Discussion If Sanji deserves Conqueror’s Haki, then Jinbe deserves it too.

[electricmastro]

There have been many past discussions over this, so I felt to make a thread voicing my view.

In my view, things like “wings” and “monster trios” are irrelevant. Because what matters is that Luffy deserves the strongest forces possible. And given Jinbe’s dedication, he’s as deserving as Sanji is, in my opinion. He is a knight of the sea and former warlord who held back Akainu to save Luffy and fisted a pussy to save Zoro at Egghead. So to downplay Jinbe as if he’s not worthy of Conqueror’s would basically be disrespectful to him.

 

[costicla]

Well, they aren't irrelevant to Oda, since he made it even more obvious this arc that Zoro and Sanji are basically Luffy's Raleigh and Gaban, as in his most powerful and dependable, at least fighting wise, members.

 

[electricmastro]

Well, they aren't irrelevant to Oda, since he made it even more obvious this arc that Zoro and Sanji are basically Luffy's Raleigh and Gaban, as in his most powerful and dependable, at least fighting wise, members.

So would you be saying Jinbe isn't all that powerful and dependable despite all he has done for Luffy then?

 

[kkck]

In my view, things like “wings” and “monster trios” are irrelevant.

These are things oda has mentioned way too many times in the story to not be a thing. It feels more like arguing with the story tbh. It's ok to dislike it but it's all to obvious how much oda is doubling, tripling and quadrupling down into this. Even in the context of wano it's clear that oda worked quite hard to make sure that sanji secures his spot as third strongest in the crew by having him defeat queen and having jinbe defeat whoswhos.

Jinbe has definitely contributed a lot to the crew but I do think it's silly to compare him to sanji or zoro who have been with the strawhats so much longer than him.

 

[costicla]

So would you be saying Jinbe isn't all that powerful and dependable despite all he has done for Luffy then?

It doesn't really matter how powerful Jinbe is or isn't, clearly Oda considers Zoro and Sanji Luffy's numer 2 and number 3 (or Sanji number 2, as he would probably say, heh). Jinbe has been with Luffy through one of the most important moments in his life, but that doesn;t change the fact that in world, he barely joined the crew like an island or two ago, Zoro and Sanji have been bisedes Luffy almost from the beggining.

it's also probable that Oda didn't have Jinbe join in Fishaman Island so that both Zoro and Sanji could surpass him in strenght, whichlikely happened for both in Wano. Sure, give Jinbe Conqueror's Haki, that won't make him more important and likely also not stronger than Sanji.

 

[electricmastro]

These are things oda has mentioned way too many times in the story to not be a thing.

Like Usopp being vice captain and Buggy being emperor: a recurring joke.

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It doesn't really matter how powerful Jinbe is or isn't, clearly Oda considers Zoro and Sanji Luffy's numer 2 and number 3 (or Sanji number 2, as he would probably say, heh). Jinbe has been with Luffy through one of the most important moments in his life, but that doesn;t change the fact that in world, he barely joined the crew like an island or two ago, Zoro and Sanji have been bisedes Luffy almost from the beggining.

it's also probable that Oda didn't have Jinbe join in Fishaman Island so that both Zoro and Sanji could surpass him in strenght, whichlikely happened for both in Wano. Sure, give Jinbe Conqueror's Haki, that won't make him more important and likely also not stronger than Sanji.

And then of course Oda made it a fact to establish Jinbe as a #3 right before Egghead.

So if wings are taken seriously, then logically that should too, lest one be hypocritical.

 

[kkck]

Like Usopp being vice captain and Buggy being emperor: a recurring joke.

While oda plays around, buggy being a yonko isn't an actual joke. He is categorically, factually and canonically a yonko. Yonko is a special classification by the WG which the WG gave to buggy. There's no real argument in any way, shape or form that zoro and sanji aren't luffy's wings and the parallels to rayleigh and scopper just increase by the day. Heck, scopper and rayleigh even appear to have the same silly rivalry zoro and sanji have.

 

[electricmastro]

There's no real argument in any way, shape or form that zoro and sanji aren't luffy's wings and the parallels to rayleigh and scopper just increase by the day.

Jinbe can be a third wing then, considering the aforementioned #3 status post-Wano, thus be be worthy of Conqueror’s! lol

 

[kkck]

Jinbe can be a third wing then, considering the aforementioned #3 status post-Wano, thus be be worthy of Conqueror’s! lol

Eh, more like a third wheel.

 

[jagajaga]

the fact that jinbe's fishmen karate hits without touching the enemy may indicates that he already knew how to use conqueror haki. all he needs are practices and experiences to get stronger.

 

[kkck]

Fishman karate does that by manipulating moisture in the air and generating blasts. It's not the same thing as advanced haki techniques.

 

[electricmastro]

Eh, more like a third wheel.

So Sanji would be fourth wheel then.

 

[kkck]

I mean, jinbe is still going to be the third fourth strongest in the crew unless he intends for franky to surpass him (the super cola thing seems to have been a pretty significant boost). I don't see the point of arguing with the story too much about sanji's and jinbe's position in the crew.

 

[M3J]

So to downplay Jinbe as if he’s not worthy of Conqueror’s would basically be disrespectful to him.

That's not downplaying him at all, you're just making things up because Sanji is involved. Jinbei doesn't need Conqueror's haki, he's been pretty great without it.

 

[TitaniumOxide]

There have been many past discussions over this, so I felt to make a thread voicing my view.

In my view, things like “wings” and “monster trios” are irrelevant. Because what matters is that Luffy deserves the strongest forces possible. And given Jinbe’s dedication, he’s as deserving as Sanji is, in my opinion. He is a knight of the sea and former warlord who held back Akainu to save Luffy and fisted a pussy to save Zoro at Egghead. So to downplay Jinbe as if he’s not worthy of Conqueror’s would basically be disrespectful to him.

I think those words on its own does not mean much but I feel like letting Luffy, Sanji, and Zoro all get CoC allows them to bear such titles with more credibility. The average veteran marine/pirate who have been through and survived the NW would hear of certain names with titles like Pirate Empress or Strongest Creature in the World will automatically surmise that these individuals probably possesses it. You get called a wing of the future pirate king? You better sport some shiny King's Haki to back that shit up. It's... just the reasons justifying someone to get CoC is not very concrete overall. I mean should Brook not get CoC always standing up to so many well above his class? Bro is already called Soul King. I vote Brook to get conqueror's one day. At the end of the day, I think it needs to be much more defined, otherwise we can use a number of reasons to justify whoever we want to get CoC. I'm not saying Jinbe shouldn't get CoC though. Bro is boss af and have risen to the occasion in the past, he is just story-nerfed currently.

That said, it would be very interesting if a physically weak person is introduced with CoC. Why must they all be "main" type fighters? If Vegapunk had "Kingly ambitions" would he have been a candidate for CoC? We need more concrete details surrounding the how for sure.

 

[electricmastro]

That's not downplaying him at all, you're just making things up because Sanji is involved. Jinbei doesn't need Conqueror's haki, he's been pretty great without it.

Well by this logic, then I can be glad to voice my opinion that Sanji doesn't need Conqueror's Haki at all, since he can he great without it, and can just stand there while Luffy, Zoro, and Jinbe do the hits he can't do at all.

 

[costicla]

Well by this logic, then I can be glad to voice my opinion that Sanji doesn't need Conqueror's Haki at all, since he can he great without it, and can just stand there while Luffy, Zoro, and Jinbe do the hits he can't do at all.

Well, that is clearly an opinion that Oda would not agree with, especially with what is happening in this current arc. Weather or nor you like the Wings of the Pirate ideea, it is here, reinforced more than ever in Elbaf, not one is gonna replace Zoro or Sanji as Luffy's main combatants.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

I think Jinbei may get it by end of story. He's the strongest Fishman in the entire story, is a natural leader, has multiple titles (First Son of the Sea, Knight of the Sea, Boss, Warlord) and is clearly peaking. I wouldn't expect him to ever be stronger than Zoro or Sanji at peak but I think for what Luffy is going to achieve having another member of the crew have CoC isn't that far fetched.

Technically Luffy is the anti Imu and look at how many CoC users are under Imu right now. We have at least 5 just with the Gorosei and that's not counting Shamrock, other potential God's Knights with it, and some members of the Marines. Luffy with his crew and alliances will have to have probably 8-10 CoC users to match that.

 

[M3J]

Well by this logic, then I can be glad to voice my opinion that Sanji doesn't need Conqueror's Haki at all, since he can he great without it, and can just stand there while Luffy, Zoro, and Jinbe do the hits he can't do at all.

You seem to be very offended that Sanji likely will be above Jinbei or be considered on an even plane with Zoro again.

Reminds me of when there were people who hated Sanji and made up all sorts of illogical arguments and points against him, years ago.

 

[Core D. Roy]

it would be an excellent capstone on the gag of Sanji being insecure about Jinbe. Sanji has to go through all this deep character development and then Jinbe can do it immediately, he'd just never thought to try before xD