Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Rigel]

Zeref was defeated by Natsu in key situations where he, the protagonist, was amplified by his emotions. In their first confrontation, Zeref also wished to die.

Any character would have been defeated by Natsu in these moments, with the exception of Acnologia.

Furthermore, Mashima often uses Zeref's power level as a benchmark for establishing super-powerful characters (Athena, Faris, etc.).

 

[Steven]

Athena or white faris are by no means on par with Zeref

 

[GodSlayer666]

Any character would have been defeated by Natsu in these moments, with the exception of Acnologia

Aldoron needed to be nerfed to be beaten by amplified Natsu. He is what started my entire point

 

[Rigel]

Aldoron needed to be nerfed to be beaten by amplified Natsu. He is what started my entire point

And do you think that Zeref, with a huge repertoire of spells, wasn't nerfed when he fought solely with physical attacks against Natsu?

 

[WoWfan]

There is also base Zeref able to blast away Natsu in his DF state and wasn’t able to approach him ever since while he was draining Mavis of FH. And there is weakened Zeref who is strong enough to damage Aldoron that while was a seed is a reflection of the power of the person they become at the time, and the seed was so distressed they killed themselves to save Aldoron.

 

[GodSlayer666]

And do you think that Zeref, with a huge repertoire of spells, wasn't nerfed when he fought solely with physical attacks against Natsu?

But the main problem is not his poor showings against Base Natsu, this is always overlooked even because he could immobilize Base Natsu, the main problem is Dragon Force Natsu breaking free from it and then wiping FH Zeref. Not gonna enter in FH Zeref power level merit, just wanna base Zeref, because after that i think it's hard to assue that Base Zeref is stronger than DF Natsu. So he holding back against Base Natsu don't matter if that DF Natsu is weaker than Suzaku and Gray.

There is also base Zeref able to blast away Natsu in his DF state and wasn’t able to approach him ever since while he was draining Mavis of FH. And there is weakened Zeref who is strong enough to damage Aldoron that while was a seed is a reflection of the power of the person they become at the time, and the seed was so distressed they killed themselves to save Aldoron.

He could approach, he was just stopped by Mavis who was later held hostage basically. Zeref hax can kill anyone except Acnologia due to magic immunity, besides Natsu was easily avoiding the death hax

I know i'm probably not convincing people here since even signarios fraudulence was a pain in the 4$$ to convince people and differently from fraudnarios Zeref is a character who was built since the beginning of the series and is regarded as one of the main villains of the originals series, besides even i just noticed that he was just the rumor man after Selene vs Aldoron. But let's be real, most of his defense is based on his hype, so let me make some questions that anyone here can answer.

Is him the strongest man in history or it's human Acnologia ?

Is him the worst man and greatest evil in history or this is slanderous rumors ? I mean, he is just a tormented cursed guy who got the credit by what his cultists did, he was not even a bad emperor from what i know and even the etherious he created the goal was to kill himself.

 

[WoWfan]

But the main problem is not his poor showings against Base Natsu, this is always overlooked even because he could immobilize Base Natsu, the main problem is Dragon Force Natsu breaking free from it and then wiping FH Zeref. Not gonna enter in FH Zeref power level merit, just wanna base Zeref, because after that i think it's hard to assue that Base Zeref is stronger than DF Natsu. So he holding back against Base Natsu don't matter if that DF Natsu is weaker than Suzaku and Gray.

He could approach, he was just stopped by Mavis who was later held hostage basically. Zeref hax can kill anyone except Acnologia due to magic immunity, besides Natsu was easily avoiding the death hax

I know i'm probably not convincing people here since even signarios fraudulence was a pain in the 4$$ to convince people and differently from fraudnarios Zeref is a character who was built since the beginning of the series and is regarded as one of the main villains of the originals series, besides even i just noticed that he was just the rumor man after Selene vs Aldoron. But let's be real, most of his defense is based on his hype, so let me make some questions that anyone here can answer.

Is him the strongest man in history or it's human Acnologia ?

Is him the worst man and greatest evil in history or this is slanderous rumors ? I mean, he is just a tormented cursed guy who got the credit by what his cultists did, he was not even a bad emperor from what i know and even the etherious he created the goal was to kill himself.

That was before Zeref was draining Mavis of FH, I was referring to where Zeref where he was Here. His killing magic is based on damage too as stated by the seed that took on his visage and even shown to damage non-living objects like Ultear’s orb in the anime.

There is direct scaling from the Magic Council members who compared Zeref to that of the Phoenix who was going to destroy the world, so his Power is pretty impressive there.

 

[GodSlayer666]

That was before Zeref was draining Mavis of FH

So you already gave the explanation. I'm just questinoning Base Zeref power and this FH drain could have boosted him beyond his standard power.

He actually lost to Ultear lol. Even taking into regard that it was not his true power level, at least the fight showed that was possible to beat him, just saying in case of any immortality argument. But backing to Aldoron, the death would have killed him if Wolfen wasn't disactivated, so it causing a lot of damage is expected.

The Phoenix needs to gather enough magic power to make the atmosphere destruction, but like i said his reputation is based on rumors. He may potentially rivals the Phoenix, but his combat abilities are so poor that he should be overall inferior to the point that the likes of Gildarts can beat him.

 

[WoWfan]

So you already gave the explanation. I'm just questinoning Base Zeref power and this FH drain could have boosted him beyond his standard power.

He actually lost to Ultear lol. Even taking into regard that it was not his true power level, at least the fight showed that was possible to beat him, just saying in case of any immortality argument. But backing to Aldoron, the death would have killed him if Wolfen wasn't disactivated, so it causing a lot of damage is expected.

The Phoenix needs to gather enough magic power to make the atmosphere destruction, but like i said his reputation is based on rumors. He may potentially rivals the Phoenix, but his combat abilities are so poor that he should be overall inferior to the point that the likes of Gildarts can beat him.

The same would have been said for Irene, besides, FH is only useful if it is activated, hence why Mavis didn’t use it because of fear it can’t be stopped.
Actually by his own words, he didn’t say he was weakened, just that his powers don’t do what he desired as he valued life. So it is a matter of inconsistent flux. Correct for Aldoron.
For the bit about gathering power, I do not see that as a major factor as everyone is still able to use magic and exert significant effort. And his power would burn the earth too. For the rumors bits, there ought to be relevancy considering his curse of contradiction as he acts like a fiend without valuing life, and in chapter 449 Zeref said were probably true. And Magic Council were aware of the Dragon Gods too to an extent.

 

[GodSlayer666]

The same would have been said for Irene, besides, FH is only useful if it is activated, hence why Mavis didn’t use it because of fear it can’t be stopped.
Actually by his own words, he didn’t say he was weakened, just that his powers don’t do what he desired as he valued life. So it is a matter of inconsistent flux. Correct for Aldoron.
For the bit about gathering power, I do not see that as a major factor as everyone is still able to use magic and exert significant effort. And his power would burn the earth too. For the rumors bits, there ought to be relevancy considering his curse of contradiction as he acts like a fiend without valuing life, and in chapter 449 Zeref said were probably true. And Magic Council were aware of the Dragon Gods too to an extent.

Irene was taking an eternity to remove the FH and wasn't trying to drain it like Zeref.
One thing is Zeref without control over his powers being a jobber, other thing is he not having decent feats at all. Overhwhelming Natsu seemed to be a great feat, till Aldoron vs Selene making DF Natsu look weaker than what was previously thought.
Zeref passed a lot of time killing people against his will which helped for his reputation, ironically he should kill less people being evil. And i mean the cultists from Tower of Heaven are child enslavers and are definitely worse people than him but not even the fandom put them as the most evil characters because they are just faceless goons, and since they were Zeref cultists, he gets the credit for their actions. Zero/Brain is a worse person than Zeref, Zero even have a destructive personality. Don't know what the Council knowlegde about Dragon Gods has to do here, they are supposed to be stronger than Zeref and Phoenix anyway.

 

[WoWfan]

i don’t really see why she wouldn’t considering she was moving the war along when Zeref was taking things slowly.

Sure, his most impressive feat is vicariously through a seed of Aldoron damaging Aldoron to the point eventually killing him when he is at least below base level.

it is a matter of knowledge obtained on beings of ancient times. Apparently Zeref is worse as he created the magic system for reviving the dead in the first place which is a violation of the value of life and worthy of being cursed by a God of life and death. And he kept going despite being warned countless times not to. Definitely for the Phoenix but for Zeref at this point is debatable.

 

[GodSlayer666]

i don’t really see why she wouldn’t considering she was moving the war along when Zeref was taking things slowly.

Sure, his most impressive feat is vicariously through a seed of Aldoron damaging Aldoron to the point eventually killing him when he is at least below base level.

it is a matter of knowledge obtained on beings of ancient times. Apparently Zeref is worse as he created the magic system for reviving the dead in the first place which is a violation of the value of life and worthy of being cursed by a God of life and death. And he kept going despite being warned countless times not to. Definitely for the Phoenix but for Zeref at this point is debatable.

The thing is, Zeref is still a genius so he is more skilled than her and August in doing spells. But like Shanks fans say, being more skilled is not the same of being stronger (though Mihawk is said to be the strongest swordsman, not the most skilled despite having better skills than Shanks)

He wasn’t in control of that though, so he can kill a dragon god by acident, a dragon who couldnt dodge him though, and in this same acident Natsu was easily avoiding his death hax so…

Even this system he created to revive his brother Natsu. What i mean is that we all know that Zeref is actually a good guy who just grew mad because of the curse. It was even part of his narrative the expectation subversion from a the most evil wizard to a tormented cursed guy. Even Mavis was cursed by Ankhseram. Even if you wanna say that he was overall a bad guy his true nature is enough to say that most villains are worse than him to say he is the worst man, just like he can’t be the strongest when Acnologia exists. So the rumors exaggerated him

 

[WoWfan]

The thing is, Zeref is still a genius so he is more skilled than her and August in doing spells. But like Shanks fans say, being more skilled is not the same of being stronger (though Mihawk is said to be the strongest swordsman, not the most skilled despite having better skills than Shanks)

He wasn’t in control of that though, so he can kill a dragon god by acident, a dragon who couldnt dodge him though, and in this same acident Natsu was easily avoiding his death hax so…

Even this system he created to revive his brother Natsu. What i mean is that we all know that Zeref is actually a good guy who just grew mad because of the curse. It was even part of his narrative the expectation subversion from a the most evil wizard to a tormented cursed guy. Even Mavis was cursed by Ankhseram. Even if you wanna say that he was overall a bad guy his true nature is enough to say that most villains are worse than him to say he is the worst man, just like he can’t be the strongest when Acnologia exists. So the rumors exaggerated him

I am not sure saying that with One Piece applies to power system in Fairy Tail. As MP reflects’ one’s stats, it is up to the individual themselves on how they utilize their abilities or other circumstances.

I know, but I doubt that you can dodge something that is already physically touching you. Again he was weakened so his stats would likely be higher.

“the road to hell is paved with good intentions”, it is not about what came after the curse but before, how there are rules one what not to do. Same with Mavis in their world, deciding who lives or dies, you could have good intentions but there is a price to be exact or consequences, her existence lead to strife in the Dreyer bloodline. Unlike Acno though, he was not tormented by a curse and was a good guy who was hurt by dragons driving him to revenge, and power consumed him. And Acno even compared Zeref to be able to conquer the world the same as he, and he was surprised Natsu only lost an arm fighting Zeref so there is a level of respect since he doesn’t talk to insects. The true nature that highly matters is at the end of their lives as Joker (TDK) would say.

 

[GodSlayer666]

I am not sure saying that with One Piece applies to power system in Fairy Tail.

Just the interpretation of words. I'm saying that Zeref should just be more skilled than August and Irene, so i used Shanks fans example (despite them being wrong).

As MP reflects’ one’s stats, it is up to the individual themselves on how they utilize their abilities or other circumstances.

Tell this to Enchanted Neinhart who was one shotted by Natsu and has less physical feats than Brandish and to Larcade who was physcally inferior to Sting

I know, but I doubt that you can dodge something that is already physically touching you. Again he was weakened so his stats would likely be higher.

“the road to hell is paved with good intentions”, it is not about what came after the curse but before, how there are rules one what not to do. Same with Mavis in their world, deciding who lives or dies, you could have good intentions but there is a price to be exact or consequences, her existence lead to strife in the Dreyer bloodline. Unlike Acno though, he was not tormented by a curse and was a good guy who was hurt by dragons driving him to revenge, and power consumed him. And Acno even compared Zeref to be able to conquer the world the same as he, and he was surprised Natsu only lost an arm fighting Zeref so there is a level of respect since he doesn’t talk to insects. The true nature that highly matters is at the end of their lives as Joker (TDK) would say.

That's why Aldoron couldn't dodge, if it was just the God Seed he would most likely be able to dodge for example

Is still an exaggeration to say he is the worst and most evil man. And calling him the strongest with Acnologia exists is simply wrong.

 

[WoWfan]

Just the interpretation of words. I'm saying that Zeref should just be more skilled than August and Irene, so i used Shanks fans example (despite them being wrong).



Tell this to Enchanted Neinhart who was one shotted by Natsu and has less physical feats than Brandish and to Larcade who was physcally inferior to Sting



That's why Aldoron couldn't dodge, if it was just the God Seed he would most likely be able to dodge for example

Is still an exaggeration to say he is the worst and most evil man. And calling him the strongest with Acnologia exists is simply wrong.

I mean technically he is since he invented most of the Black Magics and Irene learned magic from him and August is born with special abilities. For Neinhart it was stated that his MP after enchanted overflows from him so his physical stats would not match, like how water overflows from a glass beyond capacity. Sting got stronger from two power ups and had team effort going for him. Sure yeah, which god seeds are like antibodies, but still power flux for Zeref who values life. I am not saying they are the same level “per se” but that Acno knows who to recognize is worthy as he talks to them. I don’t know, defiling corpses for his living magic experiments is pretty heinous.

 

[GodSlayer666]

I mean technically he is since he invented most of the Black Magics and Irene learned magic from him and August is born with special abilities. For Neinhart it was stated that his MP after enchanted overflows from him so his physical stats would not match, like how water overflows from a glass beyond capacity. Sting got stronger from two power ups and had team effort going for him. Sure yeah, which god seeds are like antibodies, but still power flux for Zeref who values life. I am not saying they are the same level “per se” but that Acno knows who to recognize is worthy as he talks to them. I don’t know, defiling corpses for his living magic experiments is pretty heinous.

Larcade was beaten due to team effort, bu it wasn't the team effort that made Sting physically overpower Larcade before his RIP, it was the dual DF

Beyond being a genius, the most skiled wizard and havinga pretty op hax, Zeref is immortal, there would be no point in Acnologia trying to kill him anyway, so it's not odd that he just listened to what Zeref had to say. Irene as one of Zeref best students, have a high magic power humans standards so he bothered himself to talk with her too. Defiling corpses is creepy but not the most evil thing someone can do, from what i know enslaving childs is far worse and Acno is a genocidal.

 

[Darklord#10]

What a fucking moronic argument. Imagine basing your entire argument because zeref lost to natsu or dragon force natsu is weak.
Well I don't blame you guys even though you are a moron, the author of the story is also a clown so it sticks.
If you want to know more about natsu's power you have to read the beginning of fairy tail. Mashima pretty much completed natsu's skill set during his fight with zero. What natsu used to beat zeref wasn't something new, he just got stronger than he was. It's like @GodSlayer666 forget that natsu has the ability to burn magic and transform his emotions into raw strength

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I genuinely believe some of you guys don't even read the manga. Dragon force is the peak of a dragon slayer power, dragon force can just keep evolving. It's why dragon slayers have limitless potential. They just keep getting stronger. I think this moron also forgets that natsu used dragon force against acnologia. But what do you expect from people who can't read properly

 

[WoWfan]

Larcade was beaten due to team effort, bu it wasn't the team effort that made Sting physically overpower Larcade before his RIP, it was the dual DF

Beyond being a genius, the most skiled wizard and havinga pretty op hax, Zeref is immortal, there would be no point in Acnologia trying to kill him anyway, so it's not odd that he just listened to what Zeref had to say. Irene as one of Zeref best students, have a high magic power humans standards so he bothered himself to talk with her too. Defiling corpses is creepy but not the most evil thing someone can do, from what i know enslaving childs is far worse and Acno is a genocidal.

DF which was achieved by Rogue’s shadows, and before that a boost from Larcade’s white magic. That would make sense if he didn’t constantly praise Zeref with being able to conquer the world same as him, surprised Natsu got off with only a lost arm and even praising Irene’s strength simply being trained by Zeref through applying that power, and going back to Zeref being scaled to the Phoenix destroying the world, for context the strength of a somewhat weakened DG could flip an ocean, a full power DG maybe stronger than that of the Phoenix. Zeref was genocidal too with the use of the Neo Eclipse which was going to kill everyone in the current reality.

 

[GodSlayer666]

Imagine basing your entire argument because zeref lost to natsu or dragon force natsu is weak.

And why i do think DF Natsu is weak? I'm not claiming DF Natsu is weak out of nowhere, but based on Selene vs Aldoron fight

And because not just Suzaku, but even Gray can beat a Dragon God

So my whole argument is based on Suzaku and Gray>Selene, Aldoron and Viernes>>Alvarez DF Natsu>Zeref. And we know that Human Dogramag>Suzaku so none of them are Acno tier. All this Natsu burning magic and DF potential being limitless is pointless if the DF used in Alvarez and Aldoron arc are restricted to this scaling.

And let's face it, in pre-timeskip DF Natsu was around Jellal and Laxus, i'm just proposing that dynamic didn't changed much till Labyrinth arc. (Ignia Flame DF Natsu may be a special exception)

I genuinely believe some of you guys don't even read the manga.

Just tell me how to ignore this ''Suzaku and Gray>Selene, Aldoron and Viernes>>Alvarez DF Natsu>Zeref''

For some reason, not believing in rumors is the same of can't read

dragon force can just keep evolving

Yes, but my point is that Alvarez and Aldorn arc Dragon Force is so powercliffed that current BASE Natsu is above them. Current Dragon Force may be as strong as previously thought because of that, i would say that an hypothetical Gold Owl DF can also be said to be above the cast as previously thought since Natsu could fight Suzaku without it an arc ago. But before Labyrinth, DF Natsu wasn't as strong as previously thought, current DF Natsu is, just that. For Natsu the change is not that big in practice, the one who suffers the most is Zeref, the rumor man

DF which was achieved by Rogue’s shadows, and before that a boost from Larcade’s white magic. That would make sense if he didn’t constantly praise Zeref with being able to conquer the world same as him, surprised Natsu got off with only a lost arm and even praising Irene’s strength simply being trained by Zeref through applying that power, and going back to Zeref being scaled to the Phoenix destroying the world, for context the strength of a somewhat weakened DG could flip an ocean, a full power DG maybe stronger than that of the Phoenix. Zeref was genocidal too with the use of the Neo Eclipse which was going to kill everyone in the current reality.

Sting was boosted and became physically superior to Larcade, but Larcade was still magically superior as he could beat him with RIP, that's my point. Zeref is immortal and actually have an army, no wonder that he could conquer the world. Zeref is a good teacher as he is very skilled in magic. Still think rumors about his strength may have influenced i this comparison and because of the potential of his hax. I have this as time reset rather than a genocide, but people didn't knew about his plans anyway

 

[WoWfan]

And why i do think DF Natsu is weak? I'm not claiming DF Natsu is weak out of nowhere, but based on Selene vs Aldoron fight

And because not just Suzaku, but even Gray can beat a Dragon God

So my whole argument is based on Suzaku and Gray>Selene, Aldoron and Viernes>>Alvarez DF Natsu>Zeref. And we know that Human Dogramag>Suzaku so none of them are Acno tier. All this Natsu burning magic and DF potential being limitless is pointless if the DF used in Alvarez and Aldoron arc are restricted to this scaling.

And let's face it, in pre-timeskip DF Natsu was around Jellal and Laxus, i'm just proposing that dynamic didn't changed much till Labyrinth arc. (Ignia Flame DF Natsu may be a special exception)



Just tell me how to ignore this ''Suzaku and Gray>Selene, Aldoron and Viernes>>Alvarez DF Natsu>Zeref''

For some reason, not believing in rumors is the same of can't read



Yes, but my point is that Alvarez and Aldorn arc Dragon Force is so powercliffed that current BASE Natsu is above them. Current Dragon Force may be as strong as previously thought because of that, i would say that an hypothetical Gold Owl DF can also be said to be above the cast as previously thought since Natsu could fight Suzaku without it an arc ago. But before Labyrinth, DF Natsu wasn't as strong as previously thought, current DF Natsu is, just that. For Natsu the change is not that big in practice, the one who suffers the most is Zeref, the rumor man



Sting was boosted and became physically superior to Larcade, but Larcade was still magically superior as he could beat him with RIP, that's my point. Zeref is immortal and actually have an army, no wonder that he could conquer the world. Zeref is a good teacher as he is very skilled in magic. Still think rumors about his strength may have influenced i this comparison and because of the potential of his hax. I have this as time reset rather than a genocide, but people didn't knew about his plans anyway

Magically based on a spell with specific conditions yes as none can’t really stop it unless they can’t sleep, Acno doesn’t Know that, how would he Since Zeref said he will kill humanity, magic makes one stronger which was appropriated by Irene. The way this Time Reset is described is complete destruction of the world to create a new one, it is likely to spare people of the horror. Well let us just agree to disagree on what is considered rumors then.