Chapter Mokushiroku no Yonkishi Chapter 257 Spoilers & Discussion

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That vision is from a different timeline; the current one is different, and Chaos Lancelot wasn't in it. Ban was killed in a unknow different way

The biggest proof of this is Guinevere fearing for the world even though she herself says she will live until her 71 years old.

Aside from the invasion of Liones being completely different, and it's not a wrong view, kaleidoscope sees everything accurately.
That’s not a different timeline that’s definitely gonna happen in the future, it makes 0 sense to foreshadow a scene like that multiple times just for it to not happen.

The invasion of Liones also wasn't completely different the only difference was the armor Cath was wearing but other then that everything happened as it was shown
 

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That vision is from a different timeline; the current one is different, and Chaos Lancelot wasn't in it. Ban was killed in a unknow different way

The biggest proof of this is Guinevere fearing for the world even though she herself says she will live until her 71 years old.

Aside from the invasion of Liones being completely different, and it's not a wrong view, kaleidoscope sees everything accurately.
The way Nakaba has been portraying this whole future thing makes no sense. Why would we have another timeline when she explicitly said that her getting kidnapped by Carthur was supposed to happen ? What was supposed to happen then if not her telling him the future and then everything that is currently ensuing
 

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That’s not a different timeline that’s definitely gonna happen in the future, it makes 0 sense to foreshadow a scene like that multiple times just for it to not happen.

The invasion of Liones also wasn't completely different the only difference was the armor Cath was wearing but other then that everything happened as it was shown
So you read the wrong arc, because in Guinevere's vision, Liones was in flames, with dead people on the ground, in the real thing, nobody died and liones was not Burn, Yes, was very different, and Ban's death will also be for another reason; there are things that happen in any future.

It doesn't make sense to say there's a chaos ban, just because Guinevere's vision shows Lancelot in normal clothes; things will happen, but in completely different ways.
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The way Nakaba has been portraying this whole future thing makes no sense. Why would we have another timeline when she explicitly said that her getting kidnapped by Carthur was supposed to happen ? What was supposed to happen then if not her telling him the future and then everything that is currently ensuing
Yes, time is complicated. The most that can be explained is that Guinevere is in a paradox; she saw Cath making different changes, and then in the present, Cath makes another. You could even say that back then we were already living in a branching pattern.
 

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That’s not a different timeline that’s definitely gonna happen in the future, it makes 0 sense to foreshadow a scene like that multiple times just for it to not happen.

The invasion of Liones also wasn't completely different the only difference was the armor Cath was wearing but other then that everything happened as it was shown
There was more then just that different, and we have already seen that the future Guinevere saw isn't happening since she never saw them go to the Demon realm and all those events.

The way Nakaba has been portraying this whole future thing makes no sense. Why would we have another timeline when she explicitly said that her getting kidnapped by Carthur was supposed to happen ? What was supposed to happen then if not her telling him the future and then everything that is currently ensuing
Io's involvement was the change. The future she stated had them continue on with the mission as given by Meliodas, instead of them going off to the Demon realm, which only happen cause they met Io, something she appeared unaware of.
 

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So you read the wrong arc, because in Guinevere's vision, Liones was in flames, with dead people on the ground, in the real thing, nobody died and liones was not Burn, Yes, was very different, and Ban's death will also be for another reason; there are things that happen in any future.

It doesn't make sense to say there's a chaos ban, just because Guinevere's vision shows Lancelot in normal clothes; things will happen, but in completely different ways.
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Yes, time is complicated. The most that can be explained is that Guinevere is in a paradox; she saw Cath making different changes, and then in the present, Cath makes another. You could even say that back then we were already living in a branching pattern.
Nobody died because Elizabeth used her supreme healing power to save everyone which was also shown in Guinevere’s vision. Liones was also mostly destroyed like the vision showed missing fire isn’t really a big deal. I mentioned this before but I think yall get too caught up in thinking Guinevere’s visions are wrong or aren’t valid just because there are slight differences.

The differences between the vision and what actually happened are so minor they don’t even matter and
there most likely just artistic changes since the time between the vision and the real thing happening were years apart so Nakaba could’ve just wanted to update the scene. I doubt anything is gonna change with Lancelot and Ban, we never had any context on what lead to it anyway but the end result is still gonna be exactly as she saw it

There was more then just that different, and we have already seen that the future Guinevere saw isn't happening since she never saw them go to the Demon realm and all those events.
How isn’t it happening when things are still going as she saw them ? She predicted all the way back in part 1 that Lancelot would be sneaking in the tower to see her which didn’t happen until recently in part 2. She predicted the Liones invasion with Cath in the beginning of part 2 which just happened. The only thing that hasn’t happened yet is Lancelot killing ban which can still happen
 

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How isn’t it happening when things are still going as she saw them ? She predicted all the way back in part 1 that Lancelot would be sneaking in the tower to see her which didn’t happen until recently in part 2. She predicted the Liones invasion with Cath in the beginning of part 2 which just happened. The only thing that hasn’t happened yet is Lancelot killing ban which can still happen
Because we've seen that not all the things she foresaw have happen. Again, after the events in Wolnack, we were specifically told they continue onward to Dalmary by Guinevere. But that didn't happen. Instead they went to the Demon realm, which was outside of what Guinevere knew.
 

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Because we've seen that not all the things she foresaw have happen. Again, after the events in Wolnack, we were specifically told they continue onward to Dalmary by Guinevere. But that didn't happen. Instead they went to the Demon realm, which was outside of what Guinevere knew.
That didn’t happen because Cath told her to tell him what happens next and with that knowledge he actively went against it and did the exact opposite of what she said he would do in that scenario which changed the future again
 
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