Spoiler One Piece Spoiler Hints Discussion

[baditz]

Nika, Imu, Nidhoggr... Davy Jones does sound like a good candidate for the 4th one

Sun god = nika,,
Forest god = Imu,,
Sea god = Davy,,
Earth god = Nidhog,,

 

[kg21tmac11]

Sun god = nika,,
Forest god = Imu,,
Sea god = Davy,,
Earth god = Nidhog,,

Wouldn’t earth and forest be the same?

 

[Imfamux]

Wouldn’t earth and forest be the same?

No.. Earth = 1st world, the one wth the fire serpent
Forest = 2nd workd, the one who liberated the demons

 

[ShadowHeart]

The 4 God's are obviously Joyboy/Luffy, Davy Jones/Blackbeard, Imu and Poseidon.

 

[baditz]

Wouldn’t earth and forest be the same?

In skypie it mention different,,

 

[ShadowHeart]

Worstgen posted more hints

 

[Sr.Enissay]

The 4 God's are obviously Joyboy/Luffy, Davy Jones/Blackbeard, Imu and Poseidon.

Imu is a devil

 

[Neala897]

 

[SupremeMod]

Imu rode Ningdong.

Joyboy rode Zenusha.

 

[HolyLord]

 

[Federicoxxx]

1182 Unconfirmed spoilers #2

Spoiler

Zoro and Sanji are preparing for a battle.

The way it looks Sanji will be fighting Sommers.

Zoro will be fighting killingham.

Just to confirm Killingham and Sommers both are buffed by Imu’s powers.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Wonder if this is hinting at Imu fearing Poseidon as it's to do with the sea/water.
It does make sense since if the world pretty much runs via sea transportation and that's how the Navy primarily operates, Poseidon who rules the oceans can pretty much destroy the WG.

The WG is pretty much already in trouble simply because the RA have been destroying access to foods via the Bondolas.
If Poseidon decided to destroy any WG related ship, the WG would instantly be cut off completely not just from food, but ability to move around.
The WG created ships that sea creatures can't recognise due to the special undercoating... I'm sure Poseidon could instruct the Sea Kings to pay more attention and destroy any ship that appears to be from the WG.
Poseidon's ability is a lot more terrifying than I gave it credit.

I suspect that even Wano's unnatural defence in the form of the seas insane current (which iirc is created by the Karp swimming) is probably moving on instruction of the last Poseidon. Part of opening Wano's borders probably relies not just on Zunesha destroying the wall around the real Wano, but also probably requires Poseidon instructing the Karp to stop creating the defensive sea currents.

Thinking of it now, Poseidon is the god of the sea... who can stop Poseidon if she decided to simply destroy all ships simply by instructing all seakings all over the world to obey?
The WG is lucky that Shirahoshi is a pacifist that hates violence, and also lucky that King Neptune doesn't try to abuse that power. They're lucky her main role is simply to help move the Noah... they'd be done for if she was to get violent and use her military might.

 

[Core D. Roy]

Well yeah but honestly I care about Nidhogg lore more than Imus. Mainly because I'm curious why War God decided to fight Nika. Sure, I would be happy to know something about Imu but I'd rather know more about characters I actually like.

Considering the very personal way Imu talks about Nidhogg and Nika I'm fairly certain they're all entangled.

Though Imu- their silhouette form at least- is personally entangled with Joyboy.

tinfoil: I'm starting to think that zoans carry haki AND maki of their previous users, which "paint" the hagaromo in awakening of the current user as light or dark. But Imu seems to have fully merged with their devil?? Or something??

Luffy using the maki of Nika would be really interesting

Sun god = nika,,
Forest god = Imu,,
Sea god = Davy,,
Earth god = Nidhog,,

The big question is if these gods as depicted in Harley are referencing the "devils" or the humans who host them or both. I don't think it should be mix-and-match, so Imu shouldn't be there and instead whatever "devil" is of "the devil's fruit" that he has. Or, it's functionally overlapping because this is all in-universe historical mythology:

Sun god = Nika / Joyboy (and now Luffy)
Forest god = ??? devil / Imu
Sea god = ??? devil / Davy
Earth god = Nidhoggr / Elbaf King of the past (and now Loki)

I think the forest and sea gods need a clear successor from the present, and Blackbeard usurping Imu seems the most obvious. But that tangles up Davy's will, unless Davy isn't related to the Sea god at all (I suspect this is the cast, his relation to the bottom of the sea seems to be a prison the same way Imu is imprisoned on top of the Red Line)

 

[kkck]

Hmmm, I don't think it'd make sense thematically for imu to be any of the four gods. Imu as the devil makes more sense as an enemy of all gods.

If I had to guess I would kinda expect the earth and forest gods to not be significant forces in the modern setting. Hundreds of years ago there was a major flood and significant landmasses, continents even, were swallowed by the ocean. With most of the world's land and forests being destroyed like that it just doesn't seem like a natural development that the earth and forest gods are a thing. The caveat to this of course is shirahoshi IF she is both poseidon and the sea god. Which would open up the possibility that there's overlap between pluto and the earth god at least.

And then there's davy jones, former king of the world with whom imu, the devil, made a deal and didn't keep his end of the... deal/covenant. Davy jones being the sea god is not a stretch. Thinking about it, maybe the four gods and ancient weapon thing are a factional thing. We roughly know there was an ancient kingdom the world government went to war with hundreds of years ago. Joyboy tentatively belonged to this kingdom. Maybe the four gods were people on the side of the ancient kingdom while the ancient weapons were on the side of the WG (of course that leaves fishman island and shirahoshi in an awkward position though its worth noting hundreds of years could account for this).

 

[baditz]

Considering the very personal way Imu talks about Nidhogg and Nika I'm fairly certain they're all entangled.

Though Imu- their silhouette form at least- is personally entangled with Joyboy.

tinfoil: I'm starting to think that zoans carry haki AND maki of their previous users, which "paint" the hagaromo in awakening of the current user as light or dark. But Imu seems to have fully merged with their devil?? Or something??

Luffy using the maki of Nika would be really interesting


The big question is if these gods as depicted in Harley are referencing the "devils" or the humans who host them or both. I don't think it should be mix-and-match, so Imu shouldn't be there and instead whatever "devil" is of "the devil's fruit" that he has. Or, it's functionally overlapping because this is all in-universe historical mythology:

Sun god = Nika / Joyboy (and now Luffy)
Forest god = ??? devil / Imu
Sea god = ??? devil / Davy
Earth god = Nidhoggr / Elbaf King of the past (and now Loki)

I think the forest and sea gods need a clear successor from the present, and Blackbeard usurping Imu seems the most obvious. But that tangles up Davy's will, unless Davy isn't related to the Sea god at all (I suspect this is the cast, his relation to the bottom of the sea seems to be a prison the same way Imu is imprisoned on top of the Red Line)

Hmmm, I don't think it'd make sense thematically for imu to be any of the four gods. Imu as the devil makes more sense as an enemy of all gods.

If I had to guess I would kinda expect the earth and forest gods to not be significant forces in the modern setting. Hundreds of years ago there was a major flood and significant landmasses, continents even, were swallowed by the ocean. With most of the world's land and forests being destroyed like that it just doesn't seem like a natural development that the earth and forest gods are a thing. The caveat to this of course is shirahoshi IF she is both poseidon and the sea god. Which would open up the possibility that there's overlap between pluto and the earth god at least.

And then there's davy jones, former king of the world with whom imu, the devil, made a deal and didn't keep his end of the... deal/covenant. Davy jones being the sea god is not a stretch. Thinking about it, maybe the four gods and ancient weapon thing are a factional thing. We roughly know there was an ancient kingdom the world government went to war with hundreds of years ago. Joyboy tentatively belonged to this kingdom. Maybe the four gods were people on the side of the ancient kingdom while the ancient weapons were on the side of the WG (of course that leaves fishman island and shirahoshi in an awkward position though its worth noting hundreds of years could account for this).

Thr concept of "god" in japan are kinda different thought, japan has more than thousands gods, there good god n evil god, in japan god just mean super power spirit being.

 

[Core D. Roy]

Thr concept of "god" in japan are kinda different thought, japan has more than thousands gods, there good god n evil god, in japan god just mean super power spirit being.

uh... if you're talking about shinto, "super power spirit being" isn't the phrase that comes to mind lol. kami in shinto are pretty much gods of *anything*.

also i think it should go without saying that oda isn't just drawing on local religion (though there is a bunch of that peppered throughout). the Harley mythology is borrowing from a lot of different stuff all at once.

 

[Federicoxxx]

1182 Unconfirmed Spoilers #3

This can't be real... where the hell are this people ?

Spoiler

There are many god like Sun/Fire God, Rain/Water God, Earth God, Fire god and what not.

Imu is also a god, and luffy could be another as a Sun god. We are getting identities of the gods in this chapter

 

[kkck]

Thr concept of "god" in japan are kinda different thought, japan has more than thousands gods, there good god n evil god, in japan god just mean super power spirit being.

I feel like this doesn't really answer to anything I said. My post was very much about the OP setting/metaplot.

 

[Phaizzy]

I’m praying these spoilers are false..

if not then I hope these “Gods” are already introduced and not “to come”.

 

[Tonix]

it could be Shiraoshi,,but she just can control the sea Kings..is not like she can make Tsunamis and other stuff..

She probably could if she ever trained and mastered her abilities.

Jimbei can manipulate water and call up whale sharks. She can call up sea kings, so it seems logical that she should have the power to manipulate water at sea king to whale shark scale.

It’s honestly kind of frustrating that Fishman Island didn’t spend all their time training her after finding out she was Poseidon. She has so much potential but Fishman Island just decided not to tap into it. They shouldn’t need to be relying on the protection of a Yonko, or begging the WG to let them join. Pirates passing through should be paying them a toll, and the WG should be begging them to join and reopen shipping lines that she can easily close.