Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

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It's literally was stated that her power once paled in comparison to theirs today and they literally absorbed power for 400 years.
no way people using their gmg versions (who even there were levels above the others) to downplay their current versions which are levels above, it's like using ep 1 Natsu to downplay current Natsu.



Anyway even Wed negs any of the fodder 12
DGs got stronger overtime too and they outstrip that of Dog Dude who is responsible for all that power increase/decrease shenanigans in the first place. And the FT gang were not only weaker pre-timeskip too but were tired and wounded from their tournament, to me that is no excuse to not one shot them in Dragon form. Natsu’s power fluctuates with his emotions because PoE and FoE and even Hiro uses that as a way to determine PLs for him, Natsu does train as a way to handle his increase in power as MG determines Physical stats. Wed never fought against the DGs, Brandish assisted Lucy and they managed to harm one. And Irene managed to drive away Acno and react to his attacks. Wed could give Spriggans a fight at least but I do not see him being stronger significantly than any Spriggans
 
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Wed could give Spriggans a fight at least but I do not see him being stronger significantly than any Spriggans
Most of them are one shot material for Fairy Tail top tiers, they were significantly weaker than Alvarez Laxus, Jellal and Natsu, of course they are significantly weaker than Wed
 

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Most of them are one shot material for Fairy Tail top tiers, they were significantly weaker than Alvarez Laxus, Jellal and Natsu, of course they are significantly weaker than Wed
Going back to Goku’s point, FT were weaker back then and majority had circumstances that allowed them to win.
  • Like Laxus, he had trouble with the weakest Wahl, and as I said before, Laxus would not be able to not harm Wahl physically as he was beating him with no visible damage. He won due to Wahl panicking, using red lighting, and said lightning empowering him.
  • Jellal was going bloodlusted with his Grand Chariot, parting the atmosphere and calling down projectiles from distant stars as FTL speeds, that is one of the more impressive feats there.
  • Natsu needed help with his fights as well, not something he could do on his own, he managed to beat Jacob when he can’t fight back and when Natsu tried to go FDKM, Invel stopped him.
 

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Sure Lucy was in Taurus form, however, considering that is not her strongest Spirit she is using it from, I doubt it would play any major effort used in that attack, and considering she is capable of taking hits from Merc even in her Aquarius dress doesn’t put Taurus form in that same ballpark per say.

Yes, considering that there were showings of dragons damaged by conventional weapons such as swords and spears at the end of the Dragon King Festival.

That is the key right there, mid-fight where he was having an episode that made him all but useless, but before hand while unable to harm him with lightning, would still be able to harm him with physical attacks like he did with Ogra but Wahl no sold his physical strikes. He won with Red Lightning after curing himself and was amped by the damage done to him.
  • Now this is to take into account a what if scenario, say Ichiya didn’t show up and it was Laxus that arrived against the Proxy, he would likely have won with Red Lightning, however it would give Wahl the knowledge to prepare for Laxus if they fought again for real with his adaptation.

Not saying Laxus isn’t powerful, it is a matter of taking into account where Irene and August and “maybe” Larcade are compared to Brandish’s aid against a DG.
Taurus isn't Lucy's most powerful form, but it grants her the greatest amount of physical strength. And it clearly made a difference, as Brandish was overjoyed to see Lucy using this form.

Therefore, producing the necessary physical strength to control Mercphobia's body required the combined power of Lucy and Brandish. Most of the damage inflicted on him resulted from his body being struck by the immense lacrima filled with Dragon Slayer magic, which, incidentally, contained Mercphobia's magical power; destroying it weakened him.

Your argument about Laxus isn't as relevant because the character's main power is his magic; physical attributes are secondary. The fact that Laxus relies solely on physical attributes and is ill during his fight against Wahl demonstrates the immense power difference between the two characters.

Minimizing this goes against the manga's narrative, since Laxus, with his magic, almost seriously injured Ajeel, requiring August's intervention.

I think you're disregarding the "giant Lacrima with immense magical power" factor. Without the context in which Brandish and Lucy were involved, any Dragon God would be easily defeating Irene and August.

But I agree that, under those circumstances, those two Spriggans would certainly handle Mercphobia, since the lacrima was exposed, an obvious and exploitable weakness.

I think Irene and August are still relevant in terms of power, but I believe Laxus has already surpassed them.

Gildarts is still the strongest Guildmember bar Natsu.That will never change and GS is~Gildarts hence above Erza/Laxus.And August/Irene are stronger as Gildarts as per canon


Yes but Timestop still fuck up both


Gratzs for extreme-diffing the weakest SP12 as per Hiro words
August = Irene > Larcade, Dimaria, God Serena (it’s unclear if these are in any particular order) ~ and at the bottom of the list is Wahl
The argument about Gildarts is irrelevant for two reasons:

1 - Gildarts currently has no feats to give us a basis for his power progression;

2 - It's irrelevant whether he progressed or not, since the God Serena power comparison only extends to the power level Gildarts demonstrated in Alvarez. Any evolution of Gildarts after Alvarez only means that he is far superior to God Serena.

Yes, I know Wahl is the weakest among the Spriggans, but Laxus demonstrated at the beginning of the Alvarez arc that he could easily handle Ajeel, requiring August's intervention to rescue the sand mage.

So Laxus from the Alvarez arc is comfortably above most of the Spriggans.

When we compare the 100YQ villains with spriggans we always have to point which spriggans. Mashima is indeed avoiding powercreep, is not an absolute rule but we have to check who is under this rule. Most spriggans are garbage, the 100YQ villains who cant' surpass them are just trashier. When we talk about the basic spriggan level, will Calamity Bloods surpass them ? I guess that the answer is yes, above regular spriggan level seems to be a safe take taking into account that they are endgame villains and stronger versions of the eclipse dragons.

The real comparison is with the Gildarts, BDSK, God Serena level. Don't think the stone dragon will surpass this level for example. Not every calamity has to reach this level. In basically every group the power level of the members varies a lot, the stronger members probably will reach that level, maybe even surpass it, but couldn't say if most members or just few. The safest guess to reach or surpass that level as of now is Motherglare.

Now about August and Irene level. I have an opinion about Irene matchup with people with dragon powers, but this exact power level seems harder to reach and i wouldn't put my hand on fire for any of the calamities to reach this level even if i think that Motherglare can beat Irene via matchup.
In defense of Lucy's power level, I think being defeated by Lucy, Wendy, and Mercphobia (a dragon) is much better than being defeated by Gray and Juvia, who don't even possess Dragon Slayer magic. In fact, being countered by Juvia is regrettable, considering she was exalting Aquarius (an outdated spirit in power, since Lucy was much weaker in the past) from 300 arcs ago in her fight against Gate.

Earth Build, compared to his dragon companions, benefits from being defeated by the girls, as it will require a Dragon God amplified by Wendy's enchantments and Lucy's power to be defeated.

Better than that would only be defeat by Erza or Laxus.
 

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DGs got stronger overtime too and they outstrip that of Dog Dude who is responsible for all that power increase/decrease shenanigans in the first place. And the FT gang were not only weaker pre-timeskip too but were tired and wounded from their tournament, to me that is no excuse to not one shot them in Dragon form. Natsu’s power fluctuates with his emotions because PoE and FoE and even Hiro uses that as a way to determine PLs for him, Natsu does train as a way to handle his increase in power as MG determines Physical stats. Wed never fought against the DGs, Brandish assisted Lucy and they managed to harm one. And Irene managed to drive away Acno and react to his attacks. Wed could give Spriggans a fight at least but I do not see him being stronger significantly than any Spriggans
I don't care what you think about Wed lol. Imo he negs any of them.
anyway my point was that the current versions of them>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the gmg versions of them in case you didn't got it, So I don't care how much you downplay their versions in gmg but it's poinless to bring it to downplay their current level
 

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In defense of Lucy's power level, I think being defeated by Lucy, Wendy, and Mercphobia (a dragon) is much better than being defeated by Gray and Juvia, who don't even possess Dragon Slayer magic. In fact, being countered by Juvia is regrettable, considering she was exalting Aquarius (an outdated spirit in power, since Lucy was much weaker in the past) from 300 arcs ago in her fight against Gate.
Not betting on Anchor as being one of the stronger dragons anymore precisely because of this matchup, but i'm assuming Merc won't appear against the stone dragon, just against Ignia, that's my bet
 

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Not betting on Anchor as being one of the stronger dragons anymore precisely because of this matchup, but i'm assuming Merc won't appear against the stone dragon, just against Ignia, that's my bet
Honestly, if Gray doesn't have high-level allies, I think Anchor won't be in a good position, since Mashima can exploit Juvia, neutralizing most of his attacks.

If that's not well executed, his representation won't be the best among the dragons.

I think only Motherglare and Laxus's opponent will be safe in terms of representation, since they can rely on Erza and Laxus's power levels.

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Oh, I forgot one thing.

Wendy visualized Irene's dragon form and helped Erza in the battle. Perhaps she'll make a comparison between Irene and Earth Build in terms of power in the future; it's possible.
 

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Taurus isn't Lucy's most powerful form, but it grants her the greatest amount of physical strength. And it clearly made a difference, as Brandish was overjoyed to see Lucy using this form.

Therefore, producing the necessary physical strength to control Mercphobia's body required the combined power of Lucy and Brandish. Most of the damage inflicted on him resulted from his body being struck by the immense lacrima filled with Dragon Slayer magic, which, incidentally, contained Mercphobia's magical power; destroying it weakened him.

Your argument about Laxus isn't as relevant because the character's main power is his magic; physical attributes are secondary. The fact that Laxus relies solely on physical attributes and is ill during his fight against Wahl demonstrates the immense power difference between the two characters.

Minimizing this goes against the manga's narrative, since Laxus, with his magic, almost seriously injured Ajeel, requiring August's intervention.

I think you're disregarding the "giant Lacrima with immense magical power" factor. Without the context in which Brandish and Lucy were involved, any Dragon God would be easily defeating Irene and August.

But I agree that, under those circumstances, those two Spriggans would certainly handle Mercphobia, since the lacrima was exposed, an obvious and exploitable weakness.

I think Irene and August are still relevant in terms of power, but I believe Laxus has already surpassed them.



The argument about Gildarts is irrelevant for two reasons:

1 - Gildarts currently has no feats to give us a basis for his power progression;

2 - It's irrelevant whether he progressed or not, since the God Serena power comparison only extends to the power level Gildarts demonstrated in Alvarez. Any evolution of Gildarts after Alvarez only means that he is far superior to God Serena.

Yes, I know Wahl is the weakest among the Spriggans, but Laxus demonstrated at the beginning of the Alvarez arc that he could easily handle Ajeel, requiring August's intervention to rescue the sand mage.

So Laxus from the Alvarez arc is comfortably above most of the Spriggans.



In defense of Lucy's power level, I think being defeated by Lucy, Wendy, and Mercphobia (a dragon) is much better than being defeated by Gray and Juvia, who don't even possess Dragon Slayer magic. In fact, being countered by Juvia is regrettable, considering she was exalting Aquarius (an outdated spirit in power, since Lucy was much weaker in the past) from 300 arcs ago in her fight against Gate.

Earth Build, compared to his dragon companions, benefits from being defeated by the girls, as it will require a Dragon God amplified by Wendy's enchantments and Lucy's power to be defeated.

Better than that would only be defeat by Erza or Laxus.
Yes Taurus is known for his strength, however, when comparing the official stats from the manga volume between Taurus and Aquarius, the latter surpasses the former in all stat categories. You could say that her strength with Aquarius would come from her water attacks but that would be useless against Merc with his Water DSM. And considering he size change did overpower Merc’s jaw with her Aquarius form wouldn’t be the issue. As for the Lacrima, since it gave him his Water Dragon Slayer Magic, it would be ineffective against him since slayers can’t be damaged by their own elements. Physical stats are not secondary as throughout the series the person’s physical body must be strong enough to handle their own MP, Ultear, Wendy, etc.. Again, Laxus stated that illness is only a factor when he has an episode and Wahl confirms this. We would not be so sure since the Lightning didn’t make contact, and Ajeel seemed to have recovered fine and isn’t freaking out like Flare was who was almost done in by Lucy’s UM spell. If the DG would go all out in DF maybe, could beat them, and that Lacrima would be inconsequential to damaging a DG since they contain the same element.
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I don't care what you think about Wed lol. Imo he negs any of them.
anyway my point was that the current versions of them>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the gmg versions of them in case you didn't got it, So I don't care how much you downplay their versions in gmg but it's poinless to bring it to downplay their current level
I got it, same with the FT case back then even more so with their conditions back then. That is my point. I just don’t see how We’d stacks without much showings, But to each their own.
 

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It doesn't make sense that x792 characters literally are around the same power level as the current setting of the manga. The main cast and other characters improved their previous spells from x792 and learned much stronger spells. Max , laxus, Wendy, Lucy, natsu, Erza all improved their x792 version. So how they can remain exactly the same power level? Also most of the spriggan twelve fans used to believe that larcade was weaker than dimaria and god serena up until mashima gave s12 ranking and they changed positions. Wahl used to be very high on s12 ranking. Infact @Steven use to mock larcade and sting and call them jokes. If you've read this manga you'll know that mashima has never made sting look like a joke except when he fought natsu, sting has always been a strong character but y'all made fun of him losing to sting, why don't you reevaluate sting currently since he beat number 3 spriggan he easily squad wipes the remaining 9

Mashima has shown us that Lucy is very much comparable to brandish wether you think brandish is stronger is irrelevant. Lucy was a joke to her in x792 but x793 Lucy is s12 level. Jellal beat god serena and jellal was already s12 level during Alvarez war same thing with natsu Erza and laxus. Of course August and Irene is another different thing entirely but even they aren't invincible as people think. Current Erza isn't losing to August or Eileen neither is laxus.

Gajeel losing to a calamity blood doesn't mean he's weaker it means he got stronger. The characters just don't stay stagnant they improve their shit. It's like saying revived zero is the same as zero from OG ft
 
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If Gejeel does fight a CB things like Gejeel getting a power up and going dragon force could happen as well
 

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Both Laxus and Erza are below August/Irene/Dimaria and GS
I remember this clown believing that jellal is weaker than laxus and Erza. What happened? How is Erza and laxus weaker than jellal if jellal is stronger than Serena? Is WSD sting also stronger than jellal Erza laxus and gildarts. You power scaling is so terrible no wonder you bounce around like a ball. Nobody notices except me
 

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Going back to Goku’s point, FT were weaker back then and majority had circumstances that allowed them to win.
  • Like Laxus, he had trouble with the weakest Wahl, and as I said before, Laxus would not be able to not harm Wahl physically as he was beating him with no visible damage. He won due to Wahl panicking, using red lighting, and said lightning empowering him.
  • Jellal was going bloodlusted with his Grand Chariot, parting the atmosphere and calling down projectiles from distant stars as FTL speeds, that is one of the more impressive feats there.
  • Natsu needed help with his fights as well, not something he could do on his own, he managed to beat Jacob when he can’t fight back and when Natsu tried to go FDKM, Invel stopped him.
Wall had lightning immunity against a sick Laxus and still managed to lose. The moment Laxus bypassed the immunity he was one shotted. Ajeel would be one shotted and no spriggan wank will change August opinion on that.

Beyond being one shotted by the GC, Neinhart was shitting on his pants because of this GC

He had no help against Enchanted Neinhart and was holding back against Jacob to not damage the guild.
 

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Not betting on Anchor as being one of the stronger dragons anymore precisely because of this matchup, but i'm assuming Merc won't appear against the stone dragon, just against Ignia, that's my bet
If the matchups won't change,then I believe Merc should be summoned against Ignia. Natsu and Lucy are together and Ignia will be the final boss for sure.

I just hope we get all the matchups atleast so that I can work on my headcannons.lol. We still have the remaining members of Team B,OS and Diabolos in the continent. IDK if Jellal and Saber are still in the continent. Considering the continental size of Aldrons spell,they should be involved if they didn't leave yet.
 

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Wall had lightning immunity against a sick Laxus and still managed to lose. The moment Laxus bypassed the immunity he was one shotted. Ajeel would be one shotted and no spriggan wank will change August opinion on that.

Beyond being one shotted by the GC, Neinhart was shitting on his pants because of this GC

He had no help against Enchanted Neinhart and was holding back against Jacob to not damage the guild.
Lightning immunity =/= physical blows immunity which Slayers are not immune to as Orga and Natsu have shown, that was red lightning which amplifies his power with the damage he receive. Considering that Erza is close to Laxus level and she couldn’t one shot Ajeel would beg to differ.

Considering the amount of power that Jellal was emitting with this spell and that he was able to react to a non-serious Acno would make Jellal stronger than what he appears to.

Enchanted Neinhart had no physical amplification, just magic power which was just spilling out of him, Natsu wasn’t holding back outside which Jacob wasn’t able to defend himself, just like with Invel and he countered him hard.

Again, all circumstantial.
 

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I just hope we get all the matchups atleast so that I can work on my headcannons.lol. We still have the remaining members of Team B,OS and Diabolos in the continent. IDK if Jellal and Saber are still in the continent. Considering the continental size of Aldrons spell,they should be involved if they didn't leave yet.
The matchup distribution was egregious. I prefer a Diabolos member against Anchor than this Gray and Juvia matchup, but even against the remaining calamities the chances are low. Oracion Seis already had their chance but it seems they opponents were stolen for nothing. From Team B only Gajeel deserves a fight, actually he should have fought Viernes instead of Gray and shouldn't have stolen Zero from Midnight. There were villains enough for a fair matchup distribution, even Diabolos could have been used but Mashima messed up.


Lightning immunity =/= physical blows immunity which Slayers are not immune to as Orga and Natsu have shown, that was red lightning which amplifies his power with the damage he receive. Considering that Erza is close to Laxus level and she couldn’t one shot Ajeel would beg to differ.
Oh my, he can change blows with a Laxus without lightning, someone give Wahl a award :umad And Alvarez Erza wasn't close to Laxus, she was fodder to him, she couldn't even use a single enchantment alone, Mashima increased her power level in 100YQ

Considering the amount of power that Jellal was emitting with this spell and that he was able to react to a non-serious Acno would make Jellal stronger than what he appears to.
Even Zeref put him at same ballpark of Laxus, a Fairy Tail top tier, when Gray appeared to challenge him, and coincidentally he one shotted a spriggan.

Enchanted Neinhart had no physical amplification, just magic power which was just spilling out of him, Natsu wasn’t holding back outside which Jacob wasn’t able to defend himself, just like with Invel and he countered him hard.

Again, all circumstantial.
Still one shotted while boosted, a weakned historia Serena fared better against Gildarts. And he one shotted Jacob outside of the guild. Natsu broke free from Invel freeze later, but even Brandish was able of affecting him despite having lower magic power than Enchanted Neinhart, Natsu power level varied a lot in Alvarez, but at peak he was a spriggan victimizer.

The Laxus fight circumstances were all against him except Wall stupidity. Jellal fight circumstances also were mostly against him, he had to protect Kagura and deal with his guilty about Simon that Neinhart used against him. Natsu holding back against Jacob inside the guild favored Jacob. There was no circumstance at all against Enchanted Neinhart
 

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Hay if Natsu can hurt himself physically, then Laxus could too, and the fact that Wahl is undamaged is an achievement. Erza could hold her own with Irene which Laxus struggled with Wahl who is the weakest Spriggan. I don’t recall Zeref ever mentioning Jellal. There were no Spriggans by Zeref at the time of Gray confronting the latter. Boosted with no physical equivalent augment to his magic boost. Gildarts struggling against historia GS only shows Laxus would struggle regardless against any other Spriggan despite their ranking they are repeatedly stated to be relative to each other. Which is why Brandish could beat Natsu because his magic power is weaker which his physical stats match. As Porlyusica stated, his varying power and heat can affect his body negatively. That doesn’t discount Natsu and his flames being frozen for a significant amount of time. No, again, the only constant in that fight that was against him is the lightning immunity, his illness doesn’t affect his fighting power until he has an episode. Jellal was downed by Neinhart’s attack fair and square, and considering he was massively weakened before to defend Natsu from a powerful attack and was conscious is no excuse, sure there is psychological factor the second half but that was when he was bloodlusted. And the fact Jacob could not fight back when he went flying which worked in Natsu’s favor, otherwise he would not be so lucky. Yes there was, the enchantment didn’t increase his physical stats to handle his overflowing magic.
 

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Hay if Natsu can hurt himself physically, then Laxus could too, and the fact that Wahl is undamaged is an achievement. Erza could hold her own with Irene which Laxus struggled with Wahl who is the weakest Spriggan. I don’t recall Zeref ever mentioning Jellal. There were no Spriggans by Zeref at the time of Gray confronting the latter. Boosted with no physical equivalent augment to his magic boost. Gildarts struggling against historia GS only shows Laxus would struggle regardless against any other Spriggan despite their ranking they are repeatedly stated to be relative to each other. Which is why Brandish could beat Natsu because his magic power is weaker which his physical stats match. As Porlyusica stated, his varying power and heat can affect his body negatively. That doesn’t discount Natsu and his flames being frozen for a significant amount of time. No, again, the only constant in that fight that was against him is the lightning immunity, his illness doesn’t affect his fighting power until he has an episode. Jellal was downed by Neinhart’s attack fair and square, and considering he was massively weakened before to defend Natsu from a powerful attack and was conscious is no excuse, sure there is psychological factor the second half but that was when he was bloodlusted. And the fact Jacob could not fight back when he went flying which worked in Natsu’s favor, otherwise he would not be so lucky. Yes there was, the enchantment didn’t increase his physical stats to handle his overflowing magic.
If Wall was so undamaged why he considered a sick man a threat to his base form ?


The fight was an anti-feat for Irene if anything, but Erza received Wendy help many times in the fight which includes countering Irene enchantments and boosting Erza stats. Wall made a Laxus with cancer and without magic struggle and called it a day.


You are insisting too much on a lack of physical boost when there is no statement about that. Gildarts struggling with God Serena historia specifically shows that God Serena is stronger than others, historia Wall and Bloodman were struggling with just Minerva and Rogue, Rogue even struggled with the alchemy dolls later. Brandish affected an offguard Natsu whose power level varies a lot. The Base Gray who couldn't even beat Ur alone resisted the freeze just because of magic resistence, Natsu took time but broke free from the freeze and he is much stronger than the Ur, in the end being frozen or not shouldn't be relevant as long as you can broke free from it.



Even Wall is shocked that he is still alive, his fight performance should have been affected. Fair and square ? If it wasn't for Kagura he would never have landed that hit, if it was a strong and consistent shot he would have used it again while Jellal was charging the GC instead of shitting his pants and using Simon to take advantage of Jellal's guilty, Jellal only got unconscious this time because he fell in the water and drowned. He wouldn't be lucky, he would just one shot Jacob because he and most spriggans are one shot materials, you indeed don't need lucky, Jacob was even physically relative to just Alvarez Mira
 

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If Wall was so undamaged why he considered a sick man a threat to his base form ?


The fight was an anti-feat for Irene if anything, but Erza received Wendy help many times in the fight which includes countering Irene enchantments and boosting Erza stats. Wall made a Laxus with cancer and without magic struggle and called it a day.


You are insisting too much on a lack of physical boost when there is no statement about that. Gildarts struggling with God Serena historia specifically shows that God Serena is stronger than others, historia Wall and Bloodman were struggling with just Minerva and Rogue, Rogue even struggled with the alchemy dolls later. Brandish affected an offguard Natsu whose power level varies a lot. The Base Gray who couldn't even beat Ur alone resisted the freeze just because of magic resistence, Natsu took time but broke free from the freeze and he is much stronger than the Ur, in the end being frozen or not shouldn't be relevant as long as you can broke free from it.



Even Wall is shocked that he is still alive, his fight performance should have been affected. Fair and square ? If it wasn't for Kagura he would never have landed that hit, if it was a strong and consistent shot he would have used it again while Jellal was charging the GC instead of shitting his pants and using Simon to take advantage of Jellal's guilty, Jellal only got unconscious this time because he fell in the water and drowned. He wouldn't be lucky, he would just one shot Jacob because he and most spriggans are one shot materials, you indeed don't need lucky, Jacob was even physically relative to just Alvarez Mira
Wahl simply said that Laxus still operates at the top of his Guild. Not Really, kind of like with August, Jellal could take hits from a non-serious August, Erza could take hits from a non-serious Irene. Wendy did help but usually to provide defenses. Laxus did not have cancer, he was only hampered when he has the episodes per his own words. Ah, that, my error, but that panel does not prove they are in the same class, otherwise, why didn’t he say Gildarts? Of course there is no statement of physical boost as it was just magical boost which states to be flowing out of him, meaning he can’t contain it all. On the contrary, Dimaria is stated by Hiro to be stronger than he is, more than Gildarts was obviously. Natsu was not off guard at all as he was prepared to fight per his own words. Ur was considered Wizard Saint level, plus he had to fight his own teacher which he overcame with resolve, besides using a previous character who was dead a long time ago with no enhancements is unfair claim. It took time for him to do so, which would have given Invel enough time to shatter him if Gray wasn’t around, and yet Natsu could not break free from Brandish’s grasp when she took them away? And struggled against a weakened God Serene who at full power is weaker than Dimaria? That is still doesn’t put Natsu at that level on his own at least in base. Being alive doesn’t determine how strong they are in battle, it is only when it actively effects you is what matters, people can still perform normal feats like exercises even when effected by disease. If he never would have landed the hit, he wouldn’t have landed the hit when saving Kagura too, they were battle ready so he wouldn’t have been unable to get them both out of the way, it is not as though he was caught off guard or anything. Neinhart was in shock at that moment with how Erza dispelled his historias. mental state is a factor after all, Jellal would have used meteor to dodge, and it is shown he can multi-task if need be. He was unconscious well before that as it takes time to drown underwater, even when caught under an anchor chain which there was no anchor near by when they were sent under, unless the bast pushed them under an anchor that was already there which again, if Kagura could get out, then so could Jellal before drowning. And yet Jacob managed to escape shortly after he was defeated since they didn’t take him prisoner, which makes sense since Ajeel was not captured too as Zeref stated they managed to preserve their own lives, he was weakened during his fight with Mira as per her own and Hiro’s words.
 
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