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He’s definitely Kirin/ratna levelThe real question is: How strong is the astronaut fellow? He casually one-shot everyone he encountered lol. Casually walked out of portals as well.
To be honest, I'm more interested in the revolutionaries. After all, they are the people who Zahard and 10 FHs actively hide in the red dump.
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I mean, it really depends. Some people could even get one-shot by someone just as strong as them if they let that person hit them directly without defending themselves by evading or blocking. However, if someone is actually on guard, then I would say a 2× difference in strength is what's needed to guarantee a low-diff fight (unless they have special abilities Karaka). That's how I see it at least.After all of these chapters even if there is 1% of power difference you may still one shot that another one . power scaling doesn't work in sius universe what do i see LOL
just look at urek for example
remember purple thryssa ? it destroyed hell alot ari family rankers and at the same time urek destroyed tentacle of the thryssa once when thryssa tried to attack him and got destroyed then purple attack him with another batch of tentacles much more than 1 5/10 and urek destroyed those easily and wanted to kill it yet stopped because purple had baek there and he didn't want baek to get killed
another time purple one got attacked by weaklings and it destroyed them easily like piece of papers . now urek > purple > rankers/high rankers ... yet urek got stomped by the weaklings ? how so ? yet the guy fought entire planets right ? yet got stomped by some weaklings that easily got destroyed by thryssa ? isn't that dumb writing ? or lazy writing ? why you would call eduan there when you can unleash power and jack squat those guys easily ? the guy at least fought eduan and also latour and aubrion both couldn't handle him neither yet got stoppped by some weakling 10 ants ? it makes no sense .. because siu changes his mind like i am chaning socks LOL
the guy is indecisive and one day he says one thing then another day he says and does completely opposite LOL so power scaling doesn't matter in sius universe becuase one time he left us with like latour was strong yet urek kicked latour + aubrion both combined yet once he struggled with them and called those guys weaklings .
Me as a urek fan i see the flaws in sius works, but at the same i dont because aubrion has about urek like The more three you throw in the "Fire" more powerful it gets or something like that it seems like unless urek is angry we cannot see how powerful he is because one time he got compared with pentaminum and another time aubrion has said "i have lost / now latour i think you can kick him right " ? wait ... i thought that guy was as powerful as pentaminum how can latour kick him unless latour is at pentaminums level ? its full of inconsistencies . urek can fight a planet or entire population of planet that is 1000000000 times more than what was fighting against urek yet he said "these ppl are coming and coming" so ? haven't you fought entire population? it makes zero sense ...
as for adori and dumas , adori with weapon or without a weapon ? because if you give adori all destroying spear of eduanthen she will kill dumas easily but if you will give her some weak sword then i doubt that adori is strong LOL
dumas seems fighter than adori who uses swords and without sword she is another weakling i am surecu without swords there aren't many ppl who are powerful, just relying on those swords they brag but take those and you will see what is their real power
i just posted this because power scaling doesn't work in this story but like i have said if there is 1% difference between the two then one surely can evaporate another eaisly in sius UNIERSE where nothing makes sense.
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I have the same thought process as you right now.I think we will discover another tier mostly made up of Top Regents or High Tier Princesses that surpasses the likes of Dumas/Robadon without reaching TT lvl and i believe it will take like 2/3 of those guys to beat a TT
For Dumas lvl fighters i say 6+ to beat a TT
I believe we could meet one of those guys among the troops that intercepted the Revos/Kirin at the end of S3, and among the characters we already know Ratna Gra for example may be at that lvl imo
Yama was not getting stomped SIU just choreographed that fight extremely poorly. He entered blood lusted state. Tanked damage, didn't attack, got hit with stronger attack tanked damage. The damage made him bleed. SIU completely messed up by not having Yama move at all. Same poor paneling with Urek vs Luslec theres 3 times where Urek is just standing there completely still doing jack as Luslec charges up a spell. Siu intention was the classic trope. Yama has a power up he can't control that makes him not care for his safety type deal because he can't control it. In the manwha panels he has Yama just standing in place so everyone just goes Yama bled everywhere he got diffed Yamas weak. Also the people Yama diffed didn't die. The people diffed frum Ureks punch didn't die etc. The end of season 3 has some of the worst paneling in all of tog from a choreography stand point. Yama and Urek in the arc legit just stand there menacingly.He fought and pushed Dumas.
Yama was getting whipped by one of the 10 boss (whom Kirin joined and is ranked with)…
the difference is pretty massive
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Since when it was entire floor ? not even traumerei could do thing like that and certainly neither bloossom , where you are getting things like that blossom flamed entire floor ? name a chapter i want to seeHell, Blossom flamed an entire floor. She could have done the same to the Revs!
The whole dumpster thing was probably done at a time when killing was not an afterthought to the great families. Even now it's clear death weights on them to varying degrees. Bloosom did destroy a floor but the implication is very strong that this irreparably broke her.Crazy that the Revs are a greater threat than FUG and Wingtree!!!
I wonder if Arlen has any ties to them!
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It really doesn’t make any sense that they were imprisoned instead of being slaughtered!!! We saw Traum hunting down beast, why not do that???
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Hell, Blossom flamed an entire floor. She could have done the same to the Revs!
Perhaps Top 3 on the Revs? With Ratna being #10 ranked one and clearly regent ballpark.. and being used as hype (with Yama being the punching bag, as per tradition), and if she ends up being Yama's rival who'd need his true Ancient power to defeat.. yeah, Very, id say! haha. So Astro dude is probably "Regent of Top 3 families" tier.The real question is: How strong is the astronaut fellow? He casually one-shot everyone he encountered lol. Casually walked out of portals as well.
To be honest, I'm more interested in the revolutionaries. After all, they are the people who Zahard and 10 FHs actively hide in the red dump.
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Long ago SIU himself might have planned to have top Towerborn compete with the Family Heads. In a really old post, SIU said that the Three Lords could reject a Family Head's order (I didn't even know post existed until recently lol). Then you also have that statement saying that Zahard couldn't take Molic lightly in a fight. But once again, these were statements that SIU made over a decade ago.
SIU has probably changed his mind because the actual story contradicts these notions. Adori was only Ranker level as an A Rank Regular while the Family Heads were Ranker-level on Floor 43. Then you have Luslec getting neg diffed by Hon and Traumerei in the flashback (he was much weaker back then, but I don't believe he was able to close that massive gap between himself and the Family Heads).
Also, forgot to add that, while they were "ranker-level", they had strength in numbers as well, pushing each-other to get stronger, trailblazing the tower and having first mover privilege, and constantly maxxing out during their first and greatest journey. Adori/Luslec etc could have extra stuff we don't know about (if SIU cared enough) that pushed them reach their true ceiling, even after reaching floor 134.well luslec seemd a bit of a bum in the flashback, but i guess he took the L to heart and locked in.. perhaps, lol.
but in the end, it depends on what SIU decides. no guarantee growth is linear or anything like that. for one, FHs have been slacking around a lot "lately". but yeah,lets see, it will be interesting what SIU goes with.
He is confusing Blossom's incident with her flames with what was said about her being able to kill almost everyone on a floor by changing the flow of Shinsoo probably.Since when it was entire floor ? not even traumerei could do thing like that and certainly neither bloossom , where you are getting things like that blossom flamed entire floor ? name a chapter i want to see
blossom has most destructive power out of all those GWs yet where it was said that she did that thing and admin is alive on that floor no admin is dead but of FODs . so how come that admin didn't die but everyone else did and blossom is there and admin spared her ? nice joke btw
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It was definitely SIU's intent to make Yama look lame but yes he wasn't that helpless.Yama was not getting stomped SIU just choreographed that fight extremely poorly. He entered blood lusted state. Tanked damage, didn't attack, got hit with stronger attack tanked damage. The damage made him bleed. SIU completely messed up by not having Yama move at all. Same poor paneling with Urek vs Luslec theres 3 times where Urek is just standing there completely still doing jack as Luslec charges up a spell. Siu intention was the classic trope. Yama has a power up he can't control that makes him not care for his safety type deal because he can't control it. In the manwha panels he has Yama just standing in place so everyone just goes Yama bled everywhere he got diffed Yamas weak. Also the people Yama diffed didn't die. The people diffed frum Ureks punch didn't die etc. The end of season 3 has some of the worst paneling in all of tog from a choreography stand point. Yama and Urek in the arc legit just stand there menacingly.
Bam pushed him to his limits, bringing out his full strength and they actually went into a tussle back and forth.How so? Dumas wasn't all that serious from the beginning and Baam pushed himself to his limits. All the leaders from Revolution are clearly above CC tier and Kirin is a N.2/N.3 himself. He would give Dumas a run for his money.
Baam can't replicate what Yama can casually. And as I said earlier, Yama has a lot more transformations in store.
S3ch223 LOL “not a single living creature there was spared her wrath…”Since when it was entire floor ? not even traumerei could do thing like that and certainly neither bloossom , where you are getting things like that blossom flamed entire floor ? name a chapter i want to see
blossom has most destructive power out of all those GWs yet where it was said that she did that thing and admin is alive on that floor no admin is dead but of FODs . so how come that admin didn't die but everyone else did and blossom is there and admin spared her ? nice joke btw
But the positions are not equivalent. Slayers can be offered the seat from through their potentials. The red trashcan position is obtained through strength. These characters established their heirarchy through fights. Kirin is also a static character with no growth left. It is reasonable to put them on the same general level.That's like saying that Luslec and Karaka must be equal because they were both offered a Slayer seat, we can't know for sure. Ratna portrayal vs the strongest version of Yama we have ever seen was definitely impressive, considering even before his last transformation he broke through Proust barrier, and the effort she was putting in to dominate Yama seemed very low.
You do not tank attacks by bleeding out. Thats a contradiction. Urek on the other hand, barely got cut up which even disappeared once he amped up his reinforcement just a little bit.Yama was not getting stomped SIU just choreographed that fight extremely poorly. He entered blood lusted state. Tanked damage, didn't attack, got hit with stronger attack tanked damage. The damage made him bleed. SIU completely messed up by not having Yama move at all. Same poor paneling with Urek vs Luslec theres 3 times where Urek is just standing there completely still doing jack as Luslec charges up a spell. Siu intention was the classic trope. Yama has a power up he can't control that makes him not care for his safety type deal because he can't control it. In the manwha panels he has Yama just standing in place so everyone just goes Yama bled everywhere he got diffed Yamas weak. Also the people Yama diffed didn't die. The people diffed frum Ureks punch didn't die etc. The end of season 3 has some of the worst paneling in all of tog from a choreography stand point. Yama and Urek in the arc legit just stand there menacingly.
They only thing that makes sense is that b/c of Blossom’s incident and how news spread throughout the tower, they decided to toss them in the red dumpster instead!The whole dumpster thing was probably done at a time when killing was not an afterthought to the great families. Even now it's clear death weights on them to varying degrees. Bloosom did destroy a floor but the implication is very strong that this irreparably broke her.
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Yama did say that bleeding makes a hound fight harder!You do not tank attacks by bleeding out. Thats a contradiction. Urek on the other hand, barely got cut up which even disappeared once he amped up his reinforcement just a little bit.
That also indicate they're being cornered into desperation.Yama did say that bleeding makes a hound fight harder!
Urek is in full control of his power, Yama was in a rage state with newly unlocked power.You do not tank attacks by bleeding out. Thats a contradiction. Urek on the other hand, barely got cut up which even disappeared once he amped up his reinforcement just a little bit.
Siu just gave Yama another power up and a rage boost from Doom dying. Had him fight a RLD leader and live when every other TB died fighting one. He was not supposed to look weak siu just goofed. Again it was piss poor paneling. I don't get why no one complained about the paneling that arc when it's 100% what made every underwhelming or ass moment ass outside a few pacing issues. Better presentation and we wouldn't even need a urek spin off. Pacing and paneling so bad Siu had to make a whole Urek spin off to correct mistakes he made in season 3.He is confusing Blossom's incident with her flames with what was said about her about to kill almost everyone on a floor by changing the flow of Shinsoo probably.
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It was definitely SIU's intent to make Yama look lame but yes he wasn't that helpless.
But the positions are not equivalent. Slayers can be offered the seat from through their potentials. The red trashcan position is obtained through strength. These characters established their heirarchy through fights. Kirin is also a static character with no growth left. It is reasonable to put them on the same general level.
gen 0 boutta show why they're the GOATsNice Shingen pfp, caught up with the latest chapters I see.
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and yet you also think he's > Bam? lmao.Urek is in full control of his power, Yama was in a rage state with newly unlocked power.
A boss of the RLD should be stronger than Dumas or else they are kinda pointless. Bam probably stronger than Yama but neither beats a boss of the RLD.gen 0 boutta show why they're the GOATs
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and yet you also think he's > Bam? lmao.
Hard disagree. The captain boss is stronger sure, but not the random members of the 10 boss. Dumas has proven himself. The bosses need to prove themselves to be on his level.A boss of the RLD should be stronger than Dumas or else they are kinda pointless. Bam probably stronger than Yama but neither beats a boss of the RLD.
Obviously, ma dude.gen 0 boutta show why they're the