Chapter Tower of God Spin-Off: Urek Mazino Chapter 64 Spoilers & Discussion

[Shiinhye1]

Enjoy turtles

 

[undecimber]

So... are the shining ones like Team Rocket now?

 

[kkck]

Hmm, which one is meowth?

 

[Demonspeed]

So... are the shining ones like Team Rocket now?

But they don't want Edumon?

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

genuinely ridiculous the shinies aren’t getting nervous seeing Urek, their natural predator.

They won't die as long as their gems are not destroyed

 

[kkck]

Bit of a random detail... We have seen that shining ones have some capability to grant wishes for people. And apparently out of sheer dickery they twist and derail said wishes. Mago and Aubrion granting wishes was a big plot point since mago's introduction. They also have their reversals which can be used for them to feed of others in various ways. Now, during the floor of death we learned a bit about Garam's and Urek's past and we know urek refused to grant Garam's wish of killing zahard. IIRC because he didn't feel he had a stake in that. Or maybe he just doesn't like doing what others ask. Anyways, seeing how shining ones can grant arbitrary wishes I wonder if the situation here is not that garam asked urek to go and viciously beat zahard until he was dead but rather she was wishing for him to just die. I suppose there's a chance that Garam didn't care which.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Bit of a random detail... We have seen that shining ones have some capability to grant wishes for people. And apparently out of sheer dickery they twist and derail said wishes. Mago and Aubrion granting wishes was a big plot point since mago's introduction. They also have their reversals which can be used for them to feed of others in various ways. Now, during the floor of death we learned a bit about Garam's and Urek's past and we know urek refused to grant Garam's wish of killing zahard. IIRC because he didn't feel he had a stake in that. Or maybe he just doesn't like doing what others ask. Anyways, seeing how shining ones can grant arbitrary wishes I wonder if the situation here is not that garam asked urek to go and viciously beat zahard until he was dead but rather she was wishing for him to just die. I suppose there's a chance that Garam didn't care which.

Probably extends beyond that.

Season 1 Urek based on the way he spoke seems like there would be a massive power vacuum to fill if Zahard were to suddenly die and he'd be looked at as the one to fill it.

But that's just one thing, I think his decision will come down to whatever he learns deeper on into his climb that will make him change his mind.

But Season 3 Urek also spoke like he has a set time period or event where he would be allowing Family Heads to die and felt like it was too early for it to happen just yet.


There's quite a lot of stuff that can be explored as part of why Urek remained so passive beyond just not caring about Zahard anymore nor is he willing to become King.

 

[B.Nixus3]

Probably extends beyond that.

Season 1 Urek based on the way he spoke seems like there would be a massive power vacuum to fill if Zahard were to suddenly die and he'd be looked at as the one to fill it.

But that's just one thing, I think his decision will come down to whatever he learns deeper on into his climb that will make him change his mind.

But Season 3 Urek also spoke like he has a set time period or event where he would be allowing Family Heads to die and felt like it was too early for it to happen just yet.


There's quite a lot of stuff that can be explored as part of why Urek remained so passive beyond just not caring about Zahard anymore nor is he willing to become King.

Based on the way Urek acts, it seems he's well aware that almost any major involvement he has can change history for the planet/system/tower (in this case), & his "role" is more of (and I know this will sound bad) "real" archangel in that his goal is inherently 4th dimensional to tower residents (they don't know of the outside world & even outside, Urek sits at the top table) & he's merely there to support the being this tower was created for.

In the same as how he & the shinies have talked about the residents of this tower (Jahad & GW included at the same level as the residents), they were having a conversation akin to what I imagine angels and demons would have. If you look at them from this standpoint, they are no longer characters like everyone else in the story, side, FH, or even (current) Baam: their actions should be considered interference, where if they do something beyond a small scope, they are wrecking the environment, people, & history, with no REAL benefit for themselves. There's emphasis on that last part.

Urek isn't doing anything more than he's already doing because, as angels (theoretically) do, they let people make their own decisions, and like Mago (demonic), they possess people lol

 

[Fortress of Solitude]

he's merely there to support the being this tower was created for.

It's strange, he entered the Tower knowing nothing and acts like he won't be involved...
Maybe he just waiting the right moment, why didn't he leave the Tower long ago?
What Phantaminum expects when he took Urek in this Tower? The wave of Baek? Somethig bigger I suppose.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Based on the way Urek acts, it seems he's well aware that almost any major involvement he has can change history for the planet/system/tower (in this case), & his "role" is more of (and I know this will sound bad) "real" archangel in that his goal is inherently 4th dimensional to tower residents (they don't know of the outside world & even outside, Urek sits at the top table) & he's merely there to support the being this tower was created for.

In the same as how he & the shinies have talked about the residents of this tower (Jahad & GW included at the same level as the residents), they were having a conversation akin to what I imagine angels and demons would have. If you look at them from this standpoint, they are no longer characters like everyone else in the story, side, FH, or even (current) Baam: their actions should be considered interference, where if they do something beyond a small scope, they are wrecking the environment, people, & history, with no REAL benefit for themselves. There's emphasis on that last part.

Urek isn't doing anything more than he's already doing because, as angels (theoretically) do, they let people make their own decisions, and like Mago (demonic), they possess people lol

Yeah true on that one, if there's anyone who understands roles and places in the Universe and then free will plus Fate it would definitely be Urek more than anyone.

With how many things he's aware of at the same time, he knows damn well too that he can't shift things too much.

He's not there to make a new wave and cause the chaos that would bring change, I'm pretty sure that when we reach the FOD it would be infinitely reinforcemed more in what he'll come to understand and learn.

Urek knows his domain and keeps to it the best he can, but it also seems like he's not that entirely separated from it too as Season 3 I mentioned once before gave Urek a weird statement when it came to the Family heads.

It seems that as much as Urek is refusing to interfere with things, he's also waiting for something or some sort of a situation that would allow him to change stuff without affecting or disrupting the Path of the Tower still and it's meant to create.


Gustang did mention Urek being in the Tower made no sense.

 

[B.Nixus3]

It's strange, he entered the Tower knowing nothing and acts like he won't be involved...
Maybe he just waiting the right moment, why didn't he leave the Tower long ago?
What Phantaminum expects when he took Urek in this Tower? The wave of Baek? Somethig bigger I suppose.

He was initially chasing Phantaminum, but Phantaminum entered the tower with the purpose of:
1. Stopping the creation of a new axis or
2. Getting the new axis to join (under) him if he couldn't stop it

Urek is kind of doing the same thing, with 1 caveat:
Urek isn't able to get out of the tower yet. If you notice, Urek has an interest in Baam (and in particular, NOT V's presence within him), & might even have his own plan to have Baam become the (neutral???) axis between himself and Phantaminum or just a light axis to defeat Phantaminum.

Note that I didn't say "good" axis, because in my opinion, while Urek might be likeable, we can't definitively say that Phantaminum is "bad" (yet) can we? Also, in watching Baam when he took on White, it's also clear that Baam has the potential to become an evil axis as well, depending on the experiences which will change his perspective in the tower. He could even become more reviled than The Useless One.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

The thing I don't get it is why didn't phanta took care of urek first? Why focus on emergence of second axis when another much more direct rival axis in urek exist? Shouldn't phanta with shining ones deal with urek first? Seems strange.

 

[kkck]

Aubryon's words are somewhat ambiguous but how I interpreted them is that their goal was to prevent a new axis from being born and take it's power for themselves. Or just for Phantaminum. It's not that insane an idea for phanta to gain more power first and then deal with urek.

 

[B.Nixus3]

The thing I don't get it is why didn't phanta took care of urek first? Why focus on emergence of second axis when another much more direct rival axis in urek exist? Shouldn't phanta with shining ones deal with urek first? Seems strange.

Perhaps in the initial conflict, Phanta was weakened as well? If Urek had come to be after the shining ones were already "jaded" be would've had to have been made to be far more powerful, & who's to say the shining ones aren't under Phantaminum against their will?

More likely is that Urek managed to escape & grow more powerful in some hidden place until he recovered enough to defeat Phantaminum & now that Phantaminum recognized it, he ran into the tower to trap Urek while he himself grew more powerful outside the tower?? All conjectures here, but it's certain that after the tower is completed, one of the two will definitely lose if the tower's axis isn't neutral.

 

[Demonspeed]

The thing I don't get it is why didn't phanta took care of urek first? Why focus on emergence of second axis when another much more direct rival axis in urek exist? Shouldn't phanta with shining ones deal with urek first? Seems strange.

I am pretty sure that Phanta has plans for Urek and it's possible that he lured him in the Tower. Urek also already exists. He is the last, brightest Shiny.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

The thing I don't get it is why didn't phanta took care of urek first? Why focus on emergence of second axis when another much more direct rival axis in urek exist? Shouldn't phanta with shining ones deal with urek first? Seems strange.

I think Pillars are immortal. That's why he never took care of UM. So he sealed him inside the tower for eternity???

--- Double Post Merged, May 15, 2026, Original Post Date: May 15, 2026 ---

Rereading the spin off it suddenly dawned on me why GOG said GWs were destined to fail.

So far inside TOG there are 2 pillars. Both have pure power of light and darkness respectively. They are born out of these powers. But if GWs or others who enter the tower who weren't born out of shinsu they were destined to fail. Since a towerborn can never be irregular. They would likely die if they go outside.

So having a new born die likely started this cause and effect thing and sealed Jahad's fate. That would explain why OG was intered in tower born body than irregular. Maybe V knew about it and that's why he took over his son's body who is a towerborn. That would explain why Arlene was so sure tower will be led to new heights if night entered the tower.

 

[kkck]

Hmmm, so what happened to urek's test now? If delamod died like that did they all pass or does it count as a fail since someone else did it? I suppose an outcome like this was obvious as killing a ranker in a test, which means this is pretty damn official, would be problematic lore wise as urek is not officially recorded ever killing rankers in the main story during his climb.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Hmmm, so what happened to urek's test now? If delamod died like that did they all pass or does it count as a fail since someone else did it? I suppose an outcome like this was obvious as killing a ranker in a test, which means this is pretty damn official, would be problematic lore wise as urek is not officially recorded ever killing rankers in the main story during his climb.

Delamond won't die, he's just badly hurt for now.

 

[Strange]

i Hope this chapter wont be boring

--- Double Post Merged, May 18, 2026, Original Post Date: May 18, 2026 ---

would be epic if there will be 2 chapters