Spoiler Mokushiroku no Yonkishi Chapter 258 Spoilers & Discussion

[Rey151203]

The Demon King's 'The Ruler' ability would protect him from Meliodas's hax, turning the fight into a pure clash of physical strength.

Only this give the advantage for dk.

But all the gods have evaporated.

 

[Mountain-Photo-165]

Only this give the advantage for dk.

But all the gods have evaporated.

True, I can't imagine Lancelot surviving True Magic Meliodas. I guess the question is: can Lancelot absorb it or not?

Unlike the Demon King's 'The Ruler' or Balin's 'Invincible,' Lancelot's magic absorption isn't passive.

It is a direct result of his magic vortex and depends entirely on its output.

If the vortex spins slowly and weakly, he won't absorb much of anything.

However, if the vortex spins fast and strong, there is a much higher chance he could absorb Meliodas's magic.

 

[shindo]

Meliodas already bypassed the ruler with his true magic, when he destroyed his flesh. And also when "god" failed against meliodas darkness, as zeldris noted.(there, like with ban, I think meliodas tapped a bit into it. A retcon, but nothing new)

 

[Mountain-Photo-165]

Meliodas already bypassed the ruler with his true magic, when he destroyed his flesh. And also when "god" failed against meliodas darkness, as zeldris noted.(there, like with ban, I think meliodas tapped a bit into it. A retcon, but nothing new)

Meliodas didn't bypass it , the demon king turned it off just a few pages ago because of Ban's gift.

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Spoiler: Was the Demon King actually capable of destroying Behemoth, or was putting it to sleep all he could do?

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So, how did the Behemoth come into existence?

The Demon Realm is a creation of the Demon King, so did he create the beast as well? Or did someone throw it into the Demon Realm just to mess with the demons?

Furthermore, why didn't the Demon King destroy it? Why was putting it to sleep all he did, without even attempting to destroy it?

Maybe he couldn't destroy it because it's simply too massive and powerful.

Or perhaps he could, but doing so would have led to the complete destruction of the Demon Realm itself.

Whatever the case, we're about to see what Lancelot is going to do to it.

But if his Chaos spear broke so easily from fighting Zeldris , how is it gonna be able to destroy the behemoth with a shining road ?

 

[Rey151203]

True, I can't imagine Lancelot surviving True Magic Meliodas

I believe Meliodas' magic isn't normal destruction, but rather erasure magic.

He can disintegrate whatever his magic reaches, completely ignoring the durability of the thing.

And regarding Lancelot, it would be a matter of luck to see who would be faster.

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So, how did the Behemoth come into existence?

The Demon Realm is a creation of the Demon King, so did he create the beast as well? Or did someone throw it into the Demon Realm just to mess with the demons?

Furthermore, why didn't the Demon King destroy it? Why was putting it to sleep all he did, without even attempting to destroy it?

I think chaos created it.


-Behemoth is a life spirit, DK can't kill him.

 

[shindo]

Meliodas didn't bypass it , the demon king turned it off just a few pages ago because of Ban's gift.

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Spoiler: Was the Demon King actually capable of destroying Behemoth, or was putting it to sleep all he could do?

--- Double Post Merged, Yesterday at 11:12 AM ---

So, how did the Behemoth come into existence?

The Demon Realm is a creation of the Demon King, so did he create the beast as well? Or did someone throw it into the Demon Realm just to mess with the demons?

Furthermore, why didn't the Demon King destroy it? Why was putting it to sleep all he did, without even attempting to destroy it?

Maybe he couldn't destroy it because it's simply too massive and powerful.

Or perhaps he could, but doing so would have led to the complete destruction of the Demon Realm itself.

Whatever the case, we're about to see what Lancelot is going to do to it.

But if his Chaos spear broke so easily from fighting Zeldris , how is it gonna be able to destroy the behemoth with a shining road ?

Eh, that's for ban, not for meliodas. Also, against sins, we saw the dk can switch between using it and not using it whenever he wants, and fast. Merlin was using decoy to confuse him. And the zeldris point remain.

 

[Mountain-Photo-165]

Eh, that's for ban, not for meliodas. Also, against sins, we saw the dk can switch between using it and not using it whenever he wants, and fast. Merlin was using decoy to confuse him. And the zeldris point remain.

It doesn't matter who it was for , he turned it off and forgot to turn it back on , Elizabeth and Merlin tricked him by utilizing this mechanic.

Thus he fell victim to Meliodas's true magic.

 

[Redpercy]

It seems some take advantage of the fact that Meliodas true magic was a plot device (a power-up sufficient to destroy the curses) which never appears again (there is a reason it was never mentioned after its debut, not even in the fanbook), and so he will never shown being on-screen, to overhype him and layer his strenght with countless headcanons.

In reality, all that is stated is that this form is stronger than the DK/SD individually (1vs.1), however, the gap is not significant, they are quite close in power, given that Meliodas had to sacrifice his True Magic just to destroy the Ten Commandments.

All the talk about that form possessing destructive hax and so on is nothing more than baseless headcanon stems either from a misunderstanding or biased exaggeration, such as seizing upon a sarcastic remark about him being close to the level of Mama Hawk, when even if we were to take that statement literally, it leads nowhere, as Mama Hawk is not the true form of Chaos but rather a sealed, restricted version of it.

Lancelot's strength is certainly incredible, but Zeldris was undoubtedly weakened by being trapped inside Lancelot's magic vortex.

In other words, Lancelot didn't defeat Zeldris with pure physical strength; rather, he restrained his movements using that vortex.

On the other hand, Escanor completely 'no-diffed' Zeldris—who possessed the power of the Demon King—using nothing but sheer physical strength.

In fact, he did it with just a single finger. So, if you ask me, Escanor's feat is more impressive if we're talking pure physical strength.

Still, I believe Lancelot can power up even further—turning his magic vortex from light colored to dark colored—to reach levels of strength that rival or even surpass Escanor but only if he has a Sacred Treasure.

Escanor didn't no-diff Zeldris (it low diff), and he certainly faced more difficulty with Zeldris.

His hand was damaged by the Ominous Nebula (albeit with only minor injuries), and it took him some time.

On the other hand, Lancelot no diff Zeldris super fast.

Furthermore, there is simply no comparison, while Escanor is very powerful, he still ranks below the Demon King, who is, in turn, far weaker than Lancelot.

 

[Mountain-Photo-165]

I believe Meliodas' magic isn't normal destruction, but rather erasure magic.

He can disintegrate whatever his magic reaches, completely ignoring the durability of the thing.

And regarding Lancelot, it would be a matter of luck to see who would be faster.

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I think chaos created it.

-Behemoth is a life spirit, DK can't kill him.

I think it's like Beerus's 'Hakai.'

As for the Behemoth, I'm more inclined to think the Great One created it for some reason.

Because life spirits simply spawn where life exists, the Behemoth is an anomaly—life spirits don't normally manifest like that.

The Behemoth is an unnatural life spirit, so it should fall under the authority of the Great One.

Chaos didn't seem to care about anything regarding demons besides creating the Demon King.

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Escanor didn't no-diff Zeldris (it low diff), and he certainly faced more difficulty with Zeldris.

His hand was damaged by the Ominous Nebula (albeit with only minor injuries), and it took him some time.

On the other hand, Lancelot no diff Zeldris super fast.

Furthermore, there is simply no comparison, while Escanor is very powerful, he still ranks below the Demon King, who is, in turn, far weaker than Lancelot.

Chaos Lancelot would certainly win against Escanor , he has Chaos regeneration after all.

But I'm talking pure physical strength because the one was on par with the demon king physically but not magically.

 

[Yakkun]

Lore-relevant question: Could Gelda turn Zeldris into a vampire to save him? Or is he dead-dead? Normally its no biggie for high rank demons to be cut apart up to a certain degree but somehow I am very sure Zel won't simply regenerate from this.

 

[Vortigern]

A very predictable chapter, including the Indura dying in one hit after it made the mistake of revealing its abilities right off the bat. I wonder if this means a proper Indura fight is now fully off the table for the sequel or if Nakaba deliberately saved the strongest type(Favor) for later? Either way, the comment about this thing sealing away the Archangels for 100 days is quite interesting since it serves as foreshadowing for the entire group to appear at some point rather than just Mael. I'd like to learn more about this incident given how the goddesses not having access to their strongest fighters for such a long time sounds like it would have spelled disaster for the clan. Losing Mael is what eventually prompted them to activate the Coffin at the cost of their bodies so you'd think that all four Archangels being disabled at the same time would have resulted in the same outcome.

I guess one way to explain the discrepancy is if we assume that this situation is what caused the SD to personally interfere in the fighting by using her Perfect Time to enable her weaker clansmen to keep up with the TC, as shown in a flashback when Elizabeth used the same technique. Still, the fact that a single Indura that wasn't even the strongest variant was able to effectively solo the Goddess Clan's elite unit calls into question the whole balance of power between the demons and the goddesses. Yes I know the war was supposedly just a game for the deities, but if the SD resorted to using the Coffin after Mael went missing then she clearly cared about the equilibrium between the two clans on some level. This new addition to the lore also seems to contradict Ludociel's dismissive reaction to Monspeet and Derieri turning into Indura. If just one such monster had previously humiliated him and his buddies then the prospect of having to face two of them at the same time should have been a massive concern right off the bat. And no, I don't believe the 100 day seal could have taken place after that fight considering how demon-Gowther put an end to the war soon after his escape from prison.

People are discussing how Cath's remark about the DK and SD's power being needed to seal Chaos away is foreshadowing something along those lines happening again, but I got the exact opposite impression. Cath bringing that up seems to be intended to establish that defeating Chaos this way is no longer possible because the only two entities capable of doing it are not around anymore. Such an outcome would also put an end to the whole Age of Chaos, which is very unlikely to happen this soon. There will therefore have to be a different solution, presumably one related to pulling Cath and Chaos out of Lancelot. Nakaba really likes this plot point, as shown by him making repeated use of it through Jericho's demon parasite, Fraudrin possessing Dreyfus, Mael getting corrupted by the Commandments, the DK taking over the bodies of his sons, the Perils falling under Cath's influence and so on. You just have to extract or purge the evil influence to return the victim back to normal. Ban and Gowther are practically experts at this stuff by now with how many times they've done it.

Also, Zeldris is not going to die. Nakaba likes to tease the deaths of notable characters but he is extremely reluctant to actually go through with it. Almost every such death has either been a fake-out, such as Hawk surviving Hendrickon's attack, or it has simply been undone somehow akin to what happened to Escanor. When a death scene does take place it's turned into an emotional ordeal to milk it for all it's got as seen with Jade, though sometimes even that is not enough since Helbram had to go through two or three of them. Point being, Zeldris is not going to kick the bucket like this, especially without saying goodbye to Gelda first. Either Lancelot is simply going to seal him away, perhaps with the same moon technique he used to defeat the Chaos Knights recently since it's not clear what it did to them, or Schwarz is going to swoop in to the rescue seeing how Nakaba strategically placed him nearby. Lancelot getting distracted by sensing Behemoth nearby is an easy way to create an opening and to show the full extent of his power against an enemy that should be on par with him.

Nakaba no longer cares about those titles, Because he explicitly stated that those names were how the people of Camelot perceived them, so don't worry about the Nakaba's poor writing.

I disagree. I'm confident the titles were always going to tie into the apocalypse that is in the title of the series. The whole thing about the KotA being prophesied to destroy Cath and the Eternal Kingdom instead of Britannia was just a misdirection, similar to what happened with the prophecy in Liones. Recall how the characters thought the prophecy regarding an assassin of Chaos was already over until it suddenly started raining again and Lancelot realized they were wrong.

Spoiler

This exact kind of scene is going to happen with the apocalypse prophecy as well. Everyone will assume it's already in the past so there's nothing to worry about, until things suddenly start going wrong again as a surprise twist. Eventually the KotA will unintentionally bring about the downfall of the real Arthur and his kingdom, as I've been predicting for years now.

Because life spirits simply spawn where life exists, the Behemoth is an anomaly—life spirits don't normally manifest like that.

The Behemoth is an unnatural life spirit, so it should fall under the authority of the Great One.

Life spirits don't spawn where life exists, they are the energy that enables life. This is why Percival draining Chion's arm of its spirits resulted in its mummification and why Nadula Gimala, a technique that attempts to release the target's life spirits, caused Worreldane to instantly age by decades. Remove the spirits and all you'll be left with is inanimate dead tissue. Conversely, summoning a spirit into a corpse will bring it back to life, as seen when Ironside created Percival.

And as I've told you before, Behemoth is not a life spirit. This is stated quite plainly if you go back and read the chapters where Percival encounters his brethren.

Spoiler

Bouncyval identifies life spirits as a source of energy that exists within all living creatures, whether it's humans, the other clans or Behemoth. We even got a direct glimpse of this when Percival managed to follow Turret's invisible Purgatory monster by detecting its life spirits.

Spoiler

The only difference between this thing and Behemoth is the volume of the clump of spirits, which is presumably the result of the difference in either size or power between the hosts. Point being, life spirits don't create matter, they merely animate it. I could maybe buy the Great One being responsible for bestowing Behemoth with an unusually large number of life spirits, but its physical body had to have been formed through some other means, likely artificially given the fact that it's the only one of its kind. Chaos is really the only plausible explanation here and it also ties neatly into Behemoth's origin in the Bible as a primordial chaos monster created by God. In theory it could even predate the deities. Zeldris said the demons benefit from the life force the beast emits so the DK could have deliberately chosen to include it within his realm in order to strengthen his clan. Perhaps that could explain the difference in strength between them and the other clans.

 

[MeliodasDeUzy]

If Zeldris dies, Cringealot should hide under a rock for the rest of his life. What a clown

Lancelot would no diff your sins

 

[Mountain-Photo-165]

Life spirits don't spawn where life exists, they are the energy that enables life. This is why Percival draining Chion's arm of its spirits resulted in its mummification and why Nadula Gimala, a technique that attempts to release the target's life spirits, caused Worreldane to instantly age by decades. Remove the spirits and all you'll be left with is inanimate dead tissue. Conversely, summoning a spirit into a corpse will bring it back to life, as seen when Ironside created Percival.

And as I've told you before, Behemoth is not a life spirit. This is stated quite plainly if you go back and read the chapters where Percival encounters his brethren.

Spoiler

Bouncyval identifies life spirits as a source of energy that exists within all living creatures, whether it's humans, the other clans or Behemoth. We even got a direct glimpse of this when Percival managed to follow Turret's invisible Purgatory monster by detecting its life spirits.

Spoiler

The only difference between this thing and Behemoth is the volume of the clump of spirits, which is presumably the result of the difference in either size or power between the hosts. Point being, life spirits don't create matter, they merely animate it. I could maybe buy the Great One being responsible for bestowing Behemoth with an unusually large number of life spirits, but its physical body had to have been formed through some other means, likely artificially given the fact that it's the only one of its kind. Chaos is really the only plausible explanation here and it also ties neatly into Behemoth's origin in the Bible as a primordial chaos monster created by God. In theory it could even predate the deities. Zeldris said the demons benefit from the life force the beast emits so the DK could have deliberately chosen to include it within his realm in order to strengthen his clan. Perhaps that could explain the difference in strength between them and the other clans.

I understand your point , you're saying the Behemoth is just a normal beast , he simply contains large amount of life spirits like any other being does.

But the problem is that Jiggly-Percival said that the life spirits are identity of the behemoth and even the wiki lists the behemoth as a life spirit.

He even functions like a life spirit , benefits or harms the demon realm , like Percy's hope and despair powers.

Chaos doesn't seem to care about other races that much , it seems like it simply created the demon king and left him to mind his on business like creating the demon realm.

 

[Rey151203]

People are discussing how Cath's remark about the DK and SD's power being needed to seal Chaos away is foreshadowing something along those lines happening again, but I got the exact opposite impression. Cath bringing that up seems to be intended to establish that defeating Chaos this way is no longer possible because the only two entities capable of doing it are not around anymore. Such an outcome would also put an end to the whole Age of Chaos, which is very unlikely to happen this soon. There will therefore have to be a different solution, presumably one related to pulling Cath and Chaos out of Lancelot. Nakaba really likes this plot point, as shown by him making repeated use of it through Jericho's demon parasite, Fraudrin possessing Dreyfus, Mael getting corrupted by the Commandments, the DK taking over the bodies of his sons, the Perils falling under Cath's influence and so on. You just have to extract or purge the evil influence to return the victim back to normal. Ban and Gowther are practically experts at this stuff by now with how many times they've done it.

Yeah, I think you're right.

 

[Demonspeed]

Lancelot would no diff your sins

You really believe this?

 

[Zezu1995]

Meliodas already bypassed the ruler with his true magic, when he destroyed his flesh. And also when "god" failed against meliodas darkness, as zeldris noted.(there, like with ban, I think meliodas tapped a bit into it. A retcon, but nothing new)

tbh darkness is negative power and not magic . demons used their darkness after the seal with 0 magical energy. but yes darkness can be used with magic for certain skills but its a demonic trait of negative power .

 

[Rey151203]

disagree. I'm confident the titles were always going to tie into the apocalypse that is in the title of the series. The whole thing about the KotA being prophesied to destroy Cath and the Eternal Kingdom instead of Britannia was just a misdirection, similar to what happened with the prophecy in Liones. Recall how the characters thought the prophecy regarding an assassin of Chaos was already over until it suddenly started raining again and Lancelot realized they were wrong.

Spoiler

This exact kind of scene is going to happen with the apocalypse prophecy as well. Everyone will assume it's already in the past so there's nothing to worry about, until things suddenly start going wrong again as a surprise twist. Eventually the KotA will unintentionally bring about the downfall of the real Arthur and his

But shouldn't they be allies? It would be an interesting scene if Bartra delivered one last prophecy and, before dying, said, "The prophecy isn't over yet."

 

[Yakkun]

Lancelot runs a gauntlet, that's obvious for sure. Next is probably the Archangels, the outcome'll stay the same with only a mild increase in diffuculty I guess. Ban might be final boss or the 3 KotA are, eithet works for maximum physical and emotional damage but I don't expect much deviation from the formula. The 3KotA will end it by exorcizing Chaos/Cath from Lancelot and then some sloppy, horribly cringe redemption moment or arc will come

 

[Mountain-Photo-165]

Lancelot runs a gauntlet, that's obvious for sure. Next is probably the Archangels, the outcome'll stay the same with only a mild increase in diffuculty I guess. Ban might be final boss or the 3 KotA are, eithet works for maximum physical and emotional damage but I don't expect much deviation from the formula. The 3KotA will end it by exorcizing Chaos/Cath from Lancelot and then some sloppy, horribly cringe redemption moment or arc will come

There are no archangels left , only Mael , he's not just the only archangel , he's the only goddess in existence right now.

Ban will be possessed to save Lancelot but that doesn't mean he's the final villain of part 2.

The final villain is obviously Cath and he will be when he absorbs Arthur's Chaos , thus possessing all the powers of Chaos.

 

[Zezu1995]

ban letting an arcangel fuse with him would be goated his op body with a grace thats gg