Discussion Traumerei counters the shiny beings

[VON]

Traumerei has a skill to manipulate darkness and shut off light inside the tower when it is already dark and suppressing the PoL.

His disconnections can kill Hunos, the concept of wind from outside the tower so he has the capability to kill Shiny better than Eduan can, different skillset that favors Traumerei more.

He can beat any Shiny inside the tower even if they’re at full power.

/end

 

[Ray Barracuda]

"Darkness"

Lulz, he and his Disconnection gets erased by the first Light beam.

 

[VON]

"Darkness"

Lulz, he and his Disconnection gets erased by the first Light beam.

Mago and Abrion?

nah, they can’t beat Traumerei. Their powers gets further suppressed and gets deleted.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Mago and Abrion?

nah, they can’t beat Traumerei. Their powers gets further suppressed and gets deleted.

Guess you've forgotten that Darkness doesn't suppress the Shining ones, they're part of it now as Urek stated Mago possesses a lot of Darkness herself.

The only person whom it affects is Urek.

Traumerei still gets deleted by the first Light beam by the way.

 

[VON]

Guess you've forgotten that Darkness doesn't suppress the Shining ones, they're part of it now as Urek stated Mago possesses a lot of Darkness herself.

The only person whom it affects is Urek.

Traumerei still gets deleted by the first Light beam by the way.

If you’re speaking of base form, they’re fodders for FH.

gem only shows their power when light reflects off them, so Traumerei further suppressing the artificial shinsoo light inside the tower will be another nerf slapped on them.

So that exact Mago before she got dusted would suffer more against Traumerei than against Eduan.

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this is like one example where matchup finally matters like SIU wanted to implement in

 

[Ray Barracuda]

If you’re speaking of base form, they’re fodders for FH.

gem only shows their power when light reflects off them, so Traumerei further suppressing the artificial shinsoo light inside the tower will be another nerf slapped on them.

So that exact Mago before she got dusted would suffer more against Traumerei than against Eduan.

Yeah, doesn't work that way.

Light removes the power of Darkness too if it shines, and I still do not know where Traumerei's power of Darkness comes from for Traumerei because the Darkness that temporarily suppressed Light was the very Tower itself working against Urek.

The Shinies once again do not have any problems with Darkness, they're corrupted and empowered by it's nature.

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Plus also, well it's basically home.

 

[VON]

Yeah, doesn't work that way.

Light removes the power of Darkness too if it shines, and I still do not know where Traumerei's power of Darkness comes from for Traumerei because the Darkness that temporarily suppressed Light was the very Tower itself working against Urek.

The Shinies once again do not have any problems with Darkness, they're corrupted and empowered by it's nature.

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Plus also, well it's basically home.

Shiny beings still operate using light powers, not darkness so yes, this does affect their power levels.

Traumerei made the shinsoo pitch black when he first appeared in the Nest.

 

[Strange]

Mago uses reversal and traumerei is dead meat


what counters LoL


Traumerei is strong but he isnt a disconnection itself so what counters LoL

the moment traumerei dares to attack mago that moment will be his demise

So many headcannons

plus no fh have any kind of darkness

they dont even know what a darkness is
clueless kids

 

[kkck]

Traumerei's disconnect seems pretty vulnerable to something like hope reversal. If it gets reversed it could prove fatal instantly. That said, shineuh could have a more interesting matchup against hope reversal.

 

[Strange]

Traumerei's disconnect seems pretty vulnerable to something like hope reversal. If it gets reversed it could prove fatal instantly. That said, shineuh could have a more interesting matchup against hope reversal.

Especially after we had seen that small cut killed traumerei hismelf

 

[Demonspeed]

Using Hunos who was a summon doesn't really work. Shinies are living beings. Aubryon lacks feats but should be even stronger than the Goth Mago we have seen since he is at full power.

Eduan has Marlin Gigante and God of Lightning Mode to deal with Reversal, Traumerei has nothing. Physically he is also inferior obviously. Eduan is one of the best at CQC.

 

[kkck]

Using Hunos who was a summon doesn't really work. Shinies are living beings. Aubryon lacks feats but should be even stronger than the Goth Mago we have seen since he is at full power.

Eduan has Marlin Gigante and God of Lightning Mode to deal with Reversal, Traumerei has nothing. Physically he is also inferior obviously. Eduan is one of the best at CQC.

With gustang.... it depends maybe? If the creatures he conjures have intends of their own then they could be a solid answer to hope reversal in that they at least wouldn't have attacks returning at gustang. I could also see mago's jewel box being vulnerable to gustang's writings.

Gustang: "mago's jewelry box contains all of zahard's farts. end. "

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Shiny beings still operate using light powers, not darkness so yes, this does affect their power levels.

Traumerei made the shinsoo pitch black when he first appeared in the Nest.

It.....doesn't, else they wouldn't be able to survive inside the Tower.

Traumerei turning the shinsoo pitch black is pointless, the color black isn't their weakness, this ain't a Green lantern situation with that joke of a comic where the color yellow was his weakness.

The Shinies aren't weakened by the Tower or affected by the Darkness of it, it's still only just Urek.

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And as I've pointed out, Light removes Darkness too if they just shine it even harder.

 

[Demonspeed]

With gustang.... it depends maybe? If the creatures he conjures have intends of their own then they could be a solid answer to hope reversal in that they at least wouldn't have attacks returning at gustang. I could also see mago's jewel box being vulnerable to gustang's writings.

Gustang: "mago's jewelry box contains all of zahard's farts. end. "

Eduan>Gustang>Traumerei in the MU IMO.

Theoretically, Gustang can do a lot with his writings. Theoretically...

He is still nowhere as good as Eduan in CQC.

 

[kkck]

To me a plausible scenario with traumerei would be something like:

traumerei: *fires a disconnect*
Mago: Hope reversal!
Traumerei: *loses arm* welp, won't be doing that again.
Traumerei:*unleashes all creature*
Mago: Hope reversal! *each individual creatures gets its attack sent back*
Mago: why is he unharmed!?
Traumerei: Simple, every creature I control has it's being, it's very free will, bent to whims. So nothing gets sent back at me. And while under my control the creatures can't die, they simply regenerate endlessly.
Mago: That's some nasty power, the fuck is this?
Traumerei: VALHALLA!
Mago: Hope re- AH! just looking at it is messing with my mind.

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Eduan>Gustang>Traumerei in the MU IMO.

Theoretically, Gustang can do a lot with his writings. Theoretically...

He is still nowhere as good as Eduan in CQC.

I actually traumerei a bit ahead of gustang overall (though I could see gustang having more tricks left for plot's sake). Anyways, I agree in that eduan is stronger than gustang or traumerei. But that doesn't mean different matchups can't make a difference. It's pretty clear that having some manner of answer to hope reversal is crucial to defeating mago.

 

[Demonspeed]

I agree that Traumerei is stronger than Gustang. I am just saying that Traumerei is the worst of the three in the MU because he has no mean to counter Reversal. At least you can argue that Gustang can create something like Marlin Gigante with his writings. GoL Eduan was pretty similar to Hunos.

 

[kkck]

I agree that Traumerei is stronger than Gustang. I am just saying that Traumerei is the worst of the three in the MU because he has no mean to counter Reversal. At least you can argue that Gustang can create something like Marlin Gigante with his writings. GoL Eduan was pretty similar to Hunos.

But... what about his shinuh? If hope reversal sends attack back at shineuh and not traumerei then traumerei should have ample ways to deal with mago. As them being damaged by hope reversal would be canceled as fast as they take the damage.

That's true about unus. You'd think it's a no brainer that gustang could summon other elemental avatars.

 

[Demonspeed]

But... what about his shinuh? If hope reversal sends attack back at shineuh and not traumerei then traumerei should have ample ways to deal with mago. As them being damaged by hope reversal would be canceled as fast as they take the damage.

That's true about unus. You'd think it's a no brainer that gustang could summon other elemental avatars.

His Shinheuhs all have intent. Even if Traumerei orders them to attack, his own intent can be reversed too. Attacks being sent back at Traumerei or the Shinheuhs don't matter much. Mago has her physical abilities and other attacks.

 

[kkck]

His Shinheuhs all have intent. Even if Traumerei orders them to attack, his own intent can be reversed too. Attacks being sent back at Traumerei or the Shinheuhs don't matter much. Mago has her physical abilities and other attacks.

How can it not matter? If attacks from shineuh are sent back at shineuh then hope reversal is a non issue as there's no limit to how much traumerie can heal them. if attacks get sent back at traumerei then he has to deal with that and mago's attacks. Hope reversal being effective means you are basically shut down during a fight.

 

[Demonspeed]

How can it not matter? If attacks from shineuh are sent back at shineuh then hope reversal is a non issue as there's no limit to how much traumerie can heal them. if attacks get sent back at traumerei then he has to deal with that and mago's attacks. Hope reversal being effective means you are basically shut down during a fight.

Because Traumerei's Shinheuhs can't injure her and they are pretty much useless against any opponent who is able to fight a FH. The Shinheuhs become useless and she can attack all she wants.