Chapter Tower of God Spin-Off: Urek Mazino Chapter 67 Spoilers & Discussion

[Shiinhye1]

Enjoy turtles

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Btw I have been thinking about this ever since it's said Baek has Irregulars power. Can he kill 10 FLs.

We do know in hindsight it's almost impossible but it's because of the belief that they can only use shinsu. Guardians have full authority over it. Like for instance Valhalla is a towerborn too but it possessed Traumerei, an irregular's power and said could kill Gussy, a FL. So question is if they utilize power which isn't shinsu, can they kill 10 FLs?

Potentially speaking yes, because that would be a power not under the Admins authority thereby creating a loophole.


But Baek's power isn't directly the Irregular's power, it's passed down and manifests sometimes through generations.

The first generation who received it is probably gonna have much better chances killing a Family Head with that power.

But as at this point, it wouldn't be the same as say Urek handing someone purely the power of his own Light and then said person using it to kill a Family head.

 

[PPower]

Potentially speaking yes, because that would be a power not under the Admins authority thereby creating a loophole.


But Baek's power isn't directly the Irregular's power, it's passed down and manifests sometimes through generations.

The first generation who received it is probably gonna have much better chances killing a Family Head with that power.

But as at this point, it wouldn't be the same as say Urek handing someone purely the power of his own Light and then said person using it to kill a Family head.

I think yes, but in an another way. Being inherited doesn’t make something weaker. In real life, when someone inherits a company, property, or anything valuable, once the original owner is gone, that property fully belongs to the one who inherits it. It is not a downgraded version. So if Baek awakened that power, then he is using the same source, not a weaker copy of it. The real difference is how it works. His ability is passive and more like manifestation, so it doesn’t follow normal scaling in the first place.

At this point, his passive might just drag Zahard ass out of that red trash bin

 

[Ray Barracuda]

I think yes, but in an another way. Being inherited doesn’t make something weaker. In real life, when someone inherits a company, property, or anything valuable, once the original owner is gone, that property fully belongs to the one who inherits it. It is not a downgraded version. So if Baek awakened that power, then he is using the same source, not a weaker copy of it. The real difference is how it works. His ability is passive and more like manifestation, so it doesn’t follow normal scaling in the first place.

At this point, his passive might just drag Zahard ass out of that red trash bin

There's that point but also, the power has been staying in Towerborns for generations and has become part of the Tower because Baek was naturally born with it as a Towerborn it's in his bloodline and therefore he is under the Admins authority.


Just as Enne isn't capable of killing a Family head just because she inherited the blood of Blossom and Gustang and maybe their abilities too.

It's no longer the Irregular's power itself anymore purely as it was anymore, hence why I heavily doubt he could kill a Family head.

It's definitely problematic as hell though, who knows maybe one day he can pull something that's capable of killing a Family head from the Tower, heck he already potentially has and is gonna pull out something even more.


So Baek himself may not be able to handle a FH directly, however he's a wildcard.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Potentially speaking yes, because that would be a power not under the Admins authority thereby creating a loophole.


But Baek's power isn't directly the Irregular's power, it's passed down and manifests sometimes through generations.

The first generation who received it is probably gonna have much better chances killing a Family Head with that power.

But as at this point, it wouldn't be the same as say Urek handing someone purely the power of his own Light and then said person using it to kill a Family head.

Then Mago plus nameless cant kill Jahad?

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Then Mago plus nameless cant kill Jahad?

Oh no, Nameless via Mago can very much kill Irregulars including Zahard.

Mago's power isn't affected by being in Nameless, there's no clash plus Mago herself is still present.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Btw I have been thinking about this ever since it's said Baek has Irregulars power. Can he kill 10 FLs.

When?! What irregular power lol?!?!

 

[LeafDragoon]

Hmm, to me it'd be quite questionable that Rachel's mom could come from the dump. Rachel seems to be strictly an outside character.

The reason I believe that Rachel and Bam were in the Red Garbage Dump before entering the tower is because during the final test when Rachel asks Bam if he knows why she wants to see the stars, he says he doesn't know then she asks him if he remembers what she told him about the world above, and Bam talks about how it's supposed to be a Paradise. However, the way that scene is framed seems to imply it's not a paradise.
Bam tells Rachel before entering the spirit room on the Floor of Death that he suspects that place wasn't really a Paradise.
Rachel also spoke of being sick and tired of living "this dark world".
It also doesn't make sense why she would want to see the stars unless they're not visible from where she came from.

 

[SOOKIE!]

If the well plot is gonna finally start to give us some answers as to why the heck the admins even agreed to any of this stuff with the ages I'm all for it.

If the tower's purpose is to make an axis and to do that someone has to reach the top, i don't really understand what the admins hope to gain by letting a bunch of failures who couldn't reach the top become gods of the portion they managed to finish. Who benefits from the existence of the Jahad empire? What do the admins get out of letting the great families run an easier testing system?

also, why does making an axis require making so many untold numbers of innocent bystanders in the form of towerborns? The underlying mechanics of all this stuff has always felt a little sparse and it's by far the thing that bugs me the most when i read.

 

[Demonspeed]

Said a long time ago that all the missing Zahard Princesses could be in the Red Dump.

Still not clear if the wells lead to them, but it's becoming more likely.

Btw I have been thinking about this ever since it's said Baek has Irregulars power. Can he kill 10 FLs.

We do know in hindsight it's almost impossible but it's because of the belief that they can only use shinsu. Guardians have full authority over it. Like for instance Valhalla is a towerborn too but it possessed Traumerei, an irregular's power and said could kill Gussy, a FL. So question is if they utilize power which isn't shinsu, can they kill 10 FLs?

No he can't. He isn't strong enough and isn't an Irregular. Following that logic, FH's descendants have Irregular powers too since their abilities are hereditary in general.

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??? You think Baam is stronger?

 

[undefined]

The difference between regents and TTs isn't that big compared to FLs and TTs. U sound like they are regulars and HRs. It's obvious regents like Dumas would be able to give them some tough love.

There is a statement placing Adori above Dumas, Proust, and Tiara combined, and another placing Luslec far above Robadon and Kirin combined. There is also a statement implying that the Princesses are stronger than all Great Family Regents combined (with Adori likely representing the majority of that power). Adori also one shot Proust with a nameless slash while he had a barrier up. So it is not like he was caught completely off guard. He was already in a defensive position and still got one shot lol.

The gap between the TTs and Regents has consistently been portrayed as massive. Regents like Dumas would get neg diffed by TTs such as Adori and Luslec.

I used to think the gap between TTs and FHs was greater than the gap between TTs and Regents, but I no longer believe that is true.

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Adori could be "stronger" than some FHs probably, and if she has a way to properly seal them, she could technically beat them in a fight. Remember, while FHs might have some particular advantages from admins (pseudo-immortality, being the only big one, afaik), they all use borrowed power, borrowed from the Tower's creator.

Actually, i'd say that its similar/equivalent to the situation between regulars and rankers. While rankers get their privileges from the tower's system, there have been cases of regulars defeating rankers, as we know. even if its the exception. The same way, the peak towerborns are likely able to overpower "weaker" irregulars.. Also, thryssas, snake, ancients, whatever, seem to be kinda different in a way. Not to mention, Baek. Nevertheless, their powers still work through shinsoo.

If Adori were that strong then Jahad would have sent her to fight Gustang instead of Traumerei. Luslec also looked quite nervous in front of an exhausted Gustang and Traumerei. He did not even attempt to attack and remained in a defensive stance the entire time. The Family Heads are just much stronger than Adori and Luslec.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

No he can't. He isn't strong enough and isn't an Irregular. Following that logic, FH's descendants have Irregular powers too since their abilities are hereditary in general.

This is different. I am not talking about being strong or not, I am talking about whether he is like Rachel. Can he theoretically kill FLs?

Leviathan is a towerborn too like Valhalla, it shouldn't be able to kill 10 FLs and we are here

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There is a statement placing Adori above Dumas, Proust, and Tiara combined, and another placing Luslec far above Robadon and Kirin combined. There is also a statement implying that the Princesses are stronger than all Great Family Regents combined (with Adori likely representing the majority of that power). Adori also one shot Proust with a nameless slash while he had a barrier up. So it is not like he was caught completely off guard. He was already in a defensive position and still got one shot lol.

The gap between the TTs and Regents has consistently been portrayed as massive. Regents like Dumas would get neg diffed by TTs such as Adori and Luslec.

I used to think the gap between TTs and FHs was greater than the gap between TTs and Regents, but I no longer believe that is true.

U do realize right? It's kind of self glaze since its their underling talking about their leader. Ofc they would hype their leader. Unless the opponent is hyping about it, it's useless to me.

For instance, Adori one, it's said she could do all 3 missions and yet we know, she cannot eradicate FUG, since it's a religion.

 

[Demonspeed]

There is a statement placing Adori above Dumas, Proust, and Tiara combined, and another placing Luslec far above Robadon and Kirin combined. There is also a statement implying that the Princesses are stronger than all Great Family Regents combined (with Adori likely representing the majority of that power). Adori also one shot Proust with a nameless slash while he had a barrier up. So it is not like he was caught completely off guard. He was already in a defensive position and still got one shot lol.

The gap between the TTs and Regents has consistently been portrayed as massive. Regents like Dumas would get neg diffed by TTs such as Adori and Luslec.

I used to think the gap between TTs and FHs was greater than the gap between TTs and Regents, but I no longer believe that is true.

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If Adori were that strong then Jahad would have sent her to fight Gustang instead of Traumerei. Luslec also looked quite nervous in front of an exhausted Gustang and Traumerei. He did not even attempt to attack and remained in a defensive stance the entire time. The Family Heads are just much stronger than Adori and Luslec.

Adori one shot Proust and many other Rankers so Luslec can definitely do that but Yuri's statement should definitely not be taken seriously. It's to look good in front of Tiara.

 

[Strange]

The reason I believe that Rachel and Bam were in the Red Garbage Dump before entering the tower is because during the final test when Rachel asks Bam if he knows why she wants to see the stars, he says he doesn't know then she asks him if he remembers what she told him about the world above, and Bam talks about how it's supposed to be a Paradise. However, the way that scene is framed seems to imply it's not a paradise.
Bam tells Rachel before entering the spirit room on the Floor of Death that he suspects that place wasn't really a Paradise.
Rachel also spoke of being sick and tired of living "this dark world".
It also doesn't make sense why she would want to see the stars unless they're not visible from where she came from.

Since in my mind Baam is product of pentaminum it makes perfect sense otherwise why the hell rachel needs to climb tower to see stars ? aren't stars on the outside if she is from the outside ? LOL plus ppl always glaze the zahard smybol in a cave and they all think its outside symbol LOL yet they just dont realize that symbol is from inside LOL

who is the brave and can answer me why rachel needs to see stars if she is from the outside ? LOL darkness = tower even urek has said that word , rachel hated dark because she is from the inside of the tower and all ppl who lived in a tower knew about it only those outsiders i.e axisers or those who are blessed they dont give a ratss ass about TOWER LOL only braindeads like shinies or penta care about that urek doesn't care at all only shits like penta care and like shinies .

wont be surprised so called outside god is inside of the tower LOL because Gods are axisers and above axisers there are two light and darkness . light creator of all and darkness as just void or nothing / nothingness .

and outside tower doesn't literally mean that is the outside LOL the only ones who know outside like their five fingers are shining ones urek penta and that axiser that gave power to baek, rest are clueless kids without any power and without any ability to fly or to know anything first cuz they were kids and second they have had no power to get anywhere and to know anything .


and i will add to that that only towerborns knew about the tower not the outsiders , urek didn't even knew that tower existed at all yet he is gazziliard years old LOL rachel and ppl are of the tower and baam never went to the outside at all LOL if he was then there is no way rachel would say a word "Darkness", since when outside there is darkness ? urek and emperor were outside yet there was no darkness at all LOL


rachel and baam were always inside of the tower and hedon simply had taken them into tower because hedon can go anywhere in the tower without any exception .


Ppl see the doors from the inside of the tower from the outside there are no doors and never have been . ppl even can see doors from one floor to another so all answers are there

 

[illThinkANameLater]

If Adori were that strong then Jahad would have sent her to fight Gustang instead of Traumerei.

1) As we know, FHs have their special immortality status, and on top of that, nowhere did I say that Adori could take a FH with ease and risk no serious damage in return. Even Z himself couldn't be sure of that, at least for the stronger FHs.. i'd assume.
2) This follows to the second point, that Adori and Traum have different strategic importance for Z, despite both being (allegedly) loyal to him, and it isnt merely about power, since at this level those are not all uniform pawns.
3) It wasn't Jahad who sent Traumerei "one-sidedly", it was also that Gustang had beef (more than anyone) with Traum. If he really was playing the game as you stated it, he could have sent both Traum and Adori to jump Gustang as the same time, and im pretty sure that Adori would have been of significant help in this scenario. Id say, this is just the warm-up/opening move for whatevers going on long term..
4) Jahad/Zahard can peek into the future so there may be factors we dont yet know.

As I said, we will have to wait for S4, but i highly doubt that Adori (and, especially, Enne/Anne) wont have at least relative relevance, power wise, to a single family head, at this point in the story.This isnt a story that goes on authority alone, i.e. the Zahard army would be irrelevant otherwise, as this isnt some strategy-focused battle comic, but despite all the games and plays and stuff, its about power in the end.

And also i would add that, this spin off, have made the FHs seem less special,with shinsoo being borrowed power, the shinnies and all these new beings (snake etc), which might have some intention behind it, OK.

 

[Strange]

FHs seem less special

They always were

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Adori one shot Proust and many other Rankers so Luslec can definitely do that but Yuri's statement should definitely not be taken seriously. It's to look good in front of Tiara.

I mean it's not that much of a wrong statement of Yuri. Princesses were able to capture Anne on their own. For those who believe Anne was TT, it's a great feat for the princess fandom. I think they can take on all families barring top 3 families.

 

[PPower]

@Ray Barracuda @Demonspeed @Anne isn't a TT

As of now, in the Urek story, Baek can’t directly kill an FH. He’s still a child who is learning his power, and we haven’t seen him use anything interesting besides that one passive power.

He’s still Towerborn, so Admin can restrict him, but it SEEMS his power doesn’t follow normal rules, so what he brings out might not be fully controllable.

But his power is different. It’s inherited, yeah, but it can break the system, not follow under normal Tower scaling.

So he might not be able to fight an FH, but he can break the system and bring out something overwhelming, something that could even be above FH level.
That’s why he’s a wildcard. You can’t really measure him or underestimate him.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

@Ray Barracuda @Demonspeed @Anne isn't a TT

As of now, in the Urek story, Baek can’t directly kill an FH. He’s still a child who is learning his power, and we haven’t seen him use anything interesting besides that one passive power.

He’s still Towerborn, so Admin can restrict him, but it SEEMS his power doesn’t follow normal rules, so what he brings out might not be fully controllable.

But his power is different. It’s inherited, yeah, but it can break the system, not follow under normal Tower scaling.

So he might not be able to fight an FH, but he can break the system and bring out something overwhelming, something that could even be above FH level.
That’s why he’s a wildcard. You can’t really measure him or underestimate him.

I mean it was said Karaka could have killed Jahad and 10 FLs with the power of thorn, remember. That's why he was trying to melt night with thorn. I see no other reason Baek is the man karaka would have been if he were successful

 

[Demonspeed]

@Ray Barracuda @Demonspeed @Anne isn't a TT

As of now, in the Urek story, Baek can’t directly kill an FH. He’s still a child who is learning his power, and we haven’t seen him use anything interesting besides that one passive power.

He’s still Towerborn, so Admin can restrict him, but it SEEMS his power doesn’t follow normal rules, so what he brings out might not be fully controllable.

But his power is different. It’s inherited, yeah, but it can break the system, not follow under normal Tower scaling.

So he might not be able to fight an FH, but he can break the system and bring out something overwhelming, something that could even be above FH level.
That’s why he’s a wildcard. You can’t really measure him or underestimate him.

I have no reason to believe that Baek can become that strong. He inherited something strong but he isn't like Urek, Baam and the GWs. He should be in the same ballpark as Luslec power-wise.

We'll see how strong the PT is but Admins are all above the FHs.

 

[undefined]

U do realize right? It's kind of self glaze since its their underling talking about their leader. Ofc they would hype their leader. Unless the opponent is hyping about it, it's useless to me.

For instance, Adori one, it's said she could do all 3 missions and yet we know, she cannot eradicate FUG, since it's a religion.

Those statements carry more weight than whatever Baam said about Dumas imo. Baam merely wondered whether "Dumas can be compared to the FHs or Zahard's data." It wasn't a confident statement or a definitive assessment on his part.

Also if you take Baam's words literally, then you're also accepting the implication that Zahard's data is comparable to the FHs. That would mean a Family Head is only equivalent to a fraction of the real Zahard's power, which raises some obvious issues with that interpretation.

For that reason, I don't take Baam's statement literally. It makes more sense to view it as Baam being reminded of the irregulars rather than saying Dumas's power is comparable to theirs.

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Adori one shot Proust and many other Rankers so Luslec can definitely do that but Yuri's statement should definitely not be taken seriously. It's to look good in front of Tiara.

Tiara never denied what Yuri said tho