Games Mafia Game 141 - Kingdom - End Game

[shinobi]

Because of the illu or did I overlook something? I imagine a dead general on any side - aka special illu - would lose its perk.

It's in the rules, if the vengeful killed a mafia general, or a townie one, they don't die.

1. The first player lynched, on Day 1, gains the power of the Vengeful Townie role - they can shoot a player on Night 1. This cannot kill players with the "General" secondary role.

 

[Farfalla]

Ok soon I'll be done being late...

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The real deal with RNG and the politicians, whenever mafia or town, are that on day 2 the least voted will die, meaning its a massive favor for Mafia as long as one town is at 0 votes. Which, with a Mafia politician they can easily achieve. Plus if worst come to worst they can just vote on one of them to get 1 vote and stay above the 0 vote players.

But that could be nice for us, I doubt that mafia will leave any member at 0, and that's something for us to watch, even if they'll be mindful of it.
I guess all players will start to farm votes, but I imagine that mafia may bond to prevent a team casualty, that requires more joint effort than simply preventing a single member from not dying. And yep, I was late on tagging you as well, even if I don't like your hint (not a fan of subjective ones).

 

[Natasha]

Aight, here I am. Still gotta backread but wanted to leave comments on the mech.

So Fire of Will looks like a nice late game mech, but I'm not sure I'm too fond of Vestige of War. I love the concept of having players staying longer in the game, and trusted ones being able to continue to input in the discussions is valuable, even if they can't directly affect phase outcome. But on the other hand, scums are ahead of us at knowing who can't affect a lynch, which is a good advantage that our stategem provides them @.@ For example, maybe they won't have to stick their neck to save a peer cause they have a better glimpse than us at how the lynch is going. We can run elim processes when some players stop getting feedback, or a lynch won't go how it should be and we can narrow down illus, but still. Not sure if I'm being pessimistic here, but nope, this one ain't my cup of tea. Free for all I'm still over the fence about... it can seem nice on paper but we make a ruckus in last mins with 2 votes already, add that to a possible illu fest and voting roles that aren't blocked in the last hour and I rly think we are left with lil agency over our main weapon against scums - lynches.

Preordained and Spy Network are such great perks as well ç.ç By the rules, mafia would have around 4 members so that's 4 role count guesses per day. So here I hope any retrograte planet will make them all guess the same shit this phase and I wish upon them a lot of brainfarts along the game, you can count on bad energy being sent your way '-' Just share the sob stories later, onegai ^_^ That's when I also hope that we have TPs in game so mafos have a small team~

The possible roles being added to the game seem okayish, I guess most have their nice perks but some cons or irrelevant moments, but any of them - even the townie one - could serve to add even more volatily and confusion to the game, so woof.

I'm quite fond of Vestige of War since its main downside is mitigated by a strong town-core, which mafia can't silence.

But ultimately Vestige and Free-For-All serve to buffer Fire of Will which is really good.

Preordained needs to go, Spy Network is what it is we can't really counterplay it unless we just don't hint and it's too late for that.

 

[Holt]

Im here late and will still need a bit more time too. Will put on my avi later, already have Gry a heads-up I’ll be a bit busy. That said, I like the mech, looks pretty fun.

Considering the theme I’ll just say for my hint it’ll be wise not to cross me

 

[Teubier]

@NashSilver
On a scale of not at all my poor lad to fully my cutie patootie, how much can I trust you in this game?
@digitaldude
Today’s wordle is: fluff.

 

[James Rye]

Ah sorry about that request, I was behind at reading.

So right now, if it's not due to being late again, @James Rye and @Demonspeed are the ones that came by and disregarded hinting

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They should cause investigating is prio 2 and killing is prio 3.

Problem with hinting is, as long as Mafia got their network they can use our hints with their spy network findings to determine what roles we got. Example: You claimed passive. Now technically, 4 Mafias could just go through the passive list and at some point if there's a 1 among many 0s, they know your role. Ofc they won't do such a thing for a passive role, but even 0s will help them a lot actually.
Like any 0 they ask for a role is a perfect hiding spot for them. >.<

 

[Farfalla]

I mean it's in the best interest of a mafia mason to be recruited so asking for it or pretending to be a convenient role for it is a red flag. But we don't even know for sure if there is one or not, so it could be a genuine offer or not, hard to tell.

Well he did talk as if he's on the belief that we got a MR (and MM) for sure. It could be due to being a MM or to reading too quickly, but it's something to be pointed out.

 

[James Rye]

The only way for that to not happening would be a mass role reveal of town day 1 so Mafia is forced to claim roles before their spy net work tells them what's save to pick. And we all know how mass role day 1 reveals then to work out. Not very well since we usually never have every town on board with such a move for many good reasons.

 

[Farfalla]

I'm quite fond of Vestige of War since its main downside is mitigated by a strong town-core, which mafia can't silence.

'-'

 

[James Rye]

Well he did talk as if he's on the belief that we got a MR (and MM) for sure. It could be due to being a MM or to reading too quickly, but it's something to be pointed out.

Why wouldn't we? With a Mafia strat like spy network that tells them the amount of asked roles in-game, the only way to influence that is through role-changes:
Mason Recruiter
Pirate/Mafia Pirate
Apprentice
Mentor and such are the only ones who can force a role change upon other players or themselves.
A MR who can use his/her ability over and over again, whereas the others are more limited in their role change abilities, seems like an intuitive pick to mess with the Mafia's network findings.

 

[Natasha]

@NashSilver
On a scale of not at all my poor lad to fully my cutie patootie, how much can I trust you in this game?

FULLY MY CUTE SOLDIER

I've perhaps laid one singular trap already but beyond that I see no reason to spin a web with what I'm dealt so you should take me at face value.

I have also spent an actual hour of my life trying to piece your hint together and got nowhere with any degree of confidence. Historically, that means you're town.

I now know useless dbz Lore and got annoyed at google AI summary sending me on a goose chase for where that waltuh white wink scene is from. And the album from the first hint had... interesting music videos.

 

[Farfalla]

Problem with hinting is, as long as Mafia got their network they can use our hints with their spy network findings to determine what roles we got. Example: You claimed passive. Now technically, 4 Mafias could just go through the passive list and at some point if there's a 1 among many 0s, they know your role. Ofc they won't do such a thing for a passive role, but even 0s will help them a lot actually.
Like any 0 they ask for a role is a perfect hiding spot for them. >.<

They don't need our active / passive / had it / never had it hints to check for what interests them.
I have the same opinion I always had - letting scums fly around the game being able to claim things once they have intel to perfectly blend in instead of struggling to sustain their bits ain't something I favor. Maybe because I got screwed enough as scum due to that, who knows. I still see relevant benefit in properly hitting on D1 and like it / don't like it means nothing, plus what Juvs pointed out.

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Why wouldn't we? With a Mafia strat like spy network that tells them the amount of asked roles in-game, the only way to influence that is through role-changes:
Mason Recruiter
Pirate/Mafia Pirate
Apprentice
Mentor and such are the only ones who can force a role change upon other players or themselves.
A MR who can use his/her ability over and over again, whereas the others are more limited in their role change abilities, seems like an intuitive pick to mess with the Mafia's network findings.

Sure, looks plausible indeed. But being certain of things is another story.

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I'm finally up to date @.@v right before my next meeting, yay

 

[Juviii]

Petition to pile votes on Panda for being late to give him a mini heart attack before reading that we can all change our votes.

Votekill Panda

 

[Natasha]

'-'

Do you disagree?

I have the same opinion I always had - letting scums fly around the game being able to claim things once they have intel to perfectly blend in instead of struggling to sustain their bits ain't something I favor. Maybe because I got screwed enough as scum due to that, who knows. I still see relevant benefit in properly hitting on D1 and like it / don't like it means nothing, plus what Juvs pointed out.

I feel like full claiming is better than hinting because hinting always favours the side with more information to work with.
But I also think full claiming is boring so eh. Same issue I had last game when Janitor forced our hand to claim.

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Petition to pile votes on Panda for being late to give him a mini heart attack before reading that we can all change our votes.

Votekill Panda

Bet

Votekill Panda

 

[James Rye]

They don't need our active / passive / had it / never had it hints to check for what interests them.
I have the same opinion I always had - letting scums fly around the game being able to claim things once they have intel to perfectly blend in instead of struggling to sustain their bits ain't something I favor. Maybe because I got screwed enough as scum due to that, who knows. I still see relevant benefit in properly hitting on D1 and like it / don't like it means nothing, plus what Juvs pointed out.

Well, in that case: My role is active. But it's one of the less exciting part of the town active roles.

Petition to pile votes on Panda for being late to give him a mini heart attack before reading that we can all change our votes.

Votekill Panda

Oh, that's so evil.
I like it.
Votekill Panda

 

[SirSamuel016]

I might've missed a couple but here's what we've got so far hint-wise:

Day 1 Hints/Claims:
Bran: I am an instinctive warrior who intends to create a great blaze on the night battlefield (= hint: active). (#3)
Teub: insert his nonsense here (#4); New role for me (therefore you can cross out Freeman, Doctor and Necromancer). And to perfectly honest, it is one out of two roles that I was hoping to get for the previous MG, alongside Serial Killer. So I’m satisfied and grateful. A passive role. With an added bonus. (#35)
Sam: I have experience with my role, not one of my favourites (Active). (#12)
Nash: Hint: I've had my role before, but this time I carry more responsibility (#15)
Shinobi: New role for me, I'm happy to get it ~ (#16)
Juviii: Never had the role before. Now back to bed. (#26)
Stylether: Oh, for the record, I too haven't had this role before. : (#28); But yeah, same here, as the heir of the Ou family I too must take an active role in these troubling times. (#67)
Erin: as for my role i had it. (#39); btw i dont have any secondary role (#82)
Farf: I iz passive btw and dunno who my girl is but she looks badass~ (#65)
Lambu: My role is an old role, active, had it before aswell. (#66)
James: Hmm, it's okaish? I don't really like it tbh. It doesn't provide much for town. If MR has no clear target for tonight and reads this, I don't mind trading this role for Mason role. (#72)
Holt: Considering the theme I’ll just say for my hint it’ll be wise not to cross me (#104)

 

[James Rye]

I might've missed a couple but here's what we've got so far hint-wise:

Day 1 Hints/Claims:
Bran: I am an instinctive warrior who intends to create a great blaze on the night battlefield (= hint: active). (#3)
Teub: insert his nonsense here (#4); New role for me (therefore you can cross out Freeman, Doctor and Necromancer). And to perfectly honest, it is one out of two roles that I was hoping to get for the previous MG, alongside Serial Killer. So I’m satisfied and grateful. A passive role. With an added bonus. (#35)
Sam: I have experience with my role, not one of my favourites (Active). (#12)
Nash: Hint: I've had my role before, but this time I carry more responsibility (#15)
Shinobi: New role for me, I'm happy to get it ~ (#16)
Juviii: Never had the role before. Now back to bed. (#26)
Stylether: Oh, for the record, I too haven't had this role before. : (#28); But yeah, same here, as the heir of the Ou family I too must take an active role in these troubling times. (#67)
Erin: as for my role i had it. (#39); btw i dont have any secondary role (#82)
Farf: I iz passive btw and dunno who my girl is but she looks badass~ (#65)
Lambu: My role is an old role, active, had it before aswell. (#66)
James: Hmm, it's okaish? I don't really like it tbh. It doesn't provide much for town. If MR has no clear target for tonight and reads this, I don't mind trading this role for Mason role. (#72)
Holt: Considering the theme I’ll just say for my hint it’ll be wise not to cross me (#104)

Yeah, I posted a new hint just above your post if you wanna add it.

 

[Teubier]

Petition to pile votes on Panda for being late to give him a mini heart attack before reading that we can all change our votes.

Votekill Panda

Nice! That will allow me to check something.

VOTEKILL COPY PANDA!

 

[Farfalla]

Do you disagree?

About the town power of friendship? I wholeheartedly do '-'

 

[Natasha]

About the town power of friendship? I wholeheartedly do '-'

Add mech clears to the backbone of that friendship and suddenly it seems a lot more powerful >:3