Chapter Tower of God Spin-Off: Urek Mazino Chapter 69 Spoilers & Discussion

[Shiinhye1]

I left a little note at the end of the chapter, hope you guys read it!

 

[kkck]

it's also worth noting that bam didn't outright win against dumas. Bam simply impressed dumas enough that dumas gave him a pass. Without that bam and company were super dead. And bam to his credit had the instinct to tell black march he knew more than she did. Bam's comfort zone is definitely mid range though leviathan's defensive and offensive properties give bam a lot more flexibility. Bam is still just not built like a fisherman/angler. For bam to actually be a fisherman I would argue he needs a feat that is comparable to beating kallavan in a fist fight with no mid or long range shenanigans. And that at a point where fist fighting kallavan is a relevant.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

I think fisherman are those who have tough bodies. Jinsung explained this when he said about floral butterfly piercing technique. People like Yuri, Jinsung, Kallavan, Jahad have tough bodies to tank the attacks. Night has weakness which is his body. If he gets in close and gets a vital hit then he is done but those guys can tank it.

 

[Demonspeed]

I think fisherman are those who have tough bodies. Jinsung explained this when he said about floral butterfly piercing technique. People like Yuri, Jinsung, Kallavan, Jahad have tough bodies to tank the attacks. Night has weakness which is his body. If he gets in close and gets a vital hit then he is done but those guys can tank it.

It's essentially like the Warrior class so they typically have strong bodies. Baam's physical abilities get stronger when he ignites the Thorn but overall, as kkck said he is a mid-range fighter.

 

[kkck]

There's more to being a fisherman than just physical durability. Position wise a fisherman fights at the front lines, uses hooks on massive shineuh and has the capacity to eat damage while keeping enemies of the backline positions (spearbearer, lightbearer and wave controller). It's also worth noting that as far as the series goes there's an ongoing issue with the fisherman translation. The specific position should be "angler" while fisherman is more of a hype term for someone that can carry out all positions proficiently.

Anyways, bam doesn't really function as an angler because he can't just eat damage like one and he obviously falls short of the fisherman title because as far as we know bam is not competent at most positions. He can't eat damage like a fisherman, has zero experience with an observer and probably lacks the physical specks for even this and he hasn't used a lighthouse since early in season 2. And he has never even touched a spear.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

It's essentially like the Warrior class so they typically have strong bodies. Baam's physical abilities get stronger when he ignites the Thorn but overall, as kkck said he is a mid-range fighter.

I think he is qualified to act as fisherman when he fights the regulars or Rankers at best without the thorn

 

[maverickframe_19]

The current Baam Dragon Tiger gate kills Kallavan; I am sorry.
The fact that HF Baam made a crack in Kallavan—if any of you still think he can't beat Kallavan in a fistfight—means you are not reading the same story as me.

 

[Demonspeed]

The current Baam Dragon Tiger gate kills Kallavan; I am sorry.
The fact that HF Baam made a crack in Kallavan—if any of you still think he can't beat Kallavan in a fistfight—means you are not reading the same story as me.

Baam isn't beating Kallavan in a fistfight. You are talking about attack power. That's completely different.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Baam isn't beating Kallavan in a fistfight. You are talking about attack power. That's completely different.

Fist Fight -- Martial Arts, Baam is better than Kallavan. I think he's beating him.

All Kallavan now has on Baam is fighting experience, but now that V is teaching Baam about riding the shinhsoo, I am afraid it's gg for Kallavan. You should now wish that Kallavan doesn't show his face in front of Baam, because that's a death for Kallavan. LOL

 

[PPower]

So it looks like Garam might be getting a boost.

Hopefully, SIU actually follows through this time. This should be one of those moments where Urek shows his scary side for real, not just hype it up and move on.

It might be coincidence or something, but looks like my conversation escaped MangaHelpers Tower and climbed its way to Reddit Tower feels like it unlocked some Axis-level power.

Didn't expect it to travel that fast. Glad people liked it. Please paraphrase next time

 

[kkck]

Fist Fight -- Martial Arts, Baam is better than Kallavan. I think he's beating him.

All Kallavan now has on Baam is fighting experience, but now that V is teaching Baam about riding the shinhsoo, I am afraid it's gg for Kallavan. You should now wish that Kallavan doesn't show his face in front of Baam, because that's a death for Kallavan. LOL

If bam punches kallavan the only thing that will happen is bam's fist attaining a paste like consistency.

 

[Demonspeed]

Fist Fight -- Martial Arts, Baam is better than Kallavan. I think he's beating him.

All Kallavan now has on Baam is fighting experience, but now that V is teaching Baam about riding the shinhsoo, I am afraid it's gg for Kallavan. You should now wish that Kallavan doesn't show his face in front of Baam, because that's a death for Kallavan. LOL

What makes you think that Baam is a better martial artist than Kallavan? Think about Baam VS Jinsung for example. Regardless of who you think is stronger, do you believe that Baam is a better martial artist than him?

Kallavan is an actual Fisherman.

 

[Vali x lucifer]

Baam's stats are very much dependant on how much he is willing to use his inner powers. In base he gets destroyed by Jinsung/Kallavan in cqc, but if he enters Revolution state, ignites the thorns, burns some souls, draws power from Leviathan, Ignites Black March etc. then he just keeps becoming tougher, faster, stronger etc. at some point he will just eclipse the likes of Kallavan/Jinsung in any contest of strength, but I wouldn't say that he is a better martial artist than Jinsung, he would simply win due to a raw power diff.

 

[Epic_Rider]

Which WC-Fisherman do you have in mind? Karaka? Other than him I can't think of someone who really fits well.

Pretty much every Ranker we see in Part 3? Most of them are pretty much the same, close combat mixed with long range shinsu usage.

 

[Demonspeed]

Pretty much every Ranker we see in Part 3? Most of them are pretty much the same, close combat mixed with long range shinsu usage.

Everyone uses Shinsoo in a way or another. It's still the main power source here. But using Shinsoo is different from being a Wave Controller.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Who do u think is stronger Amizu or this red daan tribe guy?

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Who do u think is stronger Amizu or this red daan tribe guy?

Amizu.

I don't even care if he's revealed to be stronger later on by some miracle, I just know that red bitch is for sure weaker.

 

[white_light]

Who do u think is stronger Amizu or this red daan tribe guy?

Well one only had feats as a corpse that was driven like a car by an irregular and the other has styled on some regulars. I'm not even sure there is material here to ponder over.

 

[VON]

Baam isn't beating Kallavan in a fistfight. You are talking about attack power. That's completely different.

Dark change Bam actually performed similar or better feats than Kallavan did against White, specifically how Bam can block sword attacks with his bare arms.

 

[seNzor1337]

Dark change Bam actually performed similar or better feats than Kallavan did against White, specifically how Bam can block sword attacks with his bare arms.

I was trying to bring that fight up too. But then I had to agree that the Thorn boosts Baams WC abilities exponentially more than his physical prowess, which points to him being a natural WC.
Perhaps his body has more to do with it than anything, since Baam is something other than the body he inhabits, a being with endless potential

 

[Demonspeed]

Dark change Bam actually performed similar or better feats than Kallavan did against White, specifically how Bam can block sword attacks with his bare arms.

I'll have to reread the fight but I don't remember Dark Change Baam relying a lot on martial skills against White. He was massively stronger and mostly used Shinsoo attacks, didn't he? Then the fight ended in a literal tug of war.

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Shinsoo Reinforcement also affects durability and physical strength. It helps Baam much more than his pure physical stats.

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Quickly skimmed and even the way White describes Baam's feats highlights his abilities as a WC.