Chapter Tower of God Spin-Off: Urek Mazino Chapter 63 Spoilers & Discussion

[Shiinhye1]

Enjoy turtles

 

[Demonspeed]

Meh
That's what SIU said, Kall dura counter Ha
Kall also said it but Jinsung call him ignorant,
Kall and Jinsung are equivalent that's why SIU also said that Jinsung would have a easier time beating people who can make struggle Kall and vice versa

Jinsung is a solid CC , Kall defense stat are just absurd for his tier

This is something I have criticized before. SIU tries to make Jinsung look better than he is through certain words etc but his feats are actually not that good(Maschenny highlights his durability, Kallavan says he was like the story of martial arts, his nonsensical hand handicap even after two years of healing etc). This is a worse version of what he has been doing with Eduan and the Shinies. Jinsung is simply outclassed by CC in general and the way his fights have been written don't make him look better. The RFC one was cool but it doesn't seem to be something he can do consistently.

You say this about Kallavan but he is still CC tier. He gets decimated by Dumas and co too(got a power up though).Think about these people: Full Power White, Evankhell, Yasratcha, Cha, Yama. Do you believe he is stronger than most of them? He is stronger than Cha and that's a maybe. I don't see him beating any of the others. None of the characters I listed other than White have shown their full power. Decompressed Evankhell didn't get to fight someone at her level. Yama has plenty of losses but right now he is an absolute monster and we still don't know his full power.

We have however seen Jinsung's best move and he keeps spamming it. He has no transformations etc.

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Of course, the most likely scenario is that the actual heavy hitters in the ha family would punch through kallavan with ease.

Exactly. IMO SIU really screwed up with the way he used Jinsung in this part of the arc but he has been consistent with his strength ever since.

Rust isn't even a good excuse because plenty of Rankers/High Rankers don't fight regularly. Dumas was inactive for a while for example.

 

[Realfan]

Of course, the most likely scenario is that the actual heavy hitters in the ha family would punch through kallavan with ease.

Well that's obvious people often forget that the ha family is a female dominated family, males will be looked down upon and the reason ha jinsung is called a prodigy or so respected is because he's probably the only strong male there or the strongest male in the family.
For me jinsung ain't even in the top 20 of the ha family.

 

[undecimber]

Enjoy turtles

Thank you!

QQ for everyone: Do you guys think this snake is the same type Laura hooked up with to give birth to the blonde twin? If so, would she have the power of the Lo Po Bia and Ha families? In which case, would the Ha family protect her too? I'm trying to understand how this new lore ties into the main series...

Also, if the Ha family loves their children, I guess that's why Yuri was spared when she helped Baam at the end of the Hell Train - especially since she's treasured by the Family Head.

 

[Lo Po Bia]

Well, no one expected the top 3 regents to be on a par with Rob or Dumas; we could already tell they would be stronger.
nothing really new on that
the only new thing is Ha slander
All I can see is
EVK: would have killed Yuri in Season 1 if she’d been there
Kallavan: actually tried to kill Jinsung
Kirin: would have killed Yuri, if he hadn’t been worried about Z’s army
Tiara: says that anyone who touches Kirin/Haetae will be executed, regardless of their family ties
Ha are just a bunch of bullies who pick on the weak; strong people don't give a damn about their so-called strong bond of ‘we won't forgive you if you touch a member of our family’

Yes, but let's be honest, Yuri and Jinsung have their strength, but they aren't the elite, they aren't the core of the family. I'm sure there are at least 10 Ha stronger than Jinsung.

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I am not sold on this. Other than the Arie who are definitely portrayed as superior overall, there is nothing like this for other families.

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Russian scans.

I know this must be one of the few things we disagree on haha, and that's okay. Anyway, when you have so many mentions of the three families being on a different level from the others, you have Hon saying that only Ha and Khun can rival the Arie sword (symbol of power of the Arie), and the moment you have Zahard saying that you can't involve one of these families because otherwise it will be chaos, it already shows a lot about the level they must be at. As I said, if we consider that each family has 2 regents, we will have 20 regents. Do we really think that SIU will make them all at the same level? Very difficult, probably the CC of the 1st and 2nd corps are on a different level from Yas, Kallavan, and Lyborick. SIU when it has a group, always puts a small group on another level. You had the BH LPB and you had the top 3 that stood out from the rest for example.

 

[Demonspeed]

Granting someone's wish? Mago would be proud .

Urek has a plan so as long as Dellamod is really honest, things should be fine for him...

Enzo is going to be a problem. I wonder if Baek will end up saying something about him. How much does he know about Urek's strength anyway?

We see a picture with four roses, blades etc. With Yuri having a technique named Rose Shower and the similarities between her and Yurin I guess it's certain that Yurin has something like that.

Is this supposed to be their emblem? Because we saw the 10F emblems before. Was it like this in Urek's era then got updated? Did SIU simply decide to change it?

Well that's obvious people often forget that the ha family is a female dominated family, males will be looked down upon and the reason ha jinsung is called a prodigy or so respected is because he's probably the only strong male there or the strongest male in the family.
For me jinsung ain't even in the top 20 of the ha family.

Aren't you confusing them with the Yeon Family?

Thank you!

QQ for everyone: Do you guys think this snake is the same type Laura hooked up with to give birth to the blonde twin? If so, would she have the power of the Lo Po Bia and Ha families? In which case, would the Ha family protect her too? I'm trying to understand how this new lore ties into the main series...

Also, if the Ha family loves their children, I guess that's why Yuri was spared when she helped Baam at the end of the Hell Train - especially since she's treasured by the Family Head.

They retaliate when their members are in danger but I don't think it means it's out of love all the time. They are territorial. Yuri is loved and she is a Zahard Princess from a 10F and she has a 13MS. She is very, very special. Even Androssi didn't get killed by Kallavan back then.

"Hooked up with"... Yes I think they are similar but not exactly the same type. The twin's case is special and Laura is both Traumerei's wife and his granddaughter, she was already a Lo Po Bia.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Three Shining ones all in place, yeesh.


I really need to Snake lore with that Well and the main body, how does one just create something like Nameless cause someone asked for it.

A Towerborn fully capable of defying the gap between them and the Irregulars so easily.

 

[Big-Bird]

This is something I have criticized before. SIU tries to make Jinsung look better than he is through certain words etc but his feats are actually not that good(Maschenny highlights his durability, Kallavan says he was like the story of martial arts, his nonsensical hand handicap even after two years of healing etc). This is a worse version of what he has been doing with Eduan and the Shinies. Jinsung is simply outclassed by CC in general and the way his fights have been written don't make him look better. The RFC one was cool but it doesn't seem to be something he can do consistently.

You say this about Kallavan but he is still CC tier. He gets decimated by Dumas and co too(got a power up though).Think about these people: Full Power White, Evankhell, Yasratcha, Cha, Yama. Do you believe he is stronger than most of them? He is stronger than Cha and that's a maybe. I don't see him beating any of the others. None of the characters I listed other than White have shown their full power. Decompressed Evankhell didn't get to fight someone at her level. Yama has plenty of losses but right now he is an absolute monster and we still don't know his full power.

We have however seen Jinsung's best move and he keeps spamming it. He has no transformations etc.

I can definitely see Jinsung beating EVK, Yas or Lyb, they don't have Kall dura, so they won’t just brush off his moves the way Kall could

and Jigsung skill gap them in cqc anyway, so either they win from a range, or they just lost, because they certainly won’t win in close combat

We have however seen Jinsung's best move and he keeps spamming it. He has no transformations etc.

Considering all we've been told, it's pretty clear that DTG is a one-shot move against CC tier and even above
so of course he will spam it

Well that's obvious people often forget that the ha family is a female dominated family, males will be looked down upon and the reason ha jinsung is called a prodigy or so respected is because he's probably the only strong male there or the strongest male in the family.
For me jinsung ain't even in the top 20 of the ha family.

20+?
20+ CC tier or above
they have more than 1/5 of all top 100
Damn, sure even them didn't know they have that much

 

[Demonspeed]

Spoiler

When you think they all could be Wolhaiksong leaders in the future, this pic is kinda funny...

I know this must be one of the few things we disagree on haha, and that's okay. Anyway, when you have so many mentions of the three families being on a different level from the others, you have Hon saying that only Ha and Khun can rival the Arie sword (symbol of power of the Arie), and the moment you have Zahard saying that you can't involve one of these families because otherwise it will be chaos, it already shows a lot about the level they must be at. As I said, if we consider that each family has 2 regents, we will have 20 regents. Do we really think that SIU will make them all at the same level? Very difficult, probably the CC of the 1st and 2nd corps are on a different level from Yas, Kallavan, and Lyborick. SIU when it has a group, always puts a small group on another level. You had the BH LPB and you had the top 3 that stood out from the rest for example.

As a whole they are stronger but as of now I just can't see the Khuns or Has having stronger N.2/N.3s simply because of their bloodlines. Same for the Arie actually but their superiority is rather obvious in the story IMO. In the end, FHs balance everything out.

I can definitely see Jinsung beating EVK, Yas or Lyb, they don't have Kall dura, so they won’t just brush off his moves the way Kall could

and Jigsung skill gap them in cqc anyway, so either they win from a range, or they just lost, because they certainly won’t win in close combat


Considering all we've been told, it's pretty clear that DTG is a one-shot move against CC tier and even above
so of course he will spam it


20+?
20+ CC tier or above
they have more than 1/5 of all top 100
Damn, sure even them didn't know they have that much

Skill gap isn't a strong argument when it wasn't enough for him to deal with Kallavan. Jinsung isn't the ultimate CQC guy and they all have their own styles. Fishermen. I didn't mention Lyborick, who was a total joke. Durability isn't the only thing that matters and Jinsung is overall inferior to Kallavan's stats-wise so he is easier to deal with. I don't see how he could beat Yasratcha. If Evankhell is compressed maybe he can beat her but I doubt it. Against an Evankhell at full power he definitely loses.

To me, if Jinsung was really that strong, he should be able to deal with CC using more casual moves but he can't. All he has is DTG. Yes, Kallavan is stronger and more durable but it's a stats difference. If you are confirmed CC you obviously have the means to attack and injure him. I don't agree that it's a guaranteed one-shot move. It's simply his Transcendental Technique.

 

[Vali x lucifer]

DTG is a damn good technique, at least it's better than Kallavan's transcendental skill.

Lyborick wasn't that bad, let's be honest SIU just decided to give Kallavan an ungodly amount of plot armor there with the vapor gimmick. It Healed him back, replenished his stamina AND boosted his power indefinitely because of an element advantage related to the essence of bravery.

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

Pretty sure any other CC would have fallen to DTG.

Kallavan admitted that he wouldnt have survived if there was a followup attack

 

[Demonspeed]

DTG is a damn good technique, at least it's better than Kallavan's transcendental skill.

Lyborick wasn't that bad, let's be honest SIU just decided to give Kallavan an ungodly amount of plot armor there with the vapor gimmick. It Healed him back, replenished his stamina AND boosted his power indefinitely because of an element advantage related to the essence of bravery.

I can't be impressed by someone who ended up losing and was just throwing spears with boiling water. He is definitely not as impressive as Yasratcha.

DTG is good but he is relies too much on it(and fails) so I don't find Jinsung that impressive.

 

[Vali x lucifer]

Pretty sure any other CC would have fallen to DTG.

Kallavan admitted that he wouldnt have survived if there was a followup attack

I don't think they would have been defeated for sure but it definitely is a very dangerous move for anyone around that level

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I would agree in saying that after the Jinsung vs Kallavan fight, DTG was used rather unimpressively by both Jinsung and Baam tho, especially in Baam's case it felt quite forced, it would have been way more hype if Baam theorycrafted a bit on how to make his own version of DTG mixing the original technique with his own power, be it with black shinsu/shinwonryu/transformations, acknowledging the differences between him and Jinsung.

 

[Demonspeed]

I would agree in saying that after the Jinsung vs Kallavan fight, DTG was used rather unimpressively by both Jinsung and Baam tho, especially in Baam's case it felt quite forced, it would have been way more hype if Baam theorycrafted a bit on how to make his own version of DTG mixing the original technique with his own power, be it with black shinsu/shinwonryu/transformations, acknowledging the differences between him and Jinsung.

This! I remember saying that Baam wouldn't use DTG and that his Twin Wings was stronger since it was his own but alas...

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Ngl, Jinsung should have died at LS. Till LS, he had good portrait. Such a shame SIU killed it

 

[Big-Bird]

Skill gap isn't a strong argument when it wasn't enough for him to deal with Kallavan. Jinsung isn't the ultimate CQC guy and they all have their own styles. Fishermen. I didn't mention Lyborick, who was a total joke. Durability isn't the only thing that matters and Jinsung is overall inferior to Kallavan's stats-wise so he is easier to deal with. I don't see how he could beat Yasratcha. If Evankhell is compressed maybe he can beat her but I doubt it. Against an Evankhell at full power he definitely loses.

To me, if Jinsung was really that strong, he should be able to deal with CC using more casual moves but he can't. All he has is DTG. Yes, Kallavan is stronger and more durable but it's a stats difference. If you are confirmed CC you obviously have the means to attack and injure him. I don't agree that it's a guaranteed one-shot move. It's simply his Transcendental Technique.

They’re not Kallavan
Eh, I’d say he is. If we don’t count the irregulars, I don’t think we’ve ever seen a single character we could say is better than Jinsung in close combat. Luslec is my only bet on the matter ,many stat gap him, but no one can outskill him. He’s shown things more impressive than pretty much anyone else

when your durability is so high that almost every hit you take feels like pillows punches, yeah, that makes a big difference

DTG is clearly a one-shot technique
-Jinsung was absolutely certain that Kall would have died instantly
-Hansung said that the only reasons Kall survived DTG was thanks to his Shinsu blessing (which not everyone has) and EOB (which no one else has except him), EOB being the main reason
-Even Jinsung, knowing Dumas’s strenght reputation and having been turned into a porcupine by Dumas, was still quite sure that DTG would kill him

the narrative is clear, you take DTG, you're dead, logic, since it's a piercing technique

 

[Vali x lucifer]

They’re not Kallavan
Eh, I’d say he is. If we don’t count the irregulars, I don’t think we’ve ever seen a single character we could say is better than Jinsung in close combat. Luslec is my only bet on the matter ,many stat gap him, but no one can outskill him. He’s shown things more impressive than pretty much anyone else

when your durability is so high that almost every hit you take feels like pillows punches, yeah, that makes a big difference

DTG is clearly a one-shot technique
-Jinsung was absolutely certain that Kall would have died instantly
-Hansung said that the only reasons Kall survived DTG was thanks to his Shinsu blessing (which not everyone has) and EOB (which no one else has except him), EOB being the main reason
-Even Jinsung, knowing Dumas’s strenght reputation and having been turned into a porcupine by Dumas, was still quite sure that DTG would kill him

the narrative is clear, you take DTG, you're dead, logic, since it's a piercing technique

It's a very high tier floral butterfly piercing technique, it's not melee disconnection.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Im guessing that if the well/serpent is destroyed, then Marie has no obligation and Dela does not need to die!

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

I am surprised seeing the length of the recent chapters.

 

[kkck]

Exactly. IMO SIU really screwed up with the way he used Jinsung in this part of the arc but he has been consistent with his strength ever since.

Rust isn't even a good excuse because plenty of Rankers/High Rankers don't fight regularly. Dumas was inactive for a while for example.

This is something I mention occasionally. SIU gives a video game logic to the story and matchups in theory have a impact on outcomes. However SIU has not actually handled the video game matchup logic all too well. Like, the ha being countered by tough bodies is sort of absurd. That said, body strength is one of the premier "meta" powers in the story. Which makes sense since being invulnerable is obviously OP.

I think the rust thing probably varies a lot. It's hard to say how active or inactive some rankers are. We saw how it had an effect on the match between jinsung and pudily. My guess is that this will matter a fair bit in the future when it comes to jinsung. SIU will use the rust excuse to justify some comical powerup.

 

[Big-Bird]

It's a very high tier floral butterfly piercing technique, it's not melee disconnection.

melee disconnection?
what you mean
i don't think i talked about that