Question Can Urek beat Admins?

[Shinwonryu]

Iirc headon never said anything like that when baam entered though. Great warriors were also nowhere close to urek when they entered as well.

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That is not how it works. How mago can be at 100% when the rest of the flowers are not broken and it is said verbatim she will only reach her prime once all of them are broken?

Second mago used a very small fraction of light powers which she got from urek. It was a small park of light powers. Great warriors have no chance against light powers at their fullest extent.

SIU clearly states in chapter 42 that Gems can’t activate their Shiny powers unless they steal Shiny light. While Mago was activated by Urek’s light, she did not for one second suspect that Neo didn’t take all of his light until it ran out. Meaning, if it was “strength” and not “energy” she stole from Urek she would have suspected Neo’s trick right away, because Urek’s light’s power-up would have not been enough to match what she would’ve expected. Remember, Mago has already stolen Urek’s light in the past before, so she would know. This is 100% canon if you just read the previous chapters. She literally says in chapter 43 that [Urek’s] light is infinite and it will constantly regenerate her Gem-Shiny powers.

So 1%cope Urek light = 100% Urek light = Mago’s “strength” we saw this past chapter.

If you want to say stamina is a part of power then sure, but the “strength” boost we saw from Urek’s light would have been the same had she taken a greater percentage. It’s pretty explicit.

As for the 100% Mago statement. It’s half-bait. She said Gems can’t reflect light, but she got Shiny energy, will she get the same in 100% Gem Mago? Or is Shiny-Gem Mago stronger?

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All eos Urek:Admin scaling is thrown out of whack until we know if he could or could not use his powers against Hell Joe without Baam’s thorn.

If he was capable of beating Admins (eos shouldn’t matter because he’s allegedly already the strongest) then he should have beat the 135th hostile admin already. At best he’ll be capable of “holding off” an admin eos. So just below admin tier.

 

[Demonspeed]

We had no idea about PoL before the spinoff, so it feels weird to comment on Enryu comfortably imo. He might also has something else than shinsoo.
What is actually concerning for me is by now Eduan clearly learnt PoL, Urek, and first-hand experienced it, but ranking bureau still puts Urek under Enryu. Urek is obviously more active, and PoL is seen by alive people even by now. If I am to make a guess, I would be more inclined towards Enryu than Urek, and of course not comfortably, like 60 % chance.

Whatever Enryu has, he is still far below Phanta and not a deity since he is a subordinate of the OG.

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If you think the OG is Phanta, Enryu is one of the six Shinies. If you think it's not Phanta, he is something equivalent to that. Still a servant at the end of the day, he could qualify as an Angel.

 

[arrowofsky]

Whatever Enryu has, he is still far below Phanta and not a deity since he is a subordinate of the OG.

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If you think the OG is Phanta, Enryu is one of the six Shinies. If you think it's not Phanta, he is something equivalent to that. Still a servant at the end of the day, he could qualify as an Angel.

I am so mural driven on this that I think OG is different than Phanta. I am not sure about equivalency, but angel word is quite devalued with Mago angels
I get the point as Enryu similar to other shinies so Urek should be stronger, but I don't see anything to support or refute that.

Darkness -> Phanta -> Shinies

Phanta + Six Shiny can disobey Darkness

Can OG be darkness? More unlikely than it being Phanta. Hence, I can't put OG in this power scale, so I am also unable to decide on Enryu's power. I am just looking at ranks and Enryu has my benefit of doubt for an edge to be stronger. No other evidence/proof.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

I am so mural driven on this that I think OG is different than Phanta. I am not sure about equivalency, but angel word is quite devalued with Mago angels
I get the point as Enryu similar to other shinies so Urek should be stronger, but I don't see anything to support or refute that.

Darkness -> Phanta -> Shinies

Phanta + Six Shiny can disobey Darkness

Can OG be darkness? More unlikely than it being Phanta. Hence, I can't put OG in this power scale, so I am also unable to decide on Enryu's power. I am just looking at ranks and Enryu has my benefit of doubt for an edge to be stronger. No other evidence/proof.

Enryu is a pure enigma for now. I am pretty sure the world the great warriors came from is different than the world of urek and phanta given eduan had no idea about shinning ones. Same would be the case for enryu and outside god. That being said I doubt enryu is an axis like phanta otherwise SIU would have mentioned in blog post.

Enryu is most likely urek equivalent of his world.

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Shinsoo is Jahad’s forte so it would be sad as hell if a shinsoo Urek who has no artifacts, weaponry, etc is stronger than Jahad lol. Jahad is not a favorite of mine or anything like that but SIU has to at least give him that ngl. Bam, Urek, and maybe Enryu should all be comparable EOS imo.

The thing is zahard already lost his top 1 status (not counting phanta or enryu as they are inactive) to urek once it was revealed that urek has light powers and even a small part of it was enough to push someone like eduan to high diff.

Even if we assume urek's shinsoo powers is half as zahards , if urek combines it with his light powers its over for zahard. And its debatable whether most of residents inside tower are even aware of urek's light powers so all his hype comes from urek only using his shinsoo powers.

I think potentially urek's shinsoo powers are stronger than zahards.

Though if it turns out that zahard with his shinsoo powers alone is comparable to urek with both his shinsoo + light powers then it would be something. It would mean zahard can neg most of FHs combined. But eduan's date version was able to match zahard's data version for some time so I doubt it.

I like zahard more than urek by the way.

 

[undefined]

I like zahard more than urek by the way.

One thing I like about the topics we've been discussing about lately is that I don't like Urek or Jahad, so I can freely speak what's on my mind regarding them without the thought of needing to push any type of agenda . I will say though I do wish that SIU didn't take this route tbh, I liked it when Jahad and Urek were comparable and the FHs weren't that far behind them.

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

I liked it when Jahad and Urek were comparable and the FHs weren't that far behind them.

Too bad Zahard is far superior

too bad indeed.

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Anyways, Enryu is probably a deity. Being a deity under a SUPREME deity isn’t literally unheard of. Being playing to many Japanese rpgs and God of war is literally like that.

Tho im happy Zahard is going to appear soon to put the fear of god into this wanna be gods.

 

[undefined]

Too bad Zahard is far superior

too bad indeed.

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Anyways, Enryu is probably a deity. Being a deity under a SUPREME deity isn’t literally unheard of. Being playing to many Japanese rpgs and God of war is literally like that.

Tho im happy Zahard is going to appear soon to put the fear of god into this wanna be gods.

I’ll be very surprised if Jahad’s still stronger. I’ve had the Jahad > Urek opinion until this spinoff came out. Like Urek’s now destined to fight the Phanta. His portrayal is just way too high now. I can confidently say that SIU is going to take the Urek > Jahad route. We can make a bet if you’re down Kenneth?

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

When I was reading TOG for most part I had zahard above urek given zahard could be the final villain of the series. But at the end of S3 urek was getting hyped as strongest human and what not despite zahard being extremely well known. So after S3 ended my opinion shifted with urek being a bit above zahard though both being on same level.

But then SIU introduced a completely new power system for urek and now we get to see how even a small part of the power is enough to give FH a high diff fight.

Zahard has no chance unless his shinsoo powers are >>>> Eduan's.

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

I’ll be very surprised if Jahad’s still stronger. I’ve had the Jahad > Urek opinion until this spinoff came out. Like Urek’s now destined to fight the Phanta. His portrayal is just way too high now. I can confidently say that SIU is going to take the Urek > Jahad route. We can make a bet if you’re down Kenneth?

Sorry my guy, he is getting no diffed by Phanta at full power or nerfed. And while it hasn’t happened, Urek himself got put in his place later down the line. Straight up was told “you’d lose”, and he walked out without saying a word.

Urek very likely has set a new path for himself. Literally what we have been hinted at from him in the main story. He is not following what was destined for him.

Urek and Zahard are going to be comparable at their best. Urek isn’t nerfed like how you think, you guys wank that shit to oblivion. And the Tower houses the strongest beings in all of existence. Those are all facts that you people will have to accept. Just like how you all have to accept there will be no bigger universe of comics than just Tower of God. This isn’t some Franchise with dozens of writers doing different things, it’s one man, with a story. Everything will be solved by the end of Tower of God.

so good day and don’t reply. Won’t be worth it.

 

[arrowofsky]

so good day and don’t reply. Won’t be worth it.

xD

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I’ll be very surprised if Jahad’s still stronger. I’ve had the Jahad > Urek opinion until this spinoff came out. Like Urek’s now destined to fight the Phanta. His portrayal is just way too high now. I can confidently say that SIU is going to take the Urek > Jahad route. We can make a bet if you’re down Kenneth?

I am in. If SIU goes Zahard > Route I win, otherwise you lose. Then, what is the deal of the bet? Pfp change or sth?

 

[undefined]

xD

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I am in. If SIU goes Zahard > Route I win, otherwise you lose. Then, what is the deal of the bet? Pfp change or sth?

Yeah we can do a Profile pick change. I mean I can’t think of anything else. Any other ideas you have in mind?

 

[arrowofsky]

Yeah we can do a Profile pick change. I mean I can’t think of anything else. Any other ideas you have in mind?

I am fine with pfp change. 3 days duration is ok, too.

 

[undefined]

I am fine with pfp change. 3 days duration is ok, too.

Let’s do 1 month ngl because it’s going to take a while for the result of this bet to come to fruition.

 

[arrowofsky]

Let’s do 1 month ngl because it’s going to take a while for the result of this bet to come to fruition.

No, it is decided already. You lost xD

Read my betting message carefully

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@Demonspeed I think now I rightfully earnt the title of "Luslec's apprentice" instead of Registered User xD

 

[undefined]

No, it is decided already. You lost xD

Read my betting message carefully

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@Demonspeed I think now I rightfully earnt the title of "Luslec's apprentice" instead of Registered User xD

You got me but who said I was going to honor the bet.

 

[arrowofsky]

You got me but who said I was going to honor the bet.

I got what I wanted already so np

 

[undefined]

I got what I wanted already so np

Arrow, I’ll still change my pick for 3 days like you originally suggested lol. Choose what I should change to.

 

[arrowofsky]

Arrow, I’ll still change my pick for 3 days like you originally suggested lol. Choose what I should change to.

 

[25thBaam_viole]

Urek with light is stronger than enryu, comfortably so. His nemesis is Phantaminum and if you have trouble believing Urek will ever beat him then I encourage you to read more battle shounen.

huh??? what's the logic.
Mate, Enryu didn't even need to use his outside power his Shinsu is damn powerful tht even the admin can't survive. Lol on the other hand When admin appear in front of Urek during the game he can't even do single damn thing about it. He can't even stop him.

 

[AbledCat]

huh??? what's the logic.
Mate, Enryu didn't even need to use his outside power his Shinsu is damn powerful tht even the admin can't survive. Lol on the other hand When admin appear in front of Urek during the game he can't even do single damn thing about it. He can't even stop him.

Who says Enryu has power outside shinsu? Bam has the power of the outside god enter him, does he use something apart from shinsu? No. Urek is only teased with fighting admins but doesn't do so, why? Answer is simple, he is stronger than them and SIU won't let him fight one to preserve the hype for Jahad, who SIU already confirmed is weaker than admins, he has never done so for Urek.