks?

I think it's just safer to go "50/50 unless it's an ATP setting, then Volk wins because he doesn't kill himself".
 

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It's really hard to tell because we don't really know how the strongest shield and spear work/scale with other moves. Also Konomi skipped most of those points lol.

Like, are they really better than Volk's complete court coverage? Can they even be better than his tornadoes that we barely got to see? Or Byoudouin's boosted multiple attacks?

I think it's just safer to go "50/50 unless it's an ATP setting, then Volk wins because he doesn't kill himself".
Really hard.

Will Antoquino Time Stop Work?

Byodouin's 8C + Pirate + World Techniques might be great. But also it can kill him.

Volk is better in terms of stamina. So, he will probably in advantage in an ATP 5 set match.

As for Tokugawa, I just think we needed to see more from him. But his evolved ashura and black hole are OP too.
 
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