Chapter Mokushiroku no Yonkishi Chapter 256 Spoilers & Discussion

[Rey151203]

Lancelot is the only one stated to be able to defeat Galahad according to him in the future.

Also the only one who can easily defeat him too.

Idk what happened to Arthur in the future ..either Chaos doesn't exist anymore and the good guys only have the Holy Grail or something.

Or Arthur with Full Chaos was never that strong.

Stop taking everything Galahad says seriously.

Arthur Full Chaos is the most powerful being in the verse, and that's a fact. Another fact is that Nakaba always prevents the chaos from returning to him whole, just to avoid breaking the balance.

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So why Galahad says only Lancelot can defeat him

Why do you trust the words of that idiot kid so much when he doesn't know anything?

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So the Lady of the Lake was wrong, it's hype about FP shinning road being Nemesis, Cath, Meliodas, Tristan, Ban, Merlin...etc are wrong but you're right.

Exactly, until I see that power in practice, I'm not taking what she said seriously. In this manga, that's how it is; what the characters say are their opinions, not concrete facts.

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mean future Arthur has full chaos back isn't

Probably not, if Cath died with the power of chaos, so it disappeared, As he states in chapter 80, in the future chaos no longer exists in the world.

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Lancelot can use weapons to enhance his stream.of magic ,thus enhancing his physical strength.

Yeah but with what we know that didn't put him on a similar level to the gods. Only Shining Road Nemesis, but a single attack doesn't put it above gods((in its current state).

 

[Capalot98]

Lancelot is the only one stated to be able to defeat Galahad according to him in the future.

Also the only one who can easily defeat him too.

Idk what happened to Arthur in the future ..either Chaos doesn't exist anymore and the good guys only have the Holy Grail or something.

Or Arthur with Full Chaos was never that strong.

What that does that mean ? Galahad glazing his dad and thinking that only Lancelot can beat him doesn’t make it a fact. Another possibility is that he’s only talking about people he’s actually fought before not anybody he himself hasn’t actually fought because what reason would he have had to fight or train with Arthur

His statement also doesn’t make sense because regardless of if you think chaos Arthur is stronger then Lancelot or not you can’t deny that Arthur would at minimum be a god level character if he had all of chaos. You can’t possibly believe that you think Galahad can beat a god level character based on what he’s shown us so far.

If Galahad was as strong as he thinks he is then he should’ve been able to at least beat a nerfed Lancelot but he wasn’t. Honestly Galahad hasn’t shown us anything to make me think he could beat Meliodas or Ban let alone Arthur with all of chaos

 

[Rey151203]

What that does that mean ? Galahad glazing his dad and thinking that only Lancelot can beat him doesn’t make it a fact. Another possibility is that he’s only talking about people he’s actually fought before not anybody he himself hasn’t actually fought because what reason would he have had to fight or train with him Arthur

His statement also doesn’t make sense because regardless of if you think chaos Arthur is stronger then Lancelot or not you can’t deny that Arthur would at minimum be a god level character if he had all of chaos. You can’t possibly believe that you think Galahad can beat a god level character based on what he’s shown us so far.

If Galahad was as strong as he thinks he is then he should’ve been able to at least beat a nerfed Lancelot but he wasn’t. Honestly Galahad hasn’t shown us anything to make me think he could beat Meliodas or Ban let alone Arthur with all of chaos

The covers take everything the characters say literally; not even the author himself does that, which is why it's funny.

 

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Stop taking everything Galahad says seriously.

Arthur Full Chaos is the most powerful being in the verse, and that's a fact. Another fact is that Nakaba always prevents the chaos from returning to him whole, just to avoid breaking the balance.

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Why do you trust the words of that idiot kid so much when he doesn't know anything?

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Exactly, until I see that power in practice, I'm not taking what she said seriously. In this manga, that's how it is; what the characters say are their opinions, not concrete facts.

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I doubt

Very funny coming from someone who laughed at Lancelot being the strongest when we have plenty of statements about and none about Arthur even with Chaos lmao and that was before they even knew he was Cath.

So basically my opinion > manga opinion biggest LOL I had in a while.

Show Arthur with full chaos feat then.

Dude got his arm devoured by Cath and his prrformance was lame asf, but sure he was already > DK/SD back then and the strongest in the verse.

Lmao.

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What that does that mean ? Galahad glazing his dad and thinking that only Lancelot can beat him doesn’t make it a fact. Another possibility is that he’s only talking about people he’s actually fought before not anybody he himself hasn’t actually fought because what reason would he have had to fight or train with Arthur

His statement also doesn’t make sense because regardless of if you think chaos Arthur is stronger then Lancelot or not you can’t deny that Arthur would at minimum be a god level character if he had all of chaos. You can’t possibly believe that you think Galahad can beat a god level character based on what he’s shown us so far.

If Galahad was as strong as he thinks he is then he should’ve been able to at least beat a nerfed Lancelot but he wasn’t. Honestly Galahad hasn’t shown us anything to make me think he could beat Meliodas or Ban let alone Arthur with all of chaos

No statement in the manga puts Arthur above Lancelot there is none.

All and everyone call Lancelot the strongest.

That is the consistent thing about it.

 

[Rey151203]

Very funny coming from someone who laughed at Lancelot being the strongest when we have plenty of statements about and none about Arthur even with Chaos lmao and that was before they even knew he was Cath.

So basically my opinion > manga opinion biggest LOL I had in a while.

Show Arthur with full chaos feat then.

Dude got his arm devoured by Cath and his prrformance was lame asf, but sure he was already > DK/SD back then and the strongest in the verse.

Lmao.

More fallacious than Lancelot? Lancelot's greatest feat was defeating Cath in Liones, and base Meliodas did it with even more ease. Everything else is pure speculation about his power, and in a manga where I can't trust the characters words, only his feats, because the author changes, I'll only take this statement seriously when Lancelot shows this hypothetical Shining Road Nemesis level, and so far nothing. Escanor was much better at it; he demonstrated it. Lancelot is just spouting fallacies.


About Arthur? Do I need to remind you that when Cath attacked him, he had just received Chaos? Or are you going to ignore that?

Arthur and Chaos are a shared entity, so let's look at Chaos's feats: creating the world, creating the gods, creating the Infinite Lake, altering reality, time, and space. He also had an attack that could destroy Britannia, and that wasn't even his complete attack. Nakaba himself stated that Meliodas's True Magic is still below Chaos, and even now Chaos Lancelot is inferior to Meliodas.

Do you want more, or do I need to humiliate you in front of the whole forum?

 

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And that didn't put him on a similar level to the gods.

He's using normal weapons that can't fire the full shinning road ,he'll only be at full power when he has a weapon that can fire the full.powered shinning road

 

[Rey151203]

You were poisoned by Nakaba into thinking Lancelot was a supreme being, but in practice he isn't, because the author himself knows that characters like that are too broken. In practice, base Lancelot will only remain a Sin-level character(just now of course, can change with power ups)

And lancelot With chaos a god level.

But not someone who can easily beat the Demon King; in practice, we're seeing something else.

The same thing will happen with Arthur in full chaos form; Nakaba will never allow him to be in full chaos form because it would break the balance of power and there would be no threat to the narrative with a god there.

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He's using normal weapons that can't fire the full shinning road ,he'll only be at full power when he has a weapon that can fire the full.powered shinning road

Yes, but until he gets it, he is inferior to the gods. Fact

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Dude got his arm devoured by Cath and his prrformance was lame asf, but sure he was already > DK/SD back then and the strongest in the verse.

After he defeated Cath? Absolutely, and you consider Arthur losing his arm as a bad feat is so believable as Gelda managing to bite the Demon King—what a pathetic argument.

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If Galahad was as strong as he thinks he is then he should’ve been able to at least beat a nerfed Lancelot but he wasn’t. Honestly Galahad hasn’t shown us anything to make me think he could beat Meliodas or Ban let alone Arthur with all of chaos

And chaos isn't all of Arthur's power; he also has Excalibur as an addition to his powers, a sword with a magical power recognized by Meliodas himself as enormous.

If Arthur at 100% is full chaos, then with Excalibur he is more stronger

 

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More fallacious than Lancelot? Lancelot's greatest feat was defeating Cath in Liones, and base Meliodas did it with even more ease. Everything else is pure speculation about his power, and in a manga where I can't trust the author's words, only his feats, I'll only take this statement seriously when Lancelot shows this hypothetical Shining Road Nemesis level, and so far nothing. Escanor was much better at it; he demonstrated it. Lancelot is just spouting fallacies.

Except we know Lancelot kills Ban with his true ST which the Demon King can't kill so yes he has the feats that backed up Lady of the Lake statement, Ban and everyone calls Lancelot the strongest none about Arthur with Chaos.

Him fighting equally with Ban, defeating the 4 perils easily, defeating pre-time Time Skip Arthur who calls him the strongest he has fought that includes Meliodas.

Lancelot has feats that backs his strongest hype.

While Arhur has both none statement and feats lol.

About Arthur? Do I need to remind you that when Cath attacked him, he had just received Chaos? Or are you going to ignore that?

Arthur and Chaos are a shared entity, so let's look at Chaos's feats: creating the world, creating the gods, creating the Infinite Lake, altering reality, time, and space. He also had an attack that could destroy Britannia, and that wasn't even his complete attack. Nakaba himself stated that Meliodas's True Magic is still below Chaos, and even now Chaos Lancelot is inferior to Meliodas.

Do you want more, or do I need to humiliate you in front of the whole forum?

I asked you for feats of Arthur with Full Chaos being the strongest, but now you using the excuse oh but he was newbie, but lets flex it's creation feats which at the end meant shit and was sealed by 2 of his creation.

So what Cath can create dimensions, control time, sent people back to time yet Lancelot can't do that and is still stronger with his true ST lol irrelevant.

And no Chaos Lancelot is not weaker than TM Meliodas.

I see you literally all weeks trying to dehype Chaos Lancelot oh but look he didn't one shot so he is weaker, so Cath statement of Lancelot being = To 100% Chaos was wrong....etc

Why don't you fucking wait until the whole arc is over before you spouse more of your gargabe nonsense and embarass yourself infront of the forum like a retard you're?.[/QUOTE]

 

[Capalot98]

Very funny coming from someone who laughed at Lancelot being the strongest when we have plenty of statements about and none about Arthur even with Chaos lmao and that was before they even knew he was Cath.

So basically my opinion > manga opinion biggest LOL I had in a while.

Show Arthur with full chaos feat then.

Dude got his arm devoured by Cath and his prrformance was lame asf, but sure he was already > DK/SD back then and the strongest in the verse.

Lmao.

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No statement in the manga puts Arthur above Lancelot there is none.

All and everyone call Lancelot the strongest.

That is the consistent thing about it.

There are no statements about Chaos Arthur period because his full power is never even gauged. Everyone calls Lancelot the strongest based on characters they’ve seen fight and literally no one has seen a full powered chaos Arthur fight not even us. We saw Arthur have all of chaos for 5 seconds before Cath blindsided him and took his arm and a piece of chaos from him

Imo this is a similar situation to Gojo and Sukuna from jjk. When they fought Sukuna basically said Gojo was only considered the strongest because he lived in an era that didn’t have him around and that was true. This situation is the same as Lancelot hasn’t lived in a world where full power chaos Arthur was around so by default he’s automatically considered the strongest

 

[Rey151203]

Except we know Lancelot kills Ban with his true ST which the Demon King can't kill so yes he has the feats that backed up Lady of the Lake statement, Ban and everyone calls Lancelot the strongest none about Arthur with Chaos.

Him fighting equally with Ban, defeating the 4 perils easily, defeating pre-time Time Skip Arthur who calls him the strongest he has fought that includes Meliodas.

Lancelot has feats that backs his strongest hype.






I asked you for feats of Arthur with Full Chaos being the strongest, but now you using the excuse oh but he was newbie, but lets flex it's creation feats which at the end meant shit and was sealed by 2 of his creation.

So what Cath can create a dimension, control time, sent people back to time yet Lancelot can't do that and is still stronger with his true ST lol irrelevant.

And no Chaos Lancelot is not weaker than TM Meliodas.

I see you literally all weeks trying to dehype Chaos Lancelot oh but look he didn't one shot so he is weaker, so Cath statement of Lancelot being = To 100% Chaos was wrong....etc

Why don't you fucking wait until the whole arc is over before you spouse more of your gargabe nonsense and embarass yourself infront of the forum like a retard you're?.

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Just by you swearing, I've already won this debate.

-ah yes a old ban nerfed.

-Because the manga has officially confirmed that Chaos and Arthur are now one and the same, his blood is the ultimate proof of that.

-These compliments matter about as much as the existence of an ant; they become worthless in the heat of battle, and capalot complemented my argument above.

-You didn't mention the feat of having a Nemesis-level attack using only a fraction of your power, did you? I know why.

-Who idiot uses seal feats to define power level? lol, It's like saying Chandler is stronger than Escanor because he can use the Night.

-Yes, Chaos Lancelot is weaker than Meliodas TM.

-Yes, I'll wait for this arc to end to see the Lancelot of Chaos be the biggest fallacy in the entire manga.

He's like a populist politician, he talks a lot and does little.

 

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So basically you have no statment nor feats that back up Arthur with Chaos as the strongest, but you're right

While the entire manga cast calls Lancelot the strongest but I'm wrong.

Sure.

Let's see who laughs at the end.

I know it will be me.

 

[Rey151203]

Except we know Lancelot kills Ban with his true ST which the Demon King can't kill so yes he has the feats that backed up Lady of the Lake statement, Ban and everyone calls Lancelot the strongest none about Arthur with Chaos.

Him fighting equally with Ban, defeating the 4 perils, defeating pre-time Time Skip Arthur who calls him the strongest he has fought that includes Meliodas.

DEMON KING CANT KILL??? HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Reread 7ds demon king arc, demon king meliodas vs ban, ban was humiliated.
That king statement pure lie.

-Are you talking about Cath pre-time skip Who fought against a restrained Meliodas? And had the arrogance to think he could defeat the Sins, and then was getting a beating from Meliodas in every way because he had no idea of the power of the Seven Deadly Sins? Yes, very reliable .

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So basically you have no statment nor feats that back up Arthur with Chaos as the strongest, but you're right

While the entire manga cast calls Lancelot the strongest but I'm wrong.

Sure.

Let's see who laughs at the end.

I know it will be me.

I mentioned them all above, but you ignore them because it's not convenient for you; that's just how fanboys are.

It seems you don't realize that Nakaba Suzuki isn't reliable in power scaling. You should have trusted that the 4 Evils could be compared to the Sins because Cath said they could? They got a beating.

 

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There are no statements about Chaos Arthur period because his full power is never even gauged. Everyone calls Lancelot the strongest based on characters they’ve seen fight and literally no one has seen a full powered chaos Arthur fight not even us. We saw Arthur have all of chaos for 5 seconds before Cath blindsided him and took his arm and a piece of chaos from him

Imo this is a similar situation to Gojo and Sukuna from jjk. When they fought Sukuna basically said Gojo was only considered the strongest because he lived in an era that didn’t have him around and that was true. This situation is the same as Lancelot hasn’t lived in a world where full power chaos Arthur was around so by default he’s automatically considered the strongest

So Basically there is none.

Okay.

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DEMON KING CANT KILL??? HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Reread 7ds demon king arco, demon king meliodas vs ban, ban is made of bitch.
pure fallacy

-Cath pre-time skip*

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I mentioned them all, but you ignore them because it's not convenient for you; that's just how fanboys are.

It seems you don't realize that Nakaba Suzuki isn't reliable in power scaling. You should have trusted that the 4 Evils could be compared to the Sins because Cath said they could? They got a beating.

YOU DIDN'T PROVIDE ANYTHING OTHER HURR DURR ARTHUR = CHAOS SO ALL OF IT'S CREATION FEATS SHOULD APPLY TO HIM TOO.

STUPID NONSENSE.

EVEN WHEN ARTHUR REGAINED THE LOST CHAOS THIS CATH TOOK FROM HIM HE DIDN'T DO SHIT AND WAS NEVER CONSIDERED THE STRONGEST.

 

[Capalot98]

So Basically there is none.

Okay.

Yea that’s literally what I just said, there are no statements about Chaos Arthur’s strength period which is why I’m so confused on why your so insistent on saying Lancelot is stronger then a character we’ve basically never seen.

You don’t even acknowledge the possibility that he could be stronger because in your mind you’ve decided no one will surpass him now or in the future when that’s not true. If Nakaba wants Chaos Arthur to be stronger then nothings stopping him from doing so in the future

 

[Rey151203]

So Basically there is none.

Okay.

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YOU DIDN'T PROVIDE ANYTHING OTHER HURR DURR ARTHUR = CHAOS SO ALL OF IT'S CREATION FEATS SHOULD APPLY TO HIM TOO.

STUPID NONSENSE.

EVEN WHEN ARTHUR REGAINED THE LOST CHAOS THIS CATH TOOK FROM HIM HE DIDN'T DO SHIT AND WAS NEVER CONSIDERED THE STRONGEST.

I feel like I'm in the lioness vs the monkey meme.
Why does it make no sense to use the feats of chaos on Arthur if he is officially the one who can use 100% of the power of chaos?

-Right after Arthur recovered Chaos, the manga ended, and during that period there were no fights, Arthur didn't face anything, How can you measure the power of someone you've never seen in action?

- the manga itself establishes the creation power of Chaos as a parameter for his level, Upon discovering the history of the chaos, Meliodas still calls chaos a "monster." Chaos' greatest feat was creating the planet; Cath, with an incomplete version of Chaos, had an attack capable of destroying the entire continent, Besides Merlin saying that if Cath were to obtain full chaos, it would be the end of the world, then both the destructive and creative power of chaos are balanced.

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that’s literally what I just said, there are no statements about Chaos Arthur’s strength period which is why I’m so confused on why your so insistent on saying Lancelot is stronger then a character we’ve basically never seen.

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And keep in mind that the author works by stepping stones; the next opponent is always strongest or equal to the previous

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You don’t even acknowledge the possibility that he could be stronger because in your mind you’ve decided no one will surpass him now or in the future when that’s not true. If Nakaba wants Chaos Arthur to be stronger then nothings stopping him from doing so in the future

I make your words my own.

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We saw King lie about Ban's feats, and still think the characters' glazes are reliable?

 

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Yea that’s literally what I just said, there are no statements about Chaos Arthur’s strength period which is why I’m so confused on why your so insistent on saying Lancelot is stronger then a character we’ve basically never seen.

You don’t even acknowledge the possibility that he could be stronger because in your mind you’ve decided no one will surpass him now or in the future when that’s not true. If Nakaba wants Chaos Arthur to be stronger then nothings stopping him from doing so in the future

Lancelot + Most of Chaos + Infinite Magic + Strongest Magic Power + > sorry but that easily makes up for more than than what the tiny piece this Arthur have of Chaos.

That is why Merlin said Chaos Lancelot is far stronger than 100% Chaos Cath

Also this Chaos was never stated to be stronger with Arthur until that is stated it's not a thing.

 

[Rey151203]

Lancelot + Most of Chaos + Infinite Magic + Strongest Magic Power + > sorry but that easily makes up for more than than what the tiny piece this Arthur have of Chaos.

That is why Merlin said Chaos Lancelot is far stronger than 100% Chaos Cath

Also this Chaos was never stated to be stronger with Arthur until that is stated it's not a thing.

Yes, the infinite magic that calls Chaos/Arthur his master, lol.

This claim of strongest magical power is pure fallacy until now.

Arthur has no power whatsoever;
He couldn't even regenerate. he only has the control over full chaos. So ask yourself and think more: if Cath possessed the majority of chaos, why would a tiny percentage allow her to defeat the Sins and cause the end of the world?

Just think.

Because Arthur's power is to control all chaos, something Cath cannot do. Let's take an example: if Cath has 80% of the chaos, he can only use 40% because he is not Arthur to control the entity; that is the maximum percentage of chaos he can use.

Chaos is no longer stronger with Arthur; he can only use his full power 100% with Arthur.
It would be even stronger if it possessed Excalibur, which enhances the user's powers.

Nakaba can make him stronger and will simply ignore Cath and Merlin's words because that's the kind of author he is.

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[Capalot98]

And keep in mind that the author works by stepping stones; the next opponent is always strongest or equal to the previous

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I make your words my own.

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We saw King lie about Ban's feats, and still think the characters' glazes are reliable?

Don’t get me wrong I do still think Lancelot has been the strongest character in 4kota since the start and I do believe Chaos Lancelot is as strong as he’s been stated to be despite what some people think after the most recent chapter. However Arthur with all of chaos is the only character I believe can surpass him (if Nakaba actually cared to follow the legends then Galahad should be stronger then him to but that’s a whole other topic)

Lancelot + Most of Chaos + Infinite Magic + Strongest Magic Power + > sorry but that easily makes up for more than than what the tiny piece this Arthur have of Chaos.

That is why Merlin said Chaos Lancelot is far stronger than 100% Chaos Cath

Also this Chaos was never stated to be stronger with Arthur until that is stated it's not a thing.

I doubt Chaos Lancelot is getting his hands on a st, he likely won’t get that until he’s freed from chaos so you can take that off your list.

As for Arthur him being a better host means more than you would like to give credit for. Just like any weapon compatibility matters and Arthur being confirmed to be the only true host for Chaos gives reason to believe he’s capable of using chaos to its full potential. Something both Cath and Lancelot are incapable of.

And also like @Rey151203 said there is also Excalibur that you haven’t considered which is separate from chaos but also part of Arthur’s kit and we never saw its full potential either.

If I end up being wrong then it is what it is I don’t have a problem with that but I think narratively there’s plenty of reason to believe Arthur could be stronger. Lancelot being the strongest til the end isn’t a forgone conclusion no matter how much you wanna believe so. A writer can always make someone else stronger if they want and like I mentioned earlier if Nakaba wants Arthur to be stronger there’s nothing stopping him from doing so

 

[Rey151203]

Don’t get me wrong I do still think Lancelot has been the strongest character in 4kota since the start and I do believe Chaos Lancelot is as strong as he’s been stated to be despite what some people think after the most recent chapter. However Arthur with all of chaos is the only character I believe can surpass him (if Nakaba actually cared to follow the legends then Galahad should be stronger then him to but that’s a whole other topic)

But I also think Lancelot is currently the strongest character in 4Kota and above the gods, but chaos Arthur and true magic Meliodas deserve the benefit of the doubt because they haven't been shown in action like others.

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What I insist on is that his difference from the gods is not as great as some thought it was.

And Lancelot also suffered from the Curse of being a villain, meaning he needs to be defeated, which automatically nerfs him.

 

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Yes, the infinite magic that calls Chaos/Arthur his master, lol.

This claim of strongest magical power is pure fallacy until now.

Arthur has no power whatsoever; he only has control over chaos. So ask yourself, if Cath possessed the majority of chaos, why would a small percentage allow her to defeat the Sins and cause the end of the world?

Because Arthur's power is to control all chaos, something Cath cannot do. Let's take an example: if Cath has 80% of the chaos, he can only use 40% because he is not Arthur to control the entity; that is the maximum percentage of chaos he can use.

Chaos is no longer stronger with Arthur; he can only use his full power 100% with Arthur.
It would be even stronger if it possessed Excalibur, which enhances the user's powers.

Nakaba can make him stronger and will simply ignore Cath and Merlin's words because that's the kind of author he is.

Chaos created her and it's mother so what? Still called Lancelot the strongest even after knowing Arthur have Chaos and Excalibur.

Not this shit again bro.

Cath was never ever stated not able to control all of Chaos ever if anything him absorbing more from Arthur would be redundant since according to you he can't control not even half of it that doesn't makes any sense.

I have no problem with him being above Lancelot in the future if Nakaba wants, but everyone and their mother right now calls Lance the strongest.