Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

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He's not surpassing them. He's going to assist so they can take the CB's down kinda like the dragonized earth energy for Erza. Elfman is their dragonized earth energy it seems.
 
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Mashima gave Mira Laxus-like durability in this chapter.

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Also this is what each of the S Class did with Wendy's power before Erza absorbed the power from the dragonized earth to win.



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I also saw people quoting Mashima talking about Natsu not being able to beat Laxus, Gildarts and Erza. Mashima also said the original scaling remains and we saw what that scaling was. I would say Jellal subs for Mystogan here and Mira is included rounding out the S class.

Laxus/Erza > Mira. But she's definitely could be close to them now.
 

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Laxus/Erza > Mira. But she's definitely could be close to them now.
What are you basing her being 'close' to them on and what are you basing her not being equal to them on, then?

Because if we have enough to say she's 'close' then we need something crucial to make the distinction 'but not equal to them'.

Why would Mashima make her close but not equal to her childhood rival, love interest and fellow S class mages?

We can't argue feats anymore since her latest feat has her injuring 2 Calamity Bloods simultaneously and saving Laxus himself in the process; we have her tanking the same moves as Laxus side by side and being equally injured. We also can't say she can match their peak but has stamina issues because Alegria which drained a lot of power is being used casually. We can argue Mashima talking about Erza being the strongest woman but then there is the issue of him also saying the original scaling stands and strongest title failing to block someone from being a rival to the strongest in these types of series (I recall a naruto manga intro stating Naruto is the strongest ninja in the leaf and then Sasuke's saying he is the only ninja who can match Naruto, for example).

There is also the case: Erza and Laxus are considered equals/considered more or less equal by Mashima but we saw her fall first and get up last vs Laxus who carried her around and zapped fodder. Coversely, Erza vs Erza had them falling the same time and breaking their peak gear simultaneously against one another.

So are we saying Mira would do worse than that vs either one of them, hypothetically?

Despite what people think I personally feel that, without Macro or other hax working, Mira vs Laxus would end probably like Erza vs Laxus because despite it being a virtual tie, Laxus came out a smidge better. Laxus vs Jura, spriggan and Kirin being labeled the strongest always had him look a little bit better than Erza without POF backing her and of course Laxus vs Erza itself. This also helped Jellal in the past given his feats against Jura, spriggan etc.

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On a side note I just noticed we have instances of Erza matching Laxus' attack and Mira matching Laxus' defense in 100 years quest.










Other side note: Jellal's bind snake and Mira's macro give them hax advantages against Erza, Laxus and even Gildarts, funny enough.
 
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What are you basing her being 'close' to them on and what are you basing her not being equal to them on, then?

Because if we have enough to say she's 'close' then we need something crucial to make the distinction 'but not equal to them'.

Why would Mashima make her close but not equal to her childhood rival, love interest and fellow S class mages?

We can't argue feats anymore since her latest feat has her injuring 2 Calamity Bloods simultaneously and saving Laxus himself in the process; we have her tanking the same moves as Laxus side by side and being equally injured. We also can't say she can match their peak but has stamina issues because Alegria which drained a lot of power is being used casually. We can argue Mashima talking about Erza being the strongest woman but then there is the issue of him also saying the original scaling stands and strongest title failing to block someone from being a rival to the strongest in these types of series (I recall a naruto manga intro stating Naruto is the strongest ninja in the leaf and then Sasuke's saying he is the only ninja who can match Naruto, for example).

There is also the case: Erza and Laxus are considered equals/considered more or less equal by Mashima but we saw her fall first and get up last vs Laxus who carried her around and zapped fodder. Coversely, Erza vs Erza had them falling the same time and breaking their peak gear simultaneously against one another.

So are we saying Mira would do worse than that vs either one of them, hypothetically?

Despite what people think I personally feel that, without Macro or other hax working, Mira vs Laxus would end probably like Erza vs Laxus because despite it being a virtual tie, Laxus came out a smidge better. Laxus vs Jura, spriggan and Kirin being labeled the strongest always had him look a little bit better than Erza without POF backing her and of course Laxus vs Erza itself. This also helped Jellal in the past given his feats against Jura, spriggan etc.

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On a side note I just noticed we have instances of Erza matching Laxus' attack and Mira matching Laxus' defense in 100 years quest.










Other side note: Jellal's bind snake and Mira's macro give them hax advantages against Erza, Laxus and even Gildarts, funny enough.
Well because Mashima just recently stated Erza was the strongest woman and Laxus is more or less her equal. Even though Mira definitely got an upscale she can't be considered their equal because she's canonically weaker even if it's not by much.

By Mashima statements he doesn't see Mira in a group with them tbh. He group Erza, Laxus and Gildarts twice together as the strongest guild members and only people who can beat non protagonist boost Natsu.
Of course the statement of "Laxus or Mira" the strongest would be in the middle. But that's was before Laxus got a huge power up. Which put him directly on Gildarts level.

I would need Mira to definitely get a power up to consider them actually equal since she is canonically weaker than them including Alergia.

Regarding the calamity bloods, Mira throwing scissor was spectacular! Hopefully it drops the Lucy and Wendy are stronger than Mira bs. But for Erza, it's highly likely Motherglare is much stronger than scissor runner. With Laxus against Levia he was only in base form matching dragon form Levia.
Of course Mira feat is way more impressive but she was in her strongest form while Laxus was in his weakest.
I definitely need to see more Mira feats against scissor to suggest she's actually their equal or a power up to show she's actually gotten stronger.

(I didn't say Wendy's boost since all of them got it lol)

In conclusion, Erza and Laxus directly got power ups that put them on par with Gildarts (Enchantments and TDK). Before they were weaker, and could be relative (Mira or Laxus statement). Mira got her Alergia but she's needs a power up too actually put her on that level since she hasn't gained no new powers that pushes her to another level (Gildarts tier).
For ex: let's say Gray and Gajeel were stated to be equals and on par. Then later Gray gets a power that pushes him to a new tier. While Gajeel hasn't shown anything new yet. Most people wouldn't consider them equals anymore unless Gajeel got a power up too.
 
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