Chapter Tower of God Spin-Off: Urek Mazino Chapter 70 Spoilers & Discussion

[Shiinhye1]

It's been a pleasure to join you all through the end of the spin-off; I hope we'll see each other again when TOG returns.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Axis are immense beings of raw powers but not as godlike as mentioned in blog post

I would disagree here. If Axis are just one with immense power that would undermine the tower.

Axis definitely get a hax of their own maybe not authorative one but close to one. As we go up and see top tiers fight, they all have a hax, like Traumerei with Rupture, Hon with AS, Blossom with her flame.

Even shinies got their hax from Phanta like Counters. They what make the top tiers invincible.

If Axis are just about raw power then anyone could become it. Why worry about one if they aren't that powerful?

 

[arrowofsky]

I would disagree here. If Axis are just one with immense power that would undermine the tower.

Axis definitely get a hax of their own maybe not authorative one but close to one. As we go up and see top tiers fight, they all have a hax, like Traumerei with Rupture, Hon with AS, Blossom with her flame.

Even shinies got their hax from Phanta like Counters. They what make the top tiers invincible.

If Axis are just about raw power then anyone could become it. Why worry about one if they aren't that powerful?

You started reasonable but neither shinies nor FHs are one trick ponies as we have seen. Even Urek can use more than one technique. They are strong and fast. Mago did not look too fast as she was fighting Eduan and comparatively neither is faster than Urek, but they are both fast, strong, and have also haxes and some other stuff.

Let's say that briefly I am Luslec now. I have an option to ally myself with any FH or any shining one. I would 100 % choose a shining one on the grounds of pure power and abilities, and hax makes things exciting.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

You started reasonable but neither shinies nor FHs are one trick ponies as we have seen. Even Urek can use more than one technique. They are strong and fast. Mago did not look too fast as she was fighting Eduan and comparatively neither is faster than Urek, but they are both fast, strong, and have also haxes and some other stuff.

Let's say that briefly I am Luslec now. I have an option to ally myself with any FH or any shining one. I would 100 % choose a shining one on the grounds of pure power and abilities, and hax makes things exciting.

It's not about technique but hax.

 

[arrowofsky]

It's not about technique but hax.

as I thought

 

[Sky is blue]

Let's say that briefly I am Luslec now. I have an option to ally myself with any FH or any shining one. I would 100 % choose a shining one on the grounds of pure power and abilities, and hax makes things exciting

People are jumping the ship way too quickly; Yes, mago has extremely good hax but let's not forget that she is the strongest/Best SO among the 6.

She(with urek's full light) is highly likely stronger then Gustang, traum or edhan, however we still have 7 FH's remaining and the strongest of them is Arie Hon, and we don't know his hax (I doubt it's just his sword technique, look at traum, hix hax was completely diff compared to his skillset).

Welp - Look at Obrion, who do u think is stronger between him and traumerie?

Traum looks objectively superior to me hax and abilities wise - Mind control + necromancy + Space disconnection > Corrupting people.
Although obrion looks stronger then traum in hand to hand combat. But I will still give it to traum

If we ever got a Mago vs Arie hon, then we can decide which group is really stronger.
Although, FH's are numerically superior to SO's so there is that as well

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Welp - Look at Obrion, who do u think is stronger between him and traumerie?

Against Shinies, Traumerei loses. His ultimate skill, Rupture is meaningless against them. It's only against effective against shinsu but against any other element it's worthless

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

I would disagree here. If Axis are just one with immense power that would undermine the tower.

Axis definitely get a hax of their own maybe not authorative one but close to one. As we go up and see top tiers fight, they all have a hax, like Traumerei with Rupture, Hon with AS, Blossom with her flame.

Even shinies got their hax from Phanta like Counters. They what make the top tiers invincible.

If Axis are just about raw power then anyone could become it. Why worry about one if they aren't that powerful?

When I mean hax I mean hax like author story manipulation which old blog post mentions about axis and not the abilities you have listed. Urek has shown no hints of destroying or controlling the story of TOG directly for example. Obviously urek's light can have some powerful ability we are not aware of yet but thats separate thing.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

When I mean hax I mean hax like author story manipulation which old blog post mentions about axis and not the abilities you have listed. Urek has shown no hints of destroying or controlling the story of TOG directly for example. Obviously urek's light can have some powerful ability we are not aware of yet but thats separate thing.

Well ur not wrong. But the thing about destroying tower was actually for Phanta only. He was stated to be top 5 axis user.

We have seen difference in Irregulars like Gussy or Enryu for instance. Even among GWs, there's a huge difference. So if UM can't do doesn't mean Phanta can't do.

What we just know Phanta is Nr1 that's it. He was literally born from darkness the absolute being which always existed from the beginning.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Well ur not wrong. But the thing about destroying tower was actually for Phanta only. He was stated to be top 5 axis user.

We have seen difference in Irregulars like Gussy or Enryu for instance. Even among GWs, there's a huge difference. So if UM can't do doesn't mean Phanta can't do.

What we just know Phanta is Nr1 that's it. He was literally born from darkness the absolute being which always existed from the beginning.

The context is important. Axis users in old TUS canon had powers to manipulate and control/destroy stories and narratives. Phanta could destroy the "story or narrative of TOG" and make it cease to exist for example. Now that is no longer canon otherwise phanta would have done so already given he wants to prevent birth of a new axis. And urek is literally created to counter phantaminium and was said to be of same level of axis as phantaminium by aubrion himself.

So if phanta can do it so should urek but we know urek has only shown to be able to use light powers.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Now that is no longer canon otherwise phanta would have done so already given he wants to prevent birth of a new

Your reasoning is flawed. If u believe just because Phanta didn't do it doesn't mean he can't. If we go like this, Phanta didn't kill Jahad, it means he can't kill Jahad. We don't even know if Phanta even wants to stop the birth of axis.

It's been always highlighted none understand transcendent beings like Kirin couldn't understand why Traumerei gave tree to Robadon. It's the same case. Obrion and others might be interpreting on their own. Otherwise why spare Jahad? Why let Mago and others remain in weaknened state? Why not rule but leave the tower?

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Your reasoning is flawed. If u believe just because Phanta didn't do it doesn't mean he can't. If we go like this, Phanta didn't kill Jahad, it means he can't kill Jahad. We don't even know if Phanta even wants to stop the birth of axis.

It's been always highlighted none understand transcendent beings like Kirin couldn't understand why Traumerei gave tree to Robadon. It's the same case. Obrion and others might be interpreting on their own. Otherwise why spare Jahad? Why let Mago and others remain in weaknened state? Why not rule but leave the tower?

We do not know what phanta's others plans are but zahard himself is a barrier to anyone who want to climb the tower fully so zahard indirectly prevents birth of the axis.

Urek is said to be on same level as phanta and he hasn't shown any narrative bending or plot bending powers. He seems to be able to use light energy powers.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

We do not know what phanta's others plans are but zahard himself is a barrier to anyone who want to climb the tower fully so zahard indirectly prevents birth of the axis

If Jahad and Phanta goal is same why he killed Jahad forces. Why are shinies antagonizing Jahad? Shouldn't they be in same side?

Urek is said to be on same level as phanta and he hasn't shown any narrative bending or plot bending powers. He seems to be able to use light energy powers.

Obrion didn't say same level just distinguished both as immense being. It's the same for regulars or towerborns. To them, Jahad and Gussy are supreme beings yet there is a vast difference between them. They are not on same level. Also, Phanta left the tower while UM is still stucked.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

If Jahad and Phanta goal is same why he killed Jahad forces. Why are shinies antagonizing Jahad? Shouldn't they be in same side?



Obrion didn't say same level just distinguished both as immense being. It's the same for regulars or towerborns. To them, Jahad and Gussy are supreme beings yet there is a vast difference between them. They are not on same level. Also, Phanta left the tower while UM is still stucked.

It works both ways for phanta. If shining ones succeed they devour the tower and prevent from axis to be born. If they fail and lose to zahard and family heads, zahard also still prevents anyone from climbing after chapter 134th floor preventing anyone from becoming an axis.

No. Aubrion says the axis who will be born will be an immense being just like urek or phantaminium. It literally suggests urek and phantaminium are on same tier of power and are both axis. Urek showed no author controlling abilities which proves axis no longer are same as mentioned in blog posts.

 

[maverickframe_19]

I really want to know how Shinshoo is not effective on Shinies when Eduan was able to hurt Mago with it. So in what universe can rupture not hurt the shinyones?

The goons of Phanta are actively trying to prevent another axis whose power source will be shinshoo, and I am made to believe here that shinshoo won't work on Shinies? What is going on?

 

[seNzor1337]

SIU is showing signs of wanting to end the series sooner than he had previously accounted for. I fully believe the author abilities of axises are off the table for good. One's best argument would be that an axis entering the domain of another axis will be heavily restrained and thus unable to use author/reality writing abilities. But then if that were so, why enter the domain to begin with? Just delete it from the outside. Or is it more like a tug of war between the 2 axises and if they are evenly matched, not much can happen?

I think that author like abilities are scrapped and that is the end of that

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

The axis definition in blog posts are not canon. SIU has changed so many things from blog post one of the recent ones beings ari han being a woman and name ari shin.

Urek is now a canonical axis who only uses light energy. He has shown no other abilities like author control outside of raw physical power.

 

[VON]

SIU abandoned us.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

I really want to know how Shinshoo is not effective on Shinies when Eduan was able to hurt Mago with it. So in what universe can rupture not hurt the shinyones?

The goons of Phanta are actively trying to prevent another axis whose power source will be shinshoo, and I am made to believe here that shinshoo won't work on Shinies? What is going on?

It's not that shinsu doesn't work but rather Rupture doesn't work on them. If u read the description of Rupture it says it cuts anything powered by shinsu. So it's effective. But when it clashes with other powered by another element. It doesn't work. That's the reason why UM was able to punch the Rupture.

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It works both ways for phanta. If shining ones succeed they devour the tower and prevent from axis to be born. If they fail and lose to zahard and family heads, zahard also still prevents anyone from climbing after chapter 134th floor preventing anyone from becoming an axis.

No. Aubrion says the axis who will be born will be an immense being just like urek or phantaminium. It literally suggests urek and phantaminium are on same tier of power and are both axis. Urek showed no author controlling abilities which proves axis no longer are same as mentioned in blog posts.

Sorry I don't see why Phanta would let them in weaknened state if he want to see chaos in the tower. Looking at the timeline, so far they haven't made any moves in the main story. So, I don't see how it works both ways.

Jahad also said Gussy believes that Viole is special like them. Doesn't mean he is at their level automatically. It just means he can become like them.

Obrion along with other are seen toying with UM, teasing him. They don't even refer UM as lord. Only Phantaminum is referred as one. Besides Phanta is able to leave the tower which UM hasn't been able to do it. It's a feat UM, the axis hasn't shown. Even Enryu is gone but he is stucked. If they were at same level, Phanta should have been stucked too

 

[arrowofsky]

It's not that shinsu doesn't work but rather Rupture doesn't work on them. If u read the description of Rupture it says it cuts anything powered by shinsu. So it's effective. But when it clashes with other powered by another element. It doesn't work. That's the reason why UM was able to punch the Rupture.

While I understand the line of thinking, "powered by shinoo" covers so much. Shinsoo, as described through Le Roro decades ago, is inhaled/exhaled and somewhat become one with the body. You have internal and external one, and including Urek, there is shinsoo reinforcement too, so I doubt there is anyone, even non regulars that is NOT tied to shinsoo to be impacted by them. Otherwise, GWs should not have impacted by rupture either, but Gustang was.

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Also, we don't know if Enryu or Phantaminium is still in tower or not. No canonical exit info for them afaik, even though them staying sounds weird.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

While I understand the line of thinking, "powered by shinoo" covers so much. Shinsoo, as described through Le Roro decades ago, is inhaled/exhaled and somewhat become one with the body. You have internal and external one, and including Urek, there is shinsoo reinforcement too, so I doubt there is anyone, even non regulars that is NOT tied to shinsoo to be impacted by them. Otherwise, GWs should not have impacted by rupture either, but Gustang was.

I am talking about Shinies. Since they don't use shinsu, it doesn't work on them. But for GWs they only use shinsu, so it works.