Chapter Tower of God Spin-Off: Urek Mazino Chapter 53 Spoilers & Discussion

Are the Snake Charmer from the main story and the Water Snake from this spin-off the same person?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 21 72.4%
  • No.

    Votes: 8 27.6%

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Lots of the lore concerning the family heads and their contracts is still wonky. In theory family heads simply shouldn't be able to kill each other or themselves at all. V supposedly was able to because he didn't have the immortality contract. Of course, everything we were told about V is now suspect. Traumerei killed himself after his family head contract was void. But even before that it was implied gustang could have killed him with the attack that combined unos, the staff and blossom's spark. It's also possible that their deaths was an options simply because admins sanctioned the conflict to begin with.
 

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The thing is that Enryu killing the Admin was used as a message to show that it was a weapon able to kill Zahard. Towerborns need to melt an Irregular in it to be able to use it as well.

If you don't need it to bypass contracts then why was Urek unable to use Shinsoo on the FoD while Baam could? Same for Gustang and Traumerei needing Admin's approval etc.
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Well, Zahard is mostly sleeping(?) and send three orders. Maaayyybe someone is taking decisions without his approval, maybe :).

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SIU: *Remembers the three lords*

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Lots of the lore concerning the family heads and their contracts is still wonky. In theory family heads simply shouldn't be able to kill each other or themselves at all. V supposedly was able to because he didn't have the immortality contract. Of course, everything we were told about V is now suspect. Traumerei killed himself after his family head contract was void. But even before that it was implied gustang could have killed him with the attack that combined unos, the staff and blossom's spark. It's also possible that their deaths was an options simply because admins sanctioned the conflict to begin with.
The Admin approved the game, that's why.
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Because Irregular's aren't the same nor with the same freedom to bend or ignore the rules as Enryu himself first hard proved to us from him coming in to do what he did.

The Family heads and Zahard are far less special on the Irregular chart if we compose one compared to an existence like Baam or Urek for example and even Urek has his own specialty and a way Shinsoo naturally works against him because of that said special nature.

And then again even the FOD is under very shaky grounds considering how easy it is to just retcon stuff or add new stuff from vague and very twistable terms and now Urek is supposed to really fight an Admin now later on so it ain't just jokes like the vibes his FOD version gave off.
I would rather not think of retcons at the moment. Especially for an arc like the FoD which was extremely important. Even if what you said is true, Urek not being able to use Shinsoo is still an issue there. He has PoL yes, but the Red Thryssa still stopped him from using Shinsoo.
 

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Well, Zahard is mostly sleeping(?) and send three orders. Maaayyybe someone is taking decisions without his approval, maybe :).

:catshrug
That much is obvious, he is still the one at the top of the hierarchy and ultimately responsible for his subordinates actions, especially when Zahard army is regarded as infallible atp with Zahard clervoyance being famous as well. And since the current operation started 150 years ago it's not like someone could consider it an unpredictable accident, criticizing the unnamed Princess for going rogue appealing to her sense of justice/loyalty to Zahard is ridiculous.
 

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With the way things have progressed the best case scenario is the 3 lords being heavily reworked while easily the most likely scenario is that they were scrapped. Zahard seems to be actively leading the kingdom for now so odds are that IF they are a thing (which as I said is unlikely) they would have taken a back seat. Jochun existing would be specially wild. A son of ari having a position that high in the current setting would be even more impressive than it was in blog posts.
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The Admin approved the game, that's why.
I don't recall the moment but I was under the impression an admin approved the chess match and eventually the game between branch heads for pieces. Where it gets wonky is them being able to kill each other prior to the chess match.
 

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I would rather not think of retcons at the moment. Especially for an arc like the FoD which was extremely important. Even if what you said is true, Urek not being able to use Shinsoo is still an issue there. He has PoL yes, but the Red Thryssa still stopped him from using Shinsoo.
I think I've mentioned it a bit on here that during that very same FOD there was a weird loophole moment that didn't make sense.

Hell Joe sensing and doubting his own authority over Shinsoo in concerns to Urek but didn't go anywhere in the end cause Hell Joe dismissed it as impossible.

Like I've said, the FOD can easily have stuff added to it in such a way cause of vague situations and statements like that for example.
 

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In theory family heads simply shouldn't be able to kill each other or themselves at all
That's such a dumb move if it didn't happen. Jahad knew the reason they won the war is because they were united. If they had put up a condition that FLs aren't allowed to kill each other as long as they have IC, no future conflicts would have arrived. Maybe SIU just wanted to bring out a loop hole

The fact they have promised not to hurt each other instead of kill each other should cement it they cannot kill each other. Or Maybe they never thought one would try to kill another. Remember even in 2 vs 11, no GW killed another GW even though V had no IC.
 

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I think I've mentioned it a bit on here that during that very same FOD there was a weird loophole moment that didn't make sense.

Hell Joe sensing and doubting his own authority over Shinsoo in concerns to Urek but didn't go anywhere in the end cause Hell Joe dismissed it as impossible.

Like I've said, the FOD can easily have stuff added to it in such a way cause of vague situations and statements like that for example.
"Whats going on!? He's different from before. He's in my territory yet he has such a powerful presence!!"
 

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Lots of the lore concerning the family heads and their contracts is still wonky. In theory family heads simply shouldn't be able to kill each other or themselves at all. V supposedly was able to because he didn't have the immortality contract. Of course, everything we were told about V is now suspect. Traumerei killed himself after his family head contract was void. But even before that it was implied gustang could have killed him with the attack that combined unos, the staff and blossom's spark. It's also possible that their deaths was an options simply because admins sanctioned the conflict to begin with.
Traumerei also killed Gustang once, in the same fight. Gustang's ressurection was due to the scale, not due to the admin contract.
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With the way things have progressed the best case scenario is the 3 lords being heavily reworked while easily the most likely scenario is that they were scrapped. Zahard seems to be actively leading the kingdom for now so odds are that IF they are a thing (which as I said is unlikely) they would have taken a back seat. Jochun existing would be specially wild. A son of ari having a position that high in the current setting would be even more impressive than it was in blog posts.
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I don't recall the moment but I was under the impression an admin approved the chess match and eventually the game between branch heads for pieces. Where it gets wonky is them being able to kill each other prior to the chess match.
The last news we heard about Zahard was that he locked himself into the trash can. We can't be sure If the Zahard sitting on the throne is actually Zahard or only a part of him. I mean, Flux was literally known for creating illusions in the blogposts.
 

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The Admin approved the game, that's why.
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I would rather not think of retcons at the moment. Especially for an arc like the FoD which was extremely important. Even if what you said is true, Urek not being able to use Shinsoo is still an issue there. He has PoL yes, but the Red Thryssa still stopped him from using Shinsoo.
Well that makes sense. A representative of an Axis power (administrator) should be able to stop someone from freely using that power. Even without using shinsu or light Urek was able to destroy said pseudo-admin with ease. Baam was only able to use shinsu due to having a tool that allowed him to bypass permissions.
 

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"Your eyes showed more brightly than any gem as you told me your dream."

"That light that sustained you?!"

These quotes are from Urek on the floor of death.
 

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Not everything needs to be a power scaling chapter.

I welcome chapters that are just character interactions. These people have lives outside of beating other people.
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Also, confirmation that Literally any irregular can bypass the immortality Contract given to the Great families and Zahard. So when Eduan was fighting Mago, he was actually mortal to her.
Dude we saw eduan get impaled in the neck by mago and recovered even his previous injuries disappeared that's not something mortal can do
 

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So Mago and the other Shinies are confirmed Irregulars...
yYou said it like you are surprised?
they aren't towerborn
they are outsiders , irregular is just a term used for anyone who isn't a born inside of the tower :hmm
 

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@Demonspeed
Was it ever confirmed if Zahard made an extra special immortality contract?
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Dude we saw eduan get impaled in the neck by mago and recovered even his previous injuries disappeared that's not something mortal can do
He turned into lighting, and was immune to damage in said form.

you can just chalk it up to him already being mid transformation when getting impaled.

if you want. I don’t care either way.
 

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Chapter 53 summary by Lightprayer, Part 2

-Urek is then walking around the town and sees Gogojung handing out flyers, saying to the residents they'll die if they stay here and to vote to leave the town. He calls the residents losers and they are about to throw hands, but Urek scares them away.
Urek says he told Gogojung to stay inside and asks what he thinks he's doing. Gogojung says he had to to something while his companions were in bed sick, and watching the citizens annoys him, because he feels his future self might become like them.
Urek tells him they are not citizens so they shouldn't interfere with the voting.
Gogojung leaves but says that if the voting results will be bad tomorrow, he's going to kick the citizens out no matter what Urek says, and tells Urek not to stop him then.
-Next day: Urek is called by Garam because the results of the voting have arrived.
The "stay" option won, 232 votes vs 157 leave votes. Enzo asks what Garam and Urek will do and they say they have no other way than using force now. However the mayor Enzo says only him and them currently know the results of the voting and he'll announce the results later today, saying the leave option won, manipulating the results.
Enzo says it's the best for everyone, since the town would eventually be destroyed anyway.
Urek says this is good and it's probably what the mayor was thinking since the start when he proposed the voting. While saying this, he however places his hand on Enzo's shoulder and places some light/powder on it. Urek leaves while saying the mayor is smart and the people's choice is not always the correct one.
-Enzo now left alone with Garam, tells her he wants to climb the tower with Garam after this. Garam says she'll think about it, while Urek watches them from outside the building.
-During the night, we can see Enzo leaving the building and walking off, with Urek watching him with Garam's sunshine fish powder radar (from last chapter) in his hand.

Chapter 53 summary by Lightprayer, Part 3

-Day after: Enzo announces the rigged results, 232 people voted for leave and 157 for stay.
People protest but Enzo tells them to accept the results, adding that this epidemic has probably been caused by the rulers above. He says that even if they don't leave this town, the rulers are eventually gonna shut it down anyway, with bloody methods and threats.
Enzo says he loves this town, so he has made a choice: he'll never forget this town, he'll go up the tower and come back here as a ranker and rebuild their sanctuary. He says that if people have the same dream they should follow him, and people start getting pumped up and cheering for him.
However, someone raises his hand. It's Baek Ryun, who says he has a question about the voting results, as they seem to have been rigged.
Baek accuses the mayor to have manipulated the votes.
Baek "It might be hard to believe, but the truth is I can hear the stories in the Shinsoo that fills this Tower.
The shinsoo around you, Mr. Mayor, is telling me something right now... it's saying you're a liar who only cares about himself and I should never trust you".
Enzo says this is crazy and he can't be accused without real proofs, then brings out the ballots and asks Baek to count them himself if he doesn't believe him.
Baek Ryun uses shinsoo and reveals the fingerprints on the ballots. He makes all the ballots float and shows all the fingerprints on the ballots are the same, the mayor's.
Urek is watching from a lighthouse and is surprised "What the heck is that guy...?"

END
 

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Lulz man, Baek fucking up Urek's groove being their first interaction is funny as heck.


Guess Urek's gonna go with a third option now.
 

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Lulz man, Baek fucking up Urek's groove being their first interaction is funny as heck.


Guess Urek's gonna go with a third option now.
I can tell Baek is gonna be like Khun on steroids.
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Also Urek is giving some light to that Mayor?
 

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@Demonspeed
Was it ever confirmed if Zahard made an extra special immortality contract?
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He turned into lighting, and was immune to damage in said form.

you can just chalk it up to him already being mid transformation when getting impaled.

if you want. I don’t care either way.
He has a King Contract but I don't remember if he has another one different from the FHs.
 
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