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My gut says both hardy and James are dead maf walking

I can't get over the Gryff and Xio kill choices.
We haven't really considered traitor possibility which could explain both Sam existing and kill choices being odd.
AM NOT! Come on! If I was faking Det I would have presented 2 different results on not dead townies by now and Demon would have likely shot one of them to confirm my sanity. That would help my Mafia cause more than faking blocked all game. I am blocked. I am not getting results. If I had died last day you would be among the first today to not believe Kami from shifting from 1st prostitute claimer to 2nd det claimer, you likely would have blocked kami a 2nd time even to catch him lying about his result action.
Admit that at least!

And yeah, kill choices are odd. Why go for a Necro? Is it to avoid conflicting results between the two necros? Are they trying to frame Teubier who's action on Gryff didn't really helped us further? I would have expected them to kill you which is why I targeted you, hoping they block one of the protectors and leave me alone last night. But you're still here.

Normally I would say that makes it feel like you are Lover Prostitute but Sam claims you got no secondary so that is impossible. Save for Sam lying but why would he? Threesome Psy trying to find lovers? Seems too OP to me to be true.
 

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Just found this ^

Gryff being killed for pushing james and then pinging 2 or 3 mafia teammates for hints could've been taken as traitor signal by mafteam

@Demonspeed
@wojak

I'm gonna keep looking to see if there's more evidence of this, but odd kills and a psych claim are also a decent sign of a traitor which a 3-man mafia would definitely be looking for.
What's his traitor role then that is supposed to help mafia before being recruited, can target but doesn't give feedback, and isn't prostitute?
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Sorry, bad habbit from different communities

Basically any mafia could push James for cred any point after he had 4/5 votes on him day 1
If you're losing a teammate you might aswell take the points for the lynch

I wouldn't expect that kinda play from all players here, but you're definitely a player who would clock the situation pretty quickly
Cute and all but I said day 2. I voted him both days.
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I locked on his ass even before Marm's vote (that no one followed, for the record).
 

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Your thots on players

Well young Wojakulate, from my perspective the only guaranteed towns are myself and @Demonspeed; may as well call us the shit shot brothers at this point. Extending that circle outwards, the remaining players are yourself (Town/Sickly claim), Erinyes (Bodyguard), Holt (Doctor), Hardy (Defused Bomb), Nashina (Hoe), James (Detective with sperm cramps (blocked)), DD (Spirit Medium), and Teuberculosis (Necromancer). So that makes me think, who is likely to be red given what we know? (i.e Marm Restless Spirit, Kaminogan Dicktective, Brandish the Hardy Stopper).

Before I give you my current suspects, I see a few issues this revolves around:
- How many necrophilia (aka dead cunt roles) should town have? (2 with Marm and Gary; Teub and DD another two)
- How many investigative roles should town actually have? (Kami a confirmed Det, James a claimed Det, and myself a Psychiatrist)


My current suspects are:
1. Necrophiliacs (Teub vs DD)
Lack of info is a killer here and I'm not too reassured by either one. Thought and gut feel tells me there might be scum here, especially in light of Gary claiming he was claimcucked because he was Necro. Factoring Marm who was also a dead cunt role (Restless Spoof), that makes 4 necrophiliacs. So, its down to DD the Spirit Medium vs Teubs the other Necro. Two Necros sounds odd. If two bombs are legit, 2 dead cunt roles is fine but is 3 overkill? Could be both of them, but its definitly one of them. I lean towards Teubs being the dodgiest one although DD is elite at slipping through the cracks sometime.

2. The Night 1 Cuck (Hardy)
I'm not certain on this one but a comment that is ringing loudly atm is @Demonspeed saying that the Hot Potato is a neutral role that can kill. Ethically that could mean that we're looking at Town killing role (and town killer kekw) Demon, and mafia bomb Hardy who got bummed by Brand N1 (amazing chase down block from Jaden McFurphys himself). To me, this puts Hardy as likely scum.

after that it gets less certain but...

3. Information (or lack thereof)
The question I'm mulling over now is 'would town have 3 investigatives?' I'm definitely one although my choice for target is similar to Desmonds atm (i.e. not good). Then there was Kami who was town Det but played like town bomb or something because what the fuck was he doing? Then there's James, the other Det claimer. James does look dodgy here but there's another person I'll include in this category because they tie into information through the obstruction of it: the claimed blocker, Nash. It may be a scenario where both James and Nash are town, but that could be unlikely. What irks me though is that both "Dets" claimed a block but Kami was the one who we have to believe was blocked unless he is lying and forgot to submit an action (crackpot idea but it'd track given what he's like innit). So James, without the existence of a 2nd blocker, is immediately flagged as the most sus. Logically, he shouldn't be Det but that is based on an assumption. If there is a 2nd blocker, that makes James legit and Nash town blocker while someone who lied (Teub or DD for example) as that possible 2nd blocker.

4. The others
I'm just going to mention that I think Holt and Erin are likely town at this point, although one could be bsing potentially. The only person I haven't mentioned yet is you Woj, and of those others I think you're more likely to be red because Sickly is handy vote control for a small team that could use a leg up like that. Not saying you're likely red yet, but I definitely think the possibility is growing.
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I spent half an hour writing that, partly because my D key sucks ass so you better read it and tell me what you think or I won't make you cheesecake @Demonspeed @Hardy @James Rye @wojak @NashSilver @Erinyes @Holt @digitaldude @Teubier
 

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Ugh so I typed a whole thing in word to not accidentally send this message before I'm done, but somehow the site refuses to copy it properly.


Alright so I'm back to haunt you guys just for a little bit. 👻
First things first, I'm noticing a spooky theme in the game (if other claims are truthful of course). Restless spirit 👻 + Spirit Medium + Necro. Very spooky very well done. Also very useful in this setting DO USE IT WISELY OR I WILL THROW ACTUAL HOT POTATOES AT YOU GUYS IRL.
I will say, seems like a fun comp if most of you are not lying.
The two prostitutes I'm not so sure about, seems like a lot for a smaller game like this. Panda + Farm do like to balance in pairs, and if this is true I wonder what they paired it against to make it more balanced. I have no idea. Escort + Prosti pair seems more likely for me, but let's not 100% rule it out.

Also stop being weird everyone, why is everyone playing so weirdly lol.

Please do consider the fact that the janitor is likely stealing Gryff's role to claim.

So about the living players:

- Brandish: Seems calmer D2 than D1. I still stand by what I said, the Kami defense was a bit odd feeling. Among the me-voters from yesterday, he’s more sus than Sam and maybe Erin, less sus than Nash. Brandish at least had a good reason (saving himself, which is fair I suppose). Very lucky bomb-disabling. I was considering the scenario Hardy and Brandish would be together, but honestly is there a need for a play like this as a mafia duo? I don't know, let's not throw away this thought.
- Hardy – Speaking of Hardy: On D1, I wasn’t alarmed by Hardy. I did feel that town Hardy tends to be a bit more mean. Perhaps agressive is the right word for it. Being a busy father probably does get in the way of that. The Doc claim is a bit hmm, but I suppose it would work for a bait if you want to murder a mafia perhaps. Very on the nose for him though, it's kinda pulling my good feelings about him away by a lot. Is he mafia bomb or town bomb? That's the question here... Please remember that if Hardy is mafia that does not confirm Brandish.

- DD – Kind of missing him in the discussions today, please do go bother him. It's very easy to go under the radar like this.

- Demon – Very laidback and relaxed for now, I’m not sure if I like that. For me, that’s often a mafia tell for him. Overly mafia alarms? Not this time. Small mafia alarms? Yes. The fact that it's only small alarms is concerning. What is also concerning is that we seem to agree on Nash. Hmmm not sure how to feel about that. I hope you do feel better soo Demon

- Erin – I disliked her D1, did not give good vibes, but not bad enough to really sus honestly. Seems more active but confused today, which happens sometimes, but don't let that slide. it's giving flying under the radar, and that's a dangerous thing. Makes me more suspicious of her. A green hot potato doesn't exist, if I give it to someone I find sus it might very well be a red hot potato the next day. I do hope days get less busy for you and you get to relax a bit Erin :pout

- Gary - Had good vibes so far, I don't think I'm seeing anything wrong with his playing so far. Claims that his role has already been claimed.... Not sure how to feel about that though. Why aren't you exposing them. Necromancer it seems....

- Holt – Feels pretty open with his role, posts are easy to follow and steady. I think he's likely town. Felt that way D1, posts so far on this day point to the same thing.

- James – I don’t think the “afk james is mafia” theory is correct anymore, considering he hasn’t been posting walls like he used to back in the days for a few years now. What we do know is that mafia-James will say anything survive, and quite frankly, does get away with it. The walling now, after getting called out for it, feels very mafia-esque. The question is here, do we want to risk it or investigate that first? Don't wait too long. It's pulling away the focus that could be spent on other players. Not to mention his current defense somehow feels very meh.
A townie blocking James imo makes no sense, but I wonder if he's really lying about what happened last night. No counter claim? Is it the different kind of investigative roles (like SM) or something else?

- Nash – Looking back at D1, I honestly didn’t mind Nash’ gameplay mostly. I thought she was okay, obviously that doesn’t always say that much on D1. What I want to focus on here is the sequence of events in the last hour or so of D1. She was online, but looking back – her presence and way of replying was calculated. Very passive in a way, waiting till other players make a move. And surely, we were all looking at each other to see what was going to happen. Her actions made me feel like she was waiting for something. Perhaps trying to save a mafia-chan? Where was the pressure she likes to put on players? It wasn’t there. Naming a few players, to see how people react to it. Also notice how she did have at least some reasoning for a couple of players but jumped on me with ‘gut feelings’ only. Make it make sense.
I disliked the baiting with different hints. I'm not even surprised anymore it turned out to be something else. Wonder why you didn't go for Kami more yesterday? That’s strange. It felt more like a defense of his statement than anything else.
James and Nash together doesn't really make sense to me, DO NOT completely rule that out though. Could be a mafia ploy, but I'm really wondering if it's one that's worth it at this stage of the game. That's the main thing that's throwing me off of Nash right now.


- Kami - I don't know anymore, PLEASE INVESTIGATE HIM. It feels like the D1 claimers are already getting off easy and that bothers me. Also start making sense, I see you are dropping cryptic things. SHARE IT ALL you are not doing town a favor imo by keeping things in the dark. "reasons" What are those reasons? Do you have a result? Or is it different reasoning? If so than share it, you are not being helpful.

- Sam – I think he’s town. Sam stop following your feelings when you are stressed, that does not work for you. You tend to often murder me in those cases, it’s a pattern. Does confirm the townie-ness for me, but please destress first before you come to the thread. You do seem more chill now.
I did make an image for you yesterday at the time of the cold blooded murder.


- Teub – The random reveal does bother me. There was hardly any pressure, I literally had to go back and try to find it when Erin mentioned that. It almost felt like, oh looks like Kami is getting away with claiming, might as well claim as well because early claiming = town. Also why are we still voting for people with no reasoning? Explain your thought processes, hiding that will do nothing for town.
That said, I'm not sure if that's a stressed-mafia move or an stress-town move. Leaning towards town for now, but it feels somewhat meh.

- Wojak - doesn't really stand out to me, but feels like town so far. I can absolutely be wrong here, I think he managed to follow me before. There are no signs really that indicate being red to me. Wojak DID point out that it's interesting there is no counter claim to James. Hmm.



In conclusion: Actually thinking about it..... Double necro might be used as an investigative role INSTEAD of detective - it kind of adds up with Janitor. If there is also a detective... isn't that too much? Esp considering the other claims. I don't necessarily read both necro-claimers as red. In the case it's true, you guys must reconsider the prosit-situation. SO PLEASE GO INVESTIGATE AND DO NOT LET ME DOWN BC I ACTUALLY WILL THROW POTATOES.


That said I'm happy I'm free now good luck, use your heads please.

Votekill James.

Also one thing, @Teubier please refrain from posting like this. It's not the style of the post, but let's not use slurs and keep this game fun for everyone. It's also not okay to say in rhyming form imo. I don't think this really needs more explanation but I'll be more than happy to discuss it in DM's.
You know, Marms argument about Hardy = Mafia = not confirming Brand could also go the other way around. What if we got a lot of bombs, like 3 with hot potato, bomb and mafia bomb, in-game? Mafia bomb actually staying silent could be because they got that as a secondary role and don't want to lose their primary one. Sam as Psy has so far a Sickly claimer in wojak, a secondary bomb claimer in Hardy and probably even a pair of Lovers as that is usually why a psy gets put in-game.

Also I know Nash keeps holding Marm's last will around like its the holy bible but Marm also clearly distrusted Nash and its still a will based on her feelings/opinion, not necessarily the truth of how the game really is. Look at me! She votekilled me and I'm not scum. Her vote and distrust in me doesn't change that fact.

With a single prostitute why shouldn't there be a Janitor-Escort duo in a mafia crew? Especially since, as Demon said, Janitors are overrated. With SM and Necrosthe corpses can be checked and used meanwhile Prostitute and BG/Doccan prevent the kill from actually happening. So an Escort would be way more useful to have in a game of 15 than a Janitor. I know if I were a Mafia I'd trade a role hiding killer over an action blocker anytime. Blocking actions is just too useful as, and I cannot repeat that often enough, seen with me! Denying Town infos and confusing town is the A and O of Mafia plays.

Which is why I don't like xi0 dying and Teubier coming out saying he used his action on the unknown role instead of the known det one and has no results for it. It doesn't add anything new due the SM findings and is just confusing whereas a Det result could have shone light on somebody here.
 

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Lmao Sam took 30 minutes only because his D is malfunctioning.

I gotta give it a better read later but I still think the 2 bombs theory has merit, be it James or not. Or perhaps the whole point of the defuser was getting the potato since it never kills scum idk.

Be back in like 3 hours.
 

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Vigilantee + Hot Potato should probably account for all killing town has in a 14 player game
Town Defuser there for maf bomb or an out of control hot potato

I think the lack of a mafia defuser would make Town Bomb inherently unlikely

And there probably isn't maf+town defusers for maf+town bombs + hot potato

I think Hardy is maf bomb by process of elminiation of what kinda setup requires a town bomb to be plausible with confirmed Vigilantee and hot potat.
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So yeah I'm willing to lock Hardy here
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I'll go re-read Sams wall in a sec I wanna finish looking at the kill choices first
 

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oh well as expected, a mafia defuser would never reveal he defused a townie.

back to my trusting scale

trusting scale assuming theres no recruitment or traitor

Me bg 100% green

likely green
Demon - confirming role
DD trusting so far, he came with results
Wojak - sounds honest imo

Teubier - cant see him lying on this, plus used his role seemingly.

Brandi tend to trust he is townie, unless this reveal is a setup



Most suspicious:
Holt - well trusted him yesterday but with DD and Teubier results he could be claiming Gryff role
Sam - his claim makes sense but way too convenient, dont remember his hint, given the number of people i trust , he automatically get more suspicious by elimination too.
James - could be actual det, but with kamu dying det, well its him or nash.
Nashy - well could be prostitute or escort
Hardy,
lied about being doc, and as said earlier it makes to me more sense for bomb to be mafia. could be wrong too -
bomb defused



so janitor should be among sam, holt unless someone lied on their claim

-if scum, nash is likely escort.
-If scum james isnt janitor. nash probably blocked james, makes more sense than blocking bran who used his role/unless theres an escort, if shes legit
-i dont think teubier and dd lied but dont exclude that.
- someone claimed gryff role, could be sam,holt,nash and james, maybe dd if scum.
-teubier claimed on d1, according to his mortician use on gryff he had 0 feedback, unless someone else blocked him, which is unlikely, so given dd results on gryf, it makes nash and holt among the most likely to have claimed gryff 's role
- james could be lying all along but he claimed on d1 so he cant be claiming gryff role.
- sam is likely scum but i assume he claimed psy due to potatoe and sickly
- trusting wojak and he plays townily but... anything is possible


most lkely mafia to me, and again its just my 2cens : either nash and /or james, sam, holt, hardy (hardy could be town bomb buuuut unsure)
nash vs james could be acting but janitor to me is either sam or holt.

Votekill holt
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I think the lack of a mafia defuser would make Town Bomb inherently unlikely
thats what i kept saying earlier
 

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Not dead weight, Necromancer can be a very clutch role albeit circumstantial
This Kamino stuff had like a million posts before your first post, why address it now and not then? Especially if you considered not even coming back to thread.
Yeah Gryff was killed and cleaned most likely cause he pinged at least 2 mafia members Day 1 and was leaning towards trusting townies and pushing James.


@Hardy @Holt @James Rye hint?
This. This is the main reason Gryff died ^

I already quoted it but got no takes from ppl I pinged so pointing at it again.

@SirSamuel016 @Erinyes @Demonspeed
 

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-If scum james isnt janitor. nash probably blocked james, makes more sense than blocking bran who used his role/unless theres an escort, if shes legit
Hand on heart I blocked Brandi last night

I know that's a very unpopular take but the way today went is basically proof that it was a good idea.
If my block was taken at face value, brandish had less evil equity than hardy, and hardy should've been shot to resolve this.
 

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You know, Marms argument about Hardy = Mafia = not confirming Brand could also go the other way around. What if we got a lot of bombs, like 3 with hot potato, bomb and mafia bomb, in-game? Mafia bomb actually staying silent could be because they got that as a secondary role and don't want to lose their primary one. Sam as Psy has so far a Sickly claimer in wojak, a secondary bomb claimer in Hardy and probably even a pair of Lovers as that is usually why a psy gets put in-game.
3rd bomb + Vig would make 4... :hmm I dunno broski

oh well as expected, a mafia defuser would never reveal he defused a townie.

back to my trusting scale

trusting scale assuming theres no recruitment or traitor

Me bg 100% green

likely green
Demon - confirming role
DD trusting so far, he came with results
Wojak - sounds honest imo

Teubier - cant see him lying on this, plus used his role seemingly.

Brandi tend to trust he is townie, unless this reveal is a setup



Most suspicious:
Holt - well trusted him yesterday but with DD and Teubier results he could be claiming Gryff role
Sam - his claim makes sense but way too convenient, dont remember his hint, given the number of people i trust , he automatically get more suspicious by elimination too.
James - could be actual det, but with kamu dying det, well its him or nash.
Nashy - well could be prostitute or escort
Hardy,
lied about being doc, and as said earlier it makes to me more sense for bomb to be mafia. could be wrong too -
bomb defused



so janitor should be among sam, holt unless someone lied on their claim

-if scum, nash is likely escort.
-If scum james isnt janitor. nash probably blocked james, makes more sense than blocking bran who used his role/unless theres an escort, if shes legit
-i dont think teubier and dd lied but dont exclude that.
- someone claimed gryff role, could be sam,holt,nash and james, maybe dd if scum.
-teubier claimed on d1, according to his mortician use on gryff he had 0 feedback, unless someone else blocked him, which is unlikely, so given dd results on gryf, it makes nash and holt among the most likely to have claimed gryff 's role
- james could be lying all along but he claimed on d1 so he cant be claiming gryff role.
- sam is likely scum but i assume he claimed psy due to potatoe and sickly
- trusting wojak and he plays townily but... anything is possible


most lkely mafia to me, and again its just my 2cens : either nash and /or james, sam, holt, hardy (hardy could be town bomb buuuut unsure)
nash vs james could be acting but janitor to me is either sam or holt.

Votekill holt
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thats what i kept saying earlier
Oh brother this is going to need some addressing because I see red flags, give me a bit to break this down
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I will say though, there's clear errors in your logic and what you're drawing from Erin
 

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so either james made it all up, or there is an escort among remaining scums , if james legit , with no spy to track they will just block him.
No spy to track, and as I learnt D2 I can't even reliably block an escort since it goes to a 50/50

Escort is less and less likely by the second
 

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Wasn't really expecting Brand to flip Town, this changes things a bit.

First is Hardy- In direct opposition to Brand and you did say to lycnh you if he flipped town. There is little to say here, considering the size of the game, and just poe, it makes the most sense that he was indeed Mafia bomb. Only thing is faking doc is so lame. That's a town move, since a lynch as doc is very unlikely. Ideally should've claimed something higher risk to bait the lynch. Then again, surviving matters most so I guess he just wanted to

Next is James - Surviving consistently is just a pisstake at this point and I'm not exactly proud I contributed to that. I'm already tired of addressing Kami's play but I hate how that made me hesitate. 2 dets is nothing crazy actually, but the elephant is the room is the supposed constant block which the only claimed hoe Nash doesn't take responsibility for. It would mean there is an escort perma blocking the det, while that would make sense in N1 maybe due to the reveal, it's just a waste. One result wouldn't do much anyway so I believe a block would've been better spent elsewhere. There's a frame chance potentially for a mislynch but then James wouldn't keep weaseling out in that situation

Teub - double necros is...something. Considering the claims we have so far, I think it's a bit of a stretch how much sustain town would have in such a situation. That said, I would assume it's better to keep the other necro alive for a mislynch and kill someone else. But given the amount of protection claimed (prost, doc, bg), maybe they were forced to play it safe to avoid missing a kill. I'm also not a fan of how he keeps saying he wishes he can kill, it's almost tongue in cheek

Sam - Psy seemed alright initially but it makes less sense as we go on. Sickly is announced in thread and HP can easily be revealed at any point. Even if one person wanted to keep it covered, it'll likely be passed to someone who would just blurt it out. So whats the point of the Psy here? Just filling in? I don't like it

Wojak - He has the sickly going for him but that says nothing for affiliation. Also barely seen him so he could just be chilling under that banner. Still worth kkeeping an eye on

Nash - Honestly, still trust Nash with no other hoe revealed + Kami shenanigans but would they do so anyway? But it could still be elaborate, and the move of blocking the other hoe is questionable imo (even if she mentioned). However I've liked her otherwise so far, hence my protection. That said, I'm worried about being blindsided. Lost one det already (though not exactly her fault) and lynching another det claim (albeit looks very scummy atm). If it's a mislynch I wouldn't have to bumb her to the very top

Erin - BG was a nice bet, and with a doc it checks out. Demon didn't die but that could be facilitated by mafia simply ignoring him in hopes that he misfires. Still, she is one of the more trustworthy ones. That's except she's faking the role but who knows

Demon - Already proven so nothing to add here
 

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This is not to defend myself, but to point out James has been lying
 
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