Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[WoWfan]

Why are you using scenes from the Alvarez arc to illustrate your argument? Lucy became much more powerful after 1 year and throughout the 100-year quest arcs. In the past, Lucy was barely able to face Brandish; currently, the narrative places Lucy on the same level as Brandish.

And the Taurus form is stronger than the Aquarius form in terms of physical attributes, since that was the reason Lucy changed forms. The power of Taurus is to increase physical strength.

The fact that Brandish still makes Lucy scared Even then, it shows that not much has changed For anyone, as Hiro intended for prevent powerscreep.


Taurus physical attributes are tied to his offensive power (200<388) which Aquarius’ nearly doubles, same with defense (154<275) if one to go that far, increase for the dress, doesn’t mean Taurus can change his own strength, it pretty much what it is.

 

[Steven]

this is the latest Canon

Going extreme-diff with GS makes you>August who dogwalks GS?Gimme a break

 

[Rigel]

The fact that Brandish still makes Lucy scared Even then, it shows that not much has changed For anyone, as Hiro intended for prevent powerscreep.


Taurus physical attributes are tied to his offensive power (200<388) which Aquarius’ nearly doubles, same with defense (154<275) if one to go that far, increase for the dress, doesn’t mean Taurus can change his own strength, it pretty much what it is.

Those statistics refer to the power of spirits in general; Lucy only acquires a portion of their power through her dresses. Furthermore, those statistics were created early in the series, so you should only use them as a guideline.

In addition, there's a crucial factor that renders this discussion pointless and irrelevant.

Lucy switched from Aquarius Form to Taurus Form because she needed the increased physical strength necessary to temporarily dominate Merc.

The narrative clearly states that Taurus Form > Aquarius Form in physical strength. Brandish herself is also an indicator of this, when she's surprised and happy to see Lucy wearing the Taurus Star Dress.

If that doesn't convince you, the problem isn't the argument itself, because anyone can interpret the basics of that scene.

A joke scene isn't a relevant argument. Besides, Lucy intended to confront Brandish for the Aquarius key without any hesitation.

 

[WoWfan]

Those statistics refer to the power of spirits in general; Lucy only acquires a portion of their power through her dresses. Furthermore, those statistics were created early in the series, so you should only use them as a guideline.

In addition, there's a crucial factor that renders this discussion pointless and irrelevant.

Lucy switched from Aquarius Form to Taurus Form because she needed the increased physical strength necessary to temporarily dominate Merc.

The narrative clearly states that Taurus Form > Aquarius Form in physical strength. Brandish herself is also an indicator of this, when she's surprised and happy to see Lucy wearing the Taurus Star Dress.

If that doesn't convince you, the problem isn't the argument itself, because anyone can interpret the basics of that scene.

A joke scene isn't a relevant argument. Besides, Lucy intended to confront Brandish for the Aquarius key without any hesitation.

Even as portions, they still have their standings in where their stats are, and her battle against Brandish proves that Aquarius star dress is the stronger of the two (even if Brandish was faking the battle) and from a another showing, Loke was defeated in one hit by Jackel who is weaker than Torafusa who’s slash which is stronger than explosions remained standing and continued fighting.

It never stated that increasing her physical power was the answer since physical attacks were always the answer, Brandish just said brute force which Erza stated was the answer when she brought down Acno. In retrospect it was because her more powerful Aquarius star dress was useless against a water dragon slayer who would actually become stronger from. Besides if it did increase physical strength then why didn’t Lucy pop like a fruit inside Merc’s mouth when she grew larger? If indicating that increased strength did happen then aqua Lucy would never have been able to escape initially.

It is relevant as it showed they are still terrified of her. That doesn’t change she is still afraid, it is no different from her conviction against her when trying to save Natsu’s life when she admitted to being weaker than Brandish.

 

[Rigel]

Even as portions, they still have their standings in where their stats are, and her battle against Brandish proves that Aquarius star dress is the stronger of the two (even if Brandish was faking the battle) and from a another showing, Loke was defeated in one hit by Jackel who is weaker than Torafusa who’s slash which is stronger than explosions remained standing and continued fighting.

It never stated that increasing her physical power was the answer since physical attacks were always the answer, Brandish just said brute force which Erza stated was the answer when she brought down Acno. In retrospect it was because her more powerful Aquarius star dress was useless against a water dragon slayer who would actually become stronger from. Besides if it did increase physical strength then why didn’t Lucy pop like a fruit inside Merc’s mouth when she grew larger? If indicating that increased strength did happen then aqua Lucy would never have been able to escape initially.

It is relevant as it showed they are still terrified of her. That doesn’t change she is still afraid, it is no different from her conviction against her when trying to save Natsu’s life when she admitted to being weaker than Brandish.

You need to read what you wrote and then reflect a little.

Nothing you said is correlated or makes sense. Sorry, there's a limit to fantasizing about an obvious and established narrative. And I'm not trying to be disrespectful, it's just common sense to notice that Lucy switched her Star Dress from Aquarius to Taurus at a moment when she needed physical strength.

That's reading comprehension at its most basic level. You're spinning around, making a fuss with vague arguments, and you won't convince anyone otherwise, except yourself.

It's necessary to establish a level of argumentation to continue a discussion, and I didn't see any sense in what you wrote.

 

[WoWfan]

You need to read what you wrote and then reflect a little.

Nothing you said is correlated or makes sense. Sorry, there's a limit to fantasizing about an obvious and established narrative. And I'm not trying to be disrespectful, it's just common sense to notice that Lucy switched her Star Dress from Aquarius to Taurus at a moment when she needed physical strength.

That's reading comprehension at its most basic level. You're spinning around, making a fuss with vague arguments, and you won't convince anyone otherwise, except yourself.

It's necessary to establish a level of argumentation to continue a discussion, and I didn't see any sense in what you wrote.

The narrative doesn’t state anything about increased strength though, it is just using the weakness of dragons which has been established in the OG FT series which is brute force. It is just correlating to how she uses her power via star dress. Which one uses water and the other uses brute force which is still relative to the spirits stats she uses them from.

I have been providing links with connections to what I have been saying.

Those links just show Lucy using brute force with Brandish help to not only damage the dragon but the crystal too.

Put Brandish by herself in that situation or Erza by herself and she can get the situation done like that too just like how she managed to force Acno down to a boat with just swords, that is the point of this, Lucy by herself is not enough.

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[Rigel]

The narrative doesn’t state anything about increased strength though, it is just using the weakness of dragons which has been established in the OG FT series which is brute force. It is just correlating to how she uses her power via star dress. Which one uses water and the other uses brute force which is still relative to the spirits stats she uses them from.

I have been providing links with connections to what I have been saying.

Those links just show Lucy using brute force with Brandish help to not only damage the dragon but the crystal too.

Put Brandish by herself in that situation or Erza by herself and she can get the situation done like that too just like how she managed to force Acno down to a boat with just swords, that is the point of this, Lucy by herself is not enough.

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You're not making any sense.

Where did I mention that Lucy alone would be enough? I stated that you constantly exclude Lucy's and the other characters' participation when citing these feats to exclusively exalt Brandish, when we know that she alone is not capable of replicating those feats.

Lucy used Taurus's Star Dress to increase her physical strength; this is clear in the images. Brandish corroborates this when she mentions using brute force. Obviously, this was a combined effort of Lucy's power with Brandish's power, and not something Brandish could do alone.

This has been the point addressed from the beginning of this discussion.

 

[WoWfan]

You're not making any sense.

Where did I mention that Lucy alone would be enough? I stated that you constantly exclude Lucy's and the other characters' participation when citing these feats to exclusively exalt Brandish, when we know that she alone is not capable of replicating those feats.

Lucy used Taurus's Star Dress to increase her physical strength; this is clear in the images. Brandish corroborates this when she mentions using brute force. Obviously, this was a combined effort of Lucy's power with Brandish's power, and not something Brandish could do alone.

This has been the point addressed from the beginning of this discussion.

And I said that I don’t exclude her intentionally without good reason, and this comes from a recent realization. And that reason is that Taurus form is:

1. Weaker than her Aquarius form.
2. Using physical strength which is weaker than her Water powers as stats have shown for their power comparison.
3. Aquarius form is useless against Merc.

those are factors as to why Lucy’s contributions in power are not as equally relative compared to her using intelligence which she excels at. Brandish is capable of blocking Taurus Lucy’s kick with one hand and even while faking, she used more effort against Aquarius than Taurus dress. That along speaks volumes that if Brandish went giant she could replicate said feat. Sure but only relative to Taurus stats who is still weaker than Aquarius, see? So? Erza used brute force like Lucy minus Brandish power and she pushed down Acno, the only difference Acno is immune to the damage from physical force and other dragons aren’t. If anything Brandish just saved Lucy and had her do the effort since she is known to be lazy to do much anything.

and it is not to exalt anything, it is simply debunking claims that “certain” people have to downplay the Spriggans simply because they don’t like the ending. I remember when they thought Diabolos would wipe Spriggans regardless of feats, then they changed over to BDKs, then with Gold Owl, then to Fire & Flame, now Calamity Blood. That is why especially the later if a Calamity blood is defeated by a depowered Merc, then they are not at that level.

honestly, the heat train is over blown at this point, an esoterically, the fact that they keep using Spriggans as the bar to set to overcome each time speaks volumes, consciously and subconsciously that they acknowledge that they are still relevant.

in fact, Lucy versus glass wearing chick shows just how outclass Lucy is compared to Brandish who can defeat glass wearing chick with relative ease who Lucy acknowledged was strong.

I cannot think of a more obvious meme to use here based on those people’s positions but from Rise of Skywalker (I don’t care if anyone is stronger, I just want Spriggans to be weaker) XD

 

[Rigel]

And I said that I don’t exclude her intentionally without good reason. And that reason is that Taurus form is:

1. Weaker than her Aquarius form.
2. Using physical strength which is weaker than her Water powers as stats have shown for their power comparison.
3. Aquarius form is useless against Merc.

those are factors as to why Lucy’s contributions in power are not as equally relative compared to her using intelligence which she excels at. Brandish is capable of blocking Taurus Lucy’s kick with one hand and even while faking, she used more effort against Aquarius than Taurus dress. That along speaks volumes that if Brandish went giant she could replicate said feat. Sure but only relative to Taurus stats who is still weaker than Aquarius, see? So? Erza used brute force like Lucy minus Brandish power and she pushed down Acno, the only difference Acno is immune to the damage from physical force and other dragons aren’t. If anything Brandish just saved Lucy and had her do the effort since she is known to be lazy to do much anything.

and it is not to exalt anything, it is simply debunking claims that “certain” people have to downplay the Spriggans simply because they don’t like the ending. I remember when they thought Diabolos would wipe Spriggans regardless of feats, then they changed over to BDKs, then with Gold Owl, then to Fire & Flame, now Calamity Blood. That is why especially the later if a Calamity blood is defeated by a depowered Merc, then they are not at that level.

honestly, the heat train is over blown at this point, an esoterically, the fact that they keep using Spriggans as the bar to set to overcome each time speaks volumes, consciously and subconsciously that they acknowledge that they are still relevant.

I cannot think of a more obvious meme to use here based on those people’s positions but from Rise of Skywalker (I don’t care if anyone is stronger, I just want Spriggans to be weaker) XD

Acnologia isn't immune to physical damage; there are many examples of him being hit. Furthermore, he lost his arm to Igneel through a physical attack, since he's immune to almost all types of magic.

The Taurus form is stronger than the Aquarius form in any situation requiring brute force.

In the situation presented, Lucy needed to physically subdue a dragon, so Taurus would always be the best option. Any other Star Dress would be useless because dragon scales block most magical damage.

And I already mentioned to you, Lucy is no longer on the same level as Alvarez. All her forms have evolved in power.

Brandish isn't capable of performing any of the feats demonstrated against dragons on her own; she needs help.

Regarding the Spriggans, I think you overestimate them to a level that ignores the context of numerous scenes to favor a fantastical logic.

 

[WoWfan]

Acnologia isn't immune to physical damage; there are many examples of him being hit. Furthermore, he lost his arm to Igneel through a physical attack, since he's immune to almost all types of magic.

The Taurus form is stronger than the Aquarius form in any situation requiring brute force.

In the situation presented, Lucy needed to physically subdue a dragon, so Taurus would always be the best option. Any other Star Dress would be useless because dragon scales block most magical damage.

And I already mentioned to you, Lucy is no longer on the same level as Alvarez. All her forms have evolved in power.

Brandish isn't capable of performing any of the feats demonstrated against dragons on her own; she needs help.

Regarding the Spriggans, I think you overestimate them to a level that ignores the context of numerous scenes to favor a fantastical logic.

Yes he is as he is a magic dragon slayer, making home a class of immunity above the other dragons. And since physical attacks possess magic power it makes sense they don’t do him harm, the only thing that can harm him is a dragon.

no it isn’t as Brandish and Jacob fight proved that it does little to nothing. Aquarius dress does more than what Taurus has done in straight forward fights.

Aquarius dress would have done it more efficiently than Taurus dress did however it uses water and that doesn’t work on Merc. That is the point. That and they would be too weak to accomplish the task and brute force has magic still as GMG arc proved.

sure but she is still not on Brandish’ level and is still scared of her.

no? Considering Lucy’s almost defeat against glass girl and required Brandish to bail her own shows that she is not at that level even with the star dress still. And it isn’t that hard to toss around a snake like dragon if you have the means to do so, Erza managed to do that with swords against Acno.

Au contraire, I put a post recently why most of the Spriggans lost the way they did not based on pure power alone. The fact that Hiro intentionally stated there is no power creep and their recent showings would indicate their still relevance and why their victories made sense.

 

[Darklord#10]

Going extreme-diff with GS makes you>August who dogwalks GS?Gimme a break

That's not what I said lol . You yourself said god Serena = gildarts. gildarts went high diff with augusto. Now in the latest canon jellal is evidently stronger than most of the Spriggans except the top 2 , he's also stronger than Larcade since by your standards Larcade is fodder

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Both Laxus and Erza are below August/Irene/Dimaria and GS

You see why you're clown. Why don't you add Larcade. He's factually number 3.
Laxus and erza are below god Serena but jellal is above god Serena and somehow he's below Laxus and erza. That's why you're clown who can't form a coherent thought process

 

[Rigel]

Yes he is as he is a magic dragon slayer, making home a class of immunity above the other dragons. And since physical attacks possess magic power it makes sense they don’t do him harm, the only thing that can harm him is a dragon.

no it isn’t as Brandish and Jacob fight proved that it does little to nothing. Aquarius dress does more than what Taurus has done in straight forward fights.

Aquarius dress would have done it more efficiently than Taurus dress did however it uses water and that doesn’t work on Merc. That is the point. That and they would be too weak to accomplish the task and brute force has magic still as GMG arc proved.

sure but she is still not on Brandish’ level and is still scared of her.

no? Considering Lucy’s almost defeat against glass girl and required Brandish to bail her own shows that she is not at that level even with the star dress still. And it isn’t that hard to toss around a snake like dragon if you have the means to do so, Erza managed to do that with swords against Acno.

Au contraire, I put a post recently why most of the Spriggans lost the way they did not based on pure power alone. The fact that Hiro intentionally stated there is no power creep and their recent showings would indicate their still relevance and why their victories made sense.

Makarov already managed to restrain Acnologia, Christina already managed to run him over. You don't need to be a dragon to hurt Acno, just physical strength is enough. You know this, but it undermines your arguments.

I feel like I'm repeating myself, but I'll do it one last time. Dragons possess magical resistance through their scales, so no Star Dress would be superior to the Taurus form in situations where Lucy needed to subdue a dragon with physical strength. Do you understand? The Taurus form is physically stronger than all other forms. It's not about Merc being a water dragon; he could be a fire dragon, and Aquarius magic would be useless because he has scales that give him resistance to common magic, which isn't dragon slayer magic.

Using Karameel is a very weak argument, considering all the disadvantages Lucy had in that confrontation, Hiro made sure to exemplify. He even had Brandish mention that Lucy was getting distracted during the confrontation.

The narrative already stated in the Viernes arc that Lucy and Brandish are on the same level, but if you're going to question that to further your agenda in favor of the Spriggans, you'll do it yourself because I don't intend to waste my time discussing what Mashima has already explained.

And this argument that Lucy is afraid of Brandish only works in your perception, since in that arc it was shown that Lucy intended to confront her for the Aquarius key.

The Spriggans' level has already been surpassed; the defeat of God Serena, the fifth strongest Spriggan, is a very illustrative example of this. The power level of the villain groups has begun to increase.

I'll stop here; I don't think we'll reach a consensus, even though the facts are well established in the narrative. I mentioned the fact that you ignore Lucy in all your posts praising feats that Brandish is unable to replicate on her own, as a way to refute your arguments, which overestimate the Spriggans to unrealistic levels.

None of them compare to a Dragon God.

And if I'm not mistaken, Mashima already made a power comparison between Ignia and the 12 Spriggans. I'll look it up later.

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In a normal situation, Spriggans are nothing to the Dragon Gods; you need to absorb that and accept it. Simple as that.

 

[WoWfan]

Makarov already managed to restrain Acnologia, Christina already managed to run him over. You don't need to be a dragon to hurt Acno, just physical strength is enough. You know this, but it undermines your arguments.

I feel like I'm repeating myself, but I'll do it one last time. Dragons possess magical resistance through their scales, so no Star Dress would be superior to the Taurus form in situations where Lucy needed to subdue a dragon with physical strength. Do you understand? The Taurus form is physically stronger than all other forms. It's not about Merc being a water dragon; he could be a fire dragon, and Aquarius magic would be useless because he has scales that give him resistance to common magic, which isn't dragon slayer magic.

Using Karameel is a very weak argument, considering all the disadvantages Lucy had in that confrontation, Hiro made sure to exemplify. He even had Brandish mention that Lucy was getting distracted during the confrontation.

The narrative already stated in the Viernes arc that Lucy and Brandish are on the same level, but if you're going to question that to further your agenda in favor of the Spriggans, you'll do it yourself because I don't intend to waste my time discussing what Mashima has already explained.

And this argument that Lucy is afraid of Brandish only works in your perception, since in that arc it was shown that Lucy intended to confront her for the Aquarius key.

The Spriggans' level has already been surpassed; the defeat of God Serena, the fifth strongest Spriggan, is a very illustrative example of this. The power level of the villain groups has begun to increase.

I'll stop here; I don't think we'll reach a consensus, even though the facts are well established in the narrative. I mentioned the fact that you ignore Lucy in all your posts praising feats that Brandish is unable to replicate on her own, as a way to refute your arguments, which overestimate the Spriggans to unrealistic levels.

None of them compare to a Dragon God.

And if I'm not mistaken, Mashima already made a power comparison between Ignia and the 12 Spriggans. I'll look it up later.

It is stated back then that Acno wasn’t even trying so the bare-minimum Acno exerts is basically Makarov’s max. Christina cheat shot Acno, catching him off guard. You need context for these instances, and nothing suggested those hurt him.


Yes they would as they can even even push him when need be as Mirajane showed against Zirconis. Just like humans, their physical stats reflect their magic power. No because Aquarius has better durability than Taurus form would even since they impart a portion of their power too. Loke was one shotted by a weaker attack while Aquarius tanked a stronger one which shows those stats are just as relative to their physical one.



Not really as the black mage from the second movie, Zeref and Demons of Farris was harmed and/or affected dragons before. It is a matter of scaling.


Lucy had no disadvantages apart from lacking DS magic which she would still be able to harm if she had greater power. She was even wearing the Aquarius dress which gives her advantage in the water. And yet Brandish overpowered her with relative ease who needed a breather mask and should be hampered by the water. Lucy was losing consciousness when Brandish told her that.


That one is where Lucy had to think of someone powerful which they don’t like because of it. It is the same thing for Gray and Natsu, unless you are going to defend Gray and say he is can harm Dragon Gods.


She even intended to confront Brandish to save Natsu’s life and she admitted to being weaker, plus she didn’t bring up confronting her when Aquarius appeared which Brandish let Lucy have it right away.


correction, it is Acno that defeated him, they just defeated lesser versions of him, and no, the doll GS is not on main GS level as the former was disintegrating by a base GS spell where as Neinhart managed to not only survive but escape from a bloodthursty GS spell which is stronger than any other.


again, Brandish has shown to be stronger than Taurus form on her own and can reform said feats, and her failure to defeat glass girl proves that when she has advantages to even it out. the only spell that I can think of that surpasses her of that if Godfried which can move stars and that requires prep time.


Weakened Zeref does as he was damaging Aldoron with his magic.


He said he doesn’t know and never thought about it, you cannot take that away as absolute, he literally compared it to Laxus and Suzaku who he doesn’t know, and here people treats it as a draw, so by the forum’s comparison it should be a draw. but sure if DGs go all out they would win but it is shown and proven Spriggans are still relative. And no amount of downplaying would change that, at least until nerfed Merc faces Rock Dragon CB and there is where the comparison will be decided

 

[Rigel]

Lucy had no disadvantages apart from lacking DS magic which she would still be able to harm if she had greater power. She was even wearing the Aquarius dress which gives her advantage in the water. And yet Brandish overpowered her with relative ease who needed a breather mask and should be hampered by the water. Lucy was losing consciousness when Brandish told her that.

I think someone needs to reread the manga.

And it's funny that you had to soften your arguments after Mashima's statement. 🫢

 

[WoWfan]

I think someone needs to reread the manga.

And it's funny that you had to soften your arguments after Mashima's statement. 🫢

Same with you

https://scans.lastation.us/manga/Fairy-Tail-100-Years-Quest/0166-017.png

What softening? I just said that the Spriggans have proven to be relative to DGs. You need to reread my points again.

 

[Rigel]

Same with you

https://scans.lastation.us/manga/Fairy-Tail-100-Years-Quest/0166-017.png

What softening? I just said that the Spriggans have proven to be relative to DGs. You need to reread my points again.

Yes, they are inferior to the human form of the Dragon Gods. Most of them are far inferior.

 

[WoWfan]

Yes, they are inferior to the human form of the Dragon Gods. Most of them are far inferior.

You are clearly ignoring the Aquarius dress which gives her an advantage in the water, stronger than Taurus form. That’s more CIS and PIS on Lucy’s part, I mean, how could she have not known her spirits can’t breath underwater and why CAN’T Cancer breath underwater since he is a crab? It is like when Pisces lose their power when in water themselves, Lucy should have put two and two together. The real disadvantage is her lack of foresight before going into the battle

that doesn’t take away that she acknowledged Glass girl as strong.

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besides, even IF that was a reasonable disadvantage, why didn’t she just go back to the surface and fought her there? She could clearly dodge her attacks in base form underwater. Unless it would make no difference in the fight.

you claim that Lucy has grown stronger to rival Brandish. And since Aquarius dress is her strongest dress so far, she would be able to defeat Glass girl with ease like Brandish did.

The narrative already stated in the Viernes arc that Lucy and Brandish are on the same level, but if you're going to question that to further your agenda in favor of the Spriggans, you'll do it yourself because I don't intend to waste my time discussing what Mashima has already explained.

Brandish’s contributions for both Aldoron and Merc say otherwise.

 

[Rigel]

You are clearly ignoring the Aquarius dress which gives her an advantage in the water, stronger than Taurus form. That’s more CIS and PIS on Lucy’s part, I mean, how could she have not known her spirits can’t breath underwater and why CAN’T Cancer breath underwater since he is a crab? It is like when Pisces lose their power when in water themselves, Lucy should have put two and two together. The real disadvantage is her lack of foresight before going into the battle

that doesn’t take away that she acknowledged Glass girl as strong.

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you claim that Lucy has grown stronger to rival Brandish. And since Aquarius dress is her strongest dress so far, she would be able to defeat Glass girl with ease like Brandish did.




Brandish’s contributions for both Aldoron and Merc say otherwise.

Sorry, but you can't ignore the manga in favor of your fantasies. The narrative shows that Lucy was at a disadvantage, since she couldn't summon spirits or use other Star Dresses (she can only breathe in Aquarius' SD). Furthermore, Karameel possessed water magic, having resistance to this element, as explained by Brian, as one of the effects of dragonization.

The argument regarding Brandish is dependent on numerous circumstances. Put the Spriggans against the Dragon Gods in a normal situation, and they are obliterated.

We cannot go against the author's positions.

 

[WoWfan]

Sorry, but you can't ignore the manga in favor of your fantasies. The narrative shows that Lucy was at a disadvantage, since she couldn't summon spirits or use other Star Dresses (she can only breathe in Aquarius' SD). Furthermore, Karameel possessed water magic, having resistance to this element, as explained by Brian, as one of the effects of dragonization.

The argument regarding Brandish is dependent on numerous circumstances. Put the Spriggans against the Dragon Gods in a normal situation, and they are obliterated.

We cannot go against the author's positions.

Not ignore just addressing the obvious plot holes that arose here.

you are clearly ignoring her ability to use Water powers too.

besides, why couldn’t she just go to the surface and fight there? She could clearly dodge in base so if she needed her other spirits she would have done that. However in her own words, she would be done for at the hands of the dragonized people even on land as she called them strong too. So it would make no real difference.

That would depend if they get obliterated instantly or not, and considering most encounters with the main cast that doesn’t happen that way.

and the Author’s position puts the confrontation as unknown as he doesn't think about it. So the best thing we go by what is shown in the source material

 

[Rigel]

Not ignore just addressing the obvious plot holes that arose here.

you are clearly ignoring her ability to use Water powers too.

besides, why couldn’t she just go to the surface and fight there? She could clearly dodge in base so if she needed her other spirits she would have done that. However in her own words, she would be done for at the hands of the dragonized people even on land as she called them strong too. So it would make no real difference.

That would depend if they get obliterated instantly or not, and considering most encounters with the main cast that doesn’t happen that way.

and the Author’s position puts the confrontation as unknown as he doesn't think about it. So the best thing we go by what is shown in the source material

In short, you're creating fictional scenarios that aren't in the manga.

You have to accept what Hiro delivered; it was part of the narrative that Lucy remembered Aquarius and Brandish appeared.

The fact is, Hiro established that Lucy was at a disadvantage.