Discussion Shiny Timeline

[arrowofsky]

>> Ascetics are worshipping around castle in an unidentified floor.

== Unknown time skip ==

>> Asa carries the island with castle to Floor 2 (F2).

== Unknown time skip ==

>> Leo wanders around and found Mago's flower, touches it and respawn elsewhere.
== Unknown time skip ==

>> Leo has some info on Phantaminium and Mago from an unidentified source.
== Unknown time skip ==

>> Mascheny co is investigating with the anomaly in F2, but can't approach.
>> Angels appear (Frozen timeline concept, too).
>> Urek Mazino enters.
>> Tests are conducted, Neo appears here.
>> Another ascetic was found around, then Chewing Gum also interfered with the tests.
>> Rahab - Chewing Gum - Urek clashes.
>> Mago Urek first clash. Leo appears, and also took General Test Supervisorship the next day.
>> Leo had a chat with Neo. Neo obviously remember Leo's ranker days and even some techniques and stuff.
>> A white moustache school manager type manager appears and teaches Leo some Schrödinger cat status.
>> While Mago awakens, the spatial reversal around island collapsed and Mascheny co infiltrates.
>> Mago reverses everything there and Suleiman dies, while the rest put on jail. Shine calls reinforcements.
>> Mago calls all ascetics immediately to kill and digest their despair.
>> A test to kill Mago. Jeanne d'Ar(k) also appears. LPB Evelyn, Neo, Gogojung shown to have selfish desires, too.
>> Urek first clash, he transformed back, then kills Leo for two chapters to later causally disintegrate by light.
>> Aubrion is shown.
>> Urek goes to flower, Eduan thunderclap his way to first castle, then via Neo's transportation, to Mago's place.
>> Aubrion comes Urek's side.

!!! Why did Phantaminium leave two flowers in TOG?

Some reason not contradicting himself (we are sure but we can't know)

!!! When Mago's flower was put in ToG,

1) For a long time,
2) After Phanta stormed Z castle,
3) During Asa carries the island)

!!! Who taught Leo about Phantaminium and Mago as queen?

Aubrion

!!! When Aubrion came and if his flower is in ToG too,

1)Similar to Mago, also Asa may lose his sanity to Aubrion,
2) No, he is scouting to ensure Phanta plan

!!! Any other flowers here?

No

!!! Missing angel

1) may be related to undermine Lou
2) Evelyn from future

!!! Missing school manager type person informing Leo

Random ranker

!!! Jeanne origin and Ark origin

Aubrion

!!! Is this before Phanta invasion or after it?

1) After
2) Before

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The one who informed Leo about the outside is meant to be Aubryon, that seems to be how Urek guessed it was him.

Mago and Aubryon could potentially have been in the tower for a long time before Urek considering Mago was originally on another floor.

 

[Demonspeed]

Unidentified source? That's Aubryon.

Mago was put after Phanta's discussion with Zahard and Yuri. Aubryon was of course released, perhaps unsealed from the very beginning before her and laid the groundwork for whatever he is planning.

Aubryon should have his flower and he is probably the reason why Jeanne is an Ascetic. He is also probably the one who made Asa lose sanity.

I don't think there are other Shinies.

The missing Angel might be Aubryon's mole. Anyway, she'll play her role. Probably an obstacle to Lou, who'll have Maschenny and co's support.

Missing schol manager? Who? Aren't you thinking about Mano?

 

[arrowofsky]

Unidentified source? That's Aubryon.

Mago was put after Phanta's discussion with Zahard and Yuri. Aubryon was of course released, perhaps unsealed from the very beginning before her and laid the groundwork for whatever he is planning.

Aubryon should have his flower and he is probably the reason why Jeanne is an Ascetic. He is also probably the one who made Asa lose sanity.

I don't think there are other Shinies.

The missing Angel might be Aubryon's mole. Anyway, she'll play her role. Probably an obstacle to Lou, who'll have Maschenny and co's support.

Missing schol manager? Who? Aren't you thinking about Mano?

I was talking about this man, what happened to him or if important. He seems to have the same outfit with Leo too, but probably he is not that important. Come to think of it @Demonspeed, that Chief might actually talk about Phantaminium with ten thousands of casualties including some HRs and "not interfering with him" orders from above. What do you think? Just at the beginning of this chapter 37:

Completing challenge ...

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By the way, I am updating the first post with your answers if you don't notice.

 

[Demonspeed]

I think it's just a random Ranker and the killer is from the Khuns as Cinera said.

 

[arrowofsky]

I think it's just a random Ranker and the killer is from the Khuns as Cinera said.

I am especially moved by "He is someone chosen by a divine beast" statement.

 

[Demonspeed]

I am especially moved by "He is someone chosen by a divine beast" statement.

I think it's a mistranslation. Definiely not translated this way by Shin. MTL often translates Shinsoo as Divine Beast.

 

[arrowofsky]

I think it's a mistranslation. Definiely not translated this way by Shin. MTL often translates Shinsoo as Divine Beast.

Yeah... he also said "Advanced ranker" in the previous slide, so it is not him.

 

[maverickframe_19]

When Mago's flower was put in ToG, (Options: 1) For a long time, 2) After Phanta stormed Z castle)

I think it was put when Asa carries the island there.

Who taught Leo about Phantaminium and Mago as queen? (Option: Aubrion)

I think it's him, yeah!

When Aubrion came and if his flower is in ToG too, (Option: Similar to Mago, also Asa may lose his sanity to Aubrion)

I don't think he has any flowers here. I believe he is a scout for Phanta, ensuring that his plan is carried out without interference.

Any other flowers here? (Options: No)

I guess no, because Phanta must have thought fucking hell two shiny ones were enough to take control of the tower, because shiny ones are, of course, one of the most powerful creatures in TUS.

Missing angel (Options: may be related to undermine Lou)

I'm guessing the angel is from the future. I'm not sure, but I believe it could be "the Evelyn theory" that some people had.

Is this before Phanta invasion or after it? (Option: After)

Definitely before. You already know my thoughts regarding this.

 

[Lonatian]

What concerns me is why Phanta would leave two shining ones (or possibly more) in the tower.

Especially since, from chapter 1, they say Phanta is so obsessed with the gems that he refuses to obey Darkness, his creator. He even attaches them to his body.

And now, his past contradicts his current actions.

 

[Demonspeed]

What concerns me is why Phanta would leave two shining ones (or possibly more) in the tower.

Especially since, from chapter 1, they say Phanta is so obsessed with the gems that he refuses to obey Darkness, his creator. He even attaches them to his body.

And now, his past contradicts his current actions.

How is it a contradiction? Phanta left Mago and Aubryon there for his unknown goals.

He refused to obey The Darkness, who ordered him to let them go.

 

[Lonatian]

How is it a contradiction? Phanta left Mago and Aubryon there for his unknown goals.

He refused to obey The Darkness, who ordered him to let them go.

From the beginning, he opposed Darkness and didn't let them go.
But he left them behind in the tower. For some incomprehensible purpose that you don't even know.
And you say it's not contradictory.

 

[Demonspeed]

From the beginning, he opposed Darkness and didn't let them go.
But he left them behind in the tower. For some incomprehensible purpose that you don't even know.
And you say it's not contradictory.

No it's not. Because you don't know what he wants.

Being ordered to do something =/= Doing something willfully.

 

[Lonatian]

No it's not. Because you don't know what he wants.

Being ordered to do something =/= Doing something willfully.

Just because you say you don't know his goal doesn't mean that's a valid reason to accept all the contradictions.
Why turn the Shining One into a jewel and then turn it back into a person?
=> unknown goal.

Why leave two Shining Ones in the tower?
=> unknown goal.

Why attack Zahard's palace but not kill him?
=> unknown goal.

Why want Mago to become the new Queen?
=> unknown goal.

And every time I ask why?
=> unknown goal.

 

[Demonspeed]

Just because you say you don't know his goal doesn't mean that's a valid reason to accept all the contradictions.
Why turn the Shining One into a jewel and then turn it back into a person?
=> unknown goal.

Why leave two Shining Ones in the tower?
=> unknown goal.

Why attack Zahard's palace but not kill him?
=> unknown goal.

Why want Mago to become the new Queen?
=> unknown goal.

And every time I ask why?
=> unknown goal.

Exactly, Phanta is a mystery, a riddle even .

Do you have the answers to these questions? No.

But he released them outside too. They fought and raised Urek for example. He didn't keep them sealed forever.

 

[Lonatian]

Exactly, Phanta is a mystery, a riddle even .

Do you have the answers to these questions? No.

But he released them outside too. They fought and raised Urek for example. He didn't keep them sealed forever.

That's what you call a contradiction.

Weren't many people surprised when Mago said she raised Urek instead of Miss Guide?

 

[Demonspeed]

That's what you call a contradiction.

Weren't many people surprised when Mago said she raised Urek instead of Miss Guide?

No, it's not.

What you are saying about Urek's childhood is also not a contradiction. We don't know what happened after she found him and she might have raised him for a certain period of time then died. What was said about Urek and the other Shinies is that they trained and taught him a lot of things. It's pretty likely that Mago killed her and other people he was close to IMO.

Lack of knowledge isn't enough to say that characters are contradicting themselves.

 

[Lonatian]

No, it's not.

What you are saying about Urek's childhood is also not a contradiction. We don't know what happened after she found him and she might have raised him for a certain period of time then died. What was said about Urek and the other Shinies is that they trained and taught him a lot of things. It's pretty likely that Mago killed her and other people he was close to IMO.

Lack of knowledge isn't enough to say that characters are contradicting themselves.

Instead of using "unknown goal," you change it to "lack of information."

And what does that have to do with me saying Phanta's actions are contradictory? They are indeed contradictory; I don't care what his reasons are.

Why did Zahard kill Baam? => unknown goal, but not contradictory.
Why did V commit suicide? => lack of information, but not contradictory.

"Unknown goal" and "lack of information" are just ways you don't want to contribute your opinion or don't want to think about it.
I remember you initially saying that Phanta left Mago here because he wanted to test Urek.

 

[Demonspeed]

Instead of using "unknown goal," you change it to "lack of information."

And what does that have to do with me saying Phanta's actions are contradictory? They are indeed contradictory; I don't care what his reasons are.

Why did Zahard kill Baam? => unknown goal, but not contradictory.
Why did V commit suicide? => lack of information, but not contradictory.

"Unknown goal" and "lack of information" are just ways you don't want to contribute your opinion or don't want to think about it.
I remember you initially saying that Phanta left Mago here because he wanted to test Urek.

His goal is unknown to us because we lack information...

They are not contradictory at all because... see above.

I still believe that Phanta left Mago there as a test for Urek. Even if he told her to become the queen, he is expecting Urek to defeat her.

 

[Lonatian]

His goal is unknown to us because we lack information...

They are not contradictory at all because... see above.

I still believe that Phanta left Mago there as a test for Urek. Even if he told her to become the queen, he is expecting Urek to defeat her.

Everyone has an "unknown goal", any situation is a "lack of information".
But SIU creates the first information that contradicts the situation he is creating now. That’s not to mention the possible problem that SIU will leave the problem there without explaining.

Instead of engaging in a productive discussion, don’t quote me with irrelevant phrases like “unknown goal” and “lack of information.”

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I don't need an answer like "I don't know".