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[chess4]

Rocks doesn't get an uptick because he is on the Imu Steroids

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Also believe we will See Marco's fruit get picked up by Whitebeard

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Is Davy Jones from the same Era as Joyboy? Was he the blackbeard to Luffy's Nika power? Is the Yami Yami a god fruit as well? Makes sense there is another level if Haki, because a blast from Joyboy had Imu breathing heavy

Thia just reminds me that I just dont see a path for the Strawhats to get stronger without it not being an ***pull.

 

[Bradhimself]

Is Davy Jones from the same Era as Joyboy? Was he the blackbeard to Luffy's Nika power? Is the Yami Yami a god fruit as well? Makes sense there is another level if Haki, because a blast from Joyboy had Imu breathing heavy

Thia just reminds me that I just dont see a path for the Strawhats to get stronger without it not being an ***pull.

I'd say your assumptions are correct. Bb wanted the Yami Yami, he also doesn't do things for no reason. Given we don't have any previous user of that fruit spelled out for us leads us to believe that BB is following in Rocks' Path and attaining 1 of the 2 fruits that Rocks said he needed for his plan.

Then the logical question is, How did Rocks know about these fruits? We are assuming 1 of the fruits is Nika. Which Harald probably had in Elbaf that got stolen. So an important fruit that BB wanted likely had as much importance as the Nika fruit.

Likely the way to beat Imu is with these 2 fruits.

 

[ShadowHeart]

Rocks doesn't get an uptick because he is on the Imu Steroids

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Also believe we will See Marco's fruit get picked up by Whitebeard

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Is Davy Jones from the same Era as Joyboy? Was he the blackbeard to Luffy's Nika power? Is the Yami Yami a god fruit as well? Makes sense there is another level if Haki, because a blast from Joyboy had Imu breathing heavy

Thia just reminds me that I just dont see a path for the Strawhats to get stronger without it not being an ***pull.

Of course he is Joyboy was the 1st pirate and Davey Jones was a pirate. Pretty obvious Davey Jones DF was the Yami.

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I'd say your assumptions are correct. Bb wanted the Yami Yami, he also doesn't do things for no reason. Given we don't have any previous user of that fruit spelled out for us leads us to believe that BB is following in Rocks' Path and attaining 1 of the 2 fruits that Rocks said he needed for his plan.

Then the logical question is, How did Rocks know about these fruits? We are assuming 1 of the fruits is Nika. Which Harald probably had in Elbaf that got stolen. So an important fruit that BB wanted likely had as much importance as the Nika fruit.

Likely the way to beat Imu is with these 2 fruits.

Not really Joyboy and Davey Jones are stronger than Imu. He pulled a Blackbeard on them like he did with Whitebeard.

 

[Kuroiyaiba]

Someone on X joked about how the guy that kicked Silver Axe is named Polo and is Marco’s dad. Maybe the bad joke turns out to be true. I mean we all know by now that Oda is totally into silly jokes.

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Guess this one is about the Rocks Pirates splitting up after GV.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

Then the logical question is, How did Rocks know about these fruits? We are assuming 1 of the fruits is Nika. Which Harald probably had in Elbaf that got stolen. So an important fruit that BB wanted likely had as much importance as the Nika fruit.

I think that the true history (as told by Jones) has been carefully preserved and transmitted within the Davy D. Clan up to the point where the lineage has agreed to remain bonded together and hidden in non-affiliated WG country.

This is definitely related to the will of Davy D. Jones having to be transferred within the Davy bloodine - Imu and Eris clearly both indicated that the will of Davy would cease to be if the Davy bloodline ceases to exist. Please note this is complelety different from WB’s final words in Marineford when he said the will of D. could be passed down in generations even if their bloodlines cease to exist.

My guess is that will of Dawn is a project for the world that can be passed down to anyone that hears it (we had a hint with Sa D. Bo joke of Ace and Luffy) while the will of Davy is the claim for the kingdom of the world hence it can only be passed down within the "royal bloodline" of Davy as the legitimate bloodline for the crown kingdom as initially agreed 800y ago at end of Void Century war between Davy and 20 kingdoms.

 

[Imfamux]

I think that the true history (as told by Jones) has been carefully preserved and transmitted within the Davy D. Clan up to the point where the lineage has agreed to remain bonded together and hidden in non-affiliated WG country.

This is definitely related to the will of Davy D. Jones having to be transferred within the Davy bloodine - Imu and Eris clearly both indicated that the will of Davy would cease to be if the Davy bloodline ceases to exist. Please note this is complelety different from WB’s final words in Marineford when he said the will of D. could be passed down in generations even if their bloodlines cease to exist.

My guess is that will of Dawn is a project for the world that can be passed down to anyone that hears it (we had a hint with Sa D. Bo joke of Ace and Luffy) while the will of Davy is the claim for the kingdom of the world hence it can only be passed down within the "royal bloodline" of Davy as the legitimate bloodline for the crown kingdom as initially agreed 800y ago at end of Void Century war between Davy and 20 kingdoms.

"I agree with you about the will of D. (Dawn), however I believe that each D. family has a specific will in addition to the will of the Dawn clan - however, this was lost over the years, which is why Imu referred to them as empty shells!"

 

[Bradhimself]

Not really Joyboy and Davey Jones are stronger than Imu. He pulled a Blackbeard on them like he did with Whitebeard.

Lol, we have seen Joyboys haki subdue the gorosei and nothing of Davey Jones. But yeah sure dude they are stronger than the final villain, it's super obvious.

At least talk with a shred of doubt when speculating.

 

[Imfamux]

Rocks doesn't get an uptick because he is on the Imu Steroids

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Also believe we will See Marco's fruit get picked up by Whitebeard

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Is Davy Jones from the same Era as Joyboy? Was he the blackbeard to Luffy's Nika power? Is the Yami Yami a god fruit as well? Makes sense there is another level if Haki, because a blast from Joyboy had Imu breathing heavy

Thia just reminds me that I just dont see a path for the Strawhats to get stronger without it not being an ***pull.

"I do believe that Davy was a contemporary of Joy Boy - the possibility of them having been rivals is high - and looking closely at the similarity between the Yami and the Gomu, the possibility of the Yami being a legendary fruit gets stronger and stronger - but I don't think it's 'Nika God of Destruction'. I think the idea of two Nikas being two different fruits is very weak. The Warrior of Liberation will always be the Warrior of Destruction - that's what Luffy has been doing, destroying Kaidou, Enies Lobby, Dressrosa, Alabasta, Impel Down - and I even believe this will be Luffy's penultimate evolution, when his awakening releases black smoke and he becomes the destroyer - the final evolution is definitely him ingesting the Mother Flame!"

 

[Core D. Roy]

Why would Marco be involved with God Valley if he was only a 7 year old

at this point it'd be weird if there wasn't a future WB pirate there. Between Shanks, Shamrock, Kuma, Ginny, Ivankov, and Teach, it seems like every other major faction has a kid involved at God Valley.

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I think that the true history (as told by Jones) has been carefully preserved and transmitted within the Davy D. Clan up to the point where the lineage has agreed to remain bonded together and hidden in non-affiliated WG country.

This is definitely related to the will of Davy D. Jones having to be transferred within the Davy bloodine - Imu and Eris clearly both indicated that the will of Davy would cease to be if the Davy bloodline ceases to exist. Please note this is complelety different from WB’s final words in Marineford when he said the will of D. could be passed down in generations even if their bloodlines cease to exist.

My guess is that will of Dawn is a project for the world that can be passed down to anyone that hears it (we had a hint with Sa D. Bo joke of Ace and Luffy) while the will of Davy is the claim for the kingdom of the world hence it can only be passed down within the "royal bloodline" of Davy as the legitimate bloodline for the crown kingdom as initially agreed 800y ago at end of Void Century war between Davy and 20 kingdoms.

I really hope there's a concrete difference between a blood-inherited will like Davy's and the classical "inherited will" that is *explicitly* about not being bound by blood. It's weird thematically to have your cake and eat it too, but it's Oda so I assume he'll detail the differences at some point. Hopefully.

Like... what could actually be so special about Davy's blood that it had to be preserved or his will would also expire? That doesn't make any sense unless we have *another* instance of Royal Magic Special Blood in the series, which is also just... not what I want out of One Piece. At least with Momo and Shirahoshi they were established royalty so their arcs came packaged with that baggage. Teach? Blackbeard a secret True Special Boy King all along? Kinda fucks up his whole established vibe imo.

 

[Imfamux]

at this point it'd be weird if there wasn't a future WB pirate there. Between Shanks, Shamrock, Kuma, Ginny, Ivankov, and Teach, it seems like every other major faction has a kid involved at God Valley.

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I really hope there's a concrete difference between a blood-inherited will like Davy's and the classical "inherited will" that is *explicitly* about not being bound by blood. It's weird thematically to have your cake and eat it too, but it's Oda so I assume he'll detail the differences at some point. Hopefully.

Like... what could actually be so special about Davy's blood that it had to be preserved or his will would also expire? That doesn't make any sense unless we have *another* instance of Royal Magic Special Blood in the series, which is also just... not what I want out of One Piece. At least with Momo and Shirahoshi they were established royalty so their arcs came packaged with that baggage. Teach? Blackbeard a secret True Special Boy King all along? Kinda fucks up his whole established vibe imo.

"I don't think the Davys' blood is much more special, but rather that they were Buccaneers and that they knew the truth of the Void Century, and specifically the truth about Davy D. Jones.
I believe the World Government's need to wish for the extinction of the races actually follows the same logic as the Ponegliphs, which in turn follows the same logic as fire.
The simple fact that there are a few lit flames/sparks is a cause for concern because they can start a fire.
I believe Oda will add a mystical element to this too, a way for the inherited will to manifest in reality (I think Conqueror's Haki is the path), and that's why Conqueror's Haki users are special. I believe they are the only ones who can 'touch' this type of power, and maybe for someone to achieve this, they need to be conscious of the history and the wills that were left in history. This is why knowledge of the lost history is so dangerous."

 

[Trip_LLL]

at this point it'd be weird if there wasn't a future WB pirate there. Between Shanks, Shamrock, Kuma, Ginny, Ivankov, and Teach, it seems like every other major faction has a kid involved at God Valley.

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I really hope there's a concrete difference between a blood-inherited will like Davy's and the classical "inherited will" that is *explicitly* about not being bound by blood. It's weird thematically to have your cake and eat it too, but it's Oda so I assume he'll detail the differences at some point. Hopefully.

Like... what could actually be so special about Davy's blood that it had to be preserved or his will would also expire? That doesn't make any sense unless we have *another* instance of Royal Magic Special Blood in the series, which is also just... not what I want out of One Piece. At least with Momo and Shirahoshi they were established royalty so their arcs came packaged with that baggage. Teach? Blackbeard a secret True Special Boy King all along? Kinda fucks up his whole established vibe imo.

Regarding Blackbeard, if we roll him having a presitigious lineage within the D bearers to Whitebeard's statement about Blackbeard not being the one Roger is waiting for, we come back to the "right" D VS "wrong" D situation Whitebeard kicks off.
So, the right Ds are the ones that inherited the Will of D through mindset, and then you have the Davy Ds who have an agenda with aims that don't align with Rogers, and by extension, Joyboy. And that's why there would be a seperation of Davy and Joyboy when Rocks asks who Imu fears.
I think this contrast can work enough for Oda in the sense that it just further separates or distinguishes Blackbeard from the rest.

 

[meikiyou]

Maybe the elbaph mural stating that the two will meet, is talking about joyboy/nika meeting with davy d jones/yami. Which indicates ruffy and BB meeting while using their god powers while previous generations did not existed at the same time

 

[Sefirosu]

Somehow, based on last chapter, I think Xebec represents Davy (King of Ancient Kingdom), Garp represents the World Goverment aka the Kings Alliance, and Roger represents Joy Boy aka the First Pirate

 

[Kizaruuu]

You are way into that Marco was on God Valley stuff.. Since Redon has posted that hint I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out to be a cover request where Marco is depicted as Marco Polo

 

[Organizized]

You are way into that Marco was on God Valley stuff.. Since Redon has posted that hint I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out to be a cover request where Marco is depicted as Marco Polo

Or just anyone playing Marco Polo with some sea animals or sth, tbh.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

at this point it'd be weird if there wasn't a future WB pirate there. Between Shanks, Shamrock, Kuma, Ginny, Ivankov, and Teach, it seems like every other major faction has a kid involved at God Valley.

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I really hope there's a concrete difference between a blood-inherited will like Davy's and the classical "inherited will" that is *explicitly* about not being bound by blood. It's weird thematically to have your cake and eat it too, but it's Oda so I assume he'll detail the differences at some point. Hopefully.

Like... what could actually be so special about Davy's blood that it had to be preserved or his will would also expire? That doesn't make any sense unless we have *another* instance of Royal Magic Special Blood in the series, which is also just... not what I want out of One Piece. At least with Momo and Shirahoshi they were established royalty so their arcs came packaged with that baggage. Teach? Blackbeard a secret True Special Boy King all along? Kinda fucks up his whole established vibe imo.

It’s not uncommon in real world. Napoleon bloodline can pretend to the imperial throne of France. If you don’t have Napoleon bloodine you can’t have a Napoleon throne pretendant. Maybe the Davy D. clan even holds a legal treaty document signed by 20 kingdoms saying Davy D. Jones will be coronated in the new world order post-Void Century war. Getting the document and bloodline would be sufficient to have a legitimate story telling for the world.

 

[costicla]

REally? In what chapter, I don't remember

As Mike Strider said, chapter 1162, we see a guy that looks looks like Marco, at least from the back, fighting Silver Axe. Now if the hint is related to that guy, child Marco somehow on God Valley or some cover request with marco on it, we donțt know yet.

 

[wing_gundam]

at this point it'd be weird if there wasn't a future WB pirate there. Between Shanks, Shamrock, Kuma, Ginny, Ivankov, and Teach, it seems like every other major faction has a kid involved at God Valley.

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I really hope there's a concrete difference between a blood-inherited will like Davy's and the classical "inherited will" that is *explicitly* about not being bound by blood. It's weird thematically to have your cake and eat it too, but it's Oda so I assume he'll detail the differences at some point. Hopefully.

Like... what could actually be so special about Davy's blood that it had to be preserved or his will would also expire? That doesn't make any sense unless we have *another* instance of Royal Magic Special Blood in the series, which is also just... not what I want out of One Piece. At least with Momo and Shirahoshi they were established royalty so their arcs came packaged with that baggage. Teach? Blackbeard a secret True Special Boy King all along? Kinda fucks up his whole established vibe imo.

I mean WB was at GV. You could totally see it on his face though that this is where he established his idea of having a caring family pirate crew / being a benevolent dad. The interaction with Rocks and seeing the betrayal just says. it all.

As for the crew itself, Marco was what? 7? I suppose Kuma was only 9 though (but obviously able to tank big hits). Ivankov was 15. Of the known ages of the main commanders, Vista was 9, Jozu was 4.

Maybe it'll turn out that one of them was someone of the 500 that Kuma saved?



To play devils advocate, Teach trying to become a king though does make sense. I'm more okay with more special people than just one guy. Kinda gives the story more plot lines. But it definitely feels weird for him. But not if you think he's just taking anything and everything from the world because he thinks he deserves it.

 

[WILDCARD 1 7]

 

[Sefirosu]