Spoiler Mokushiroku no Yonkishi Chapter 258 Spoilers & Discussion

[shindo]

tbh darkness is negative power and not magic . demons used their darkness after the seal with 0 magical energy. but yes darkness can be used with magic for certain skills but its a demonic trait of negative power .

In that case meliodas used a magic attack, because zeldris pointed out "god" wasn't working. No reason to do it if it was something that normally can't be stopped by the ruler.

 

[Mighty Escanor]

The Demon King and Supreme Deity duo are represented within the 4KOTA.

Tristan possesses elements of both. Lancelot holds the raw power, while Gawain wields the knowledge and spells—which makes me wonder if she also inherited the blessings given to Merlin by the Demon King and Supreme Deity , so far this is enough to seal it but Percival, however, likely possesses the ability to negate Chaos's immortality, ultimately leading to its demise , he's an essential piece.

Negating Chaos immortality is literally said to be the effect of the holy grail. So that's the role of the new gears, not Percy's own ability.

 

[Rey151203]

There are no archangels left , only Mael , he's not just the only archangel , he's the only goddess in existence right now.

Ban will be possessed to save Lancelot but that doesn't mean he's the final villain of part 2.

The final villain is obviously Cath and he will be when he absorbs Arthur's Chaos , thus possessing all the powers of Chaos.

Nakaba said that the archangels will be resurrected by grace and the goddesses have returned to life in the film.

 

[Capalot98]

Negating Chaos immortality is literally said to be the effect of the holy grail. So that's the role of the new gears, not Percy's own ability.

Don’t mess with us 4kota fans, we don’t read our own manga

 

[Mountain-Photo-165]

Negating Chaos immortality is literally said to be the effect of the holy grail. So that's the role of the new gears, not Percy's own ability.

No , not Immortality provided by Chaos , but Chaos's own immortality.

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Nakaba said that the archangels will be resurrected by grace and the goddesses have returned to life in the film.

The goddesses aren't dead , they just lost their bodies because they sacrificed them to seal away the demon clan.

They exist in Astral forms currently.

 

[OtakuFreak]

Archangel slander dropping out of nowhere rofl Nakaba although that's actually a pretty big thing to mention since the balance of power between both races was very delicate and even the death of 2 commandments was enough to trigger a holy war. An archangel is worth more than two commandments, even if its the weakest one (Sariel or Tarmiel) so to have one of them sealed away for 100 days.... if its multiple then how tf did the demons not commit to a holy war themselves? Nakaba please, we need a prequel to the prequel atp

Cath's point seems like foreshadowing for Tristan? I mean, Meliodas and Elizabeth in their divine forms would be able to seal Chaos away but I don't think Nakaba intends for them to do that. If Elizabeth does wake up, then in theory she could use her SD powers again since she didn't sacrifice / abandon them like Meli... but as for Meli, maybe he can get them back at the cost of his life or something? Maybe they both sacrifice themselves permanently to do it and that's how Chaos is fully dealt with? But then what about Arthur? The 4KOA's prophecy and general mission in the narrative? Maybe they only delay Chaos for a bit till it comes back and then the 4KOA have a timeskip power-up?

I also don't see Tristan ever becoming SD / DK level, brother has been a disappointment for this entire sequel and Nakaba clearly gets off on that. Also seeing how the 4KOA's children are just weaker than them too genetically, it seems as if nobody will ever reach SD / DK level again and Eli / Meli were the last to achieve and surpass their parents level.

As for Zeldris, he take's every L so gracefully ngl, give him the in-universe award for never backing down even when he's about to be fodderized for the fourth time in his career

while True Magic Meliodas would easily defeat the Supreme Deity due to his destruction hax,

The SD has complete immunity to physical damage and perfect time which is described as the ultimate healing magic with no confirmed counter or flaw outside of Elizabeth's stamina / time issue.

It's also 50 / 50 whether Mel's destruction hax would ignore perfect time, or if it would be treated like any other damage source and just finger wagged by perfect time instead. Considering Cath (who could manipulate time) was running away before he saw Elizabeth's stamina problem, I'd go for the latter and also how Nakaba conveniently never gave her this ability before she died (she's literally unbeatable).

Saying he would easily defeats her is just incorrect no matter what, he had superiority to the Gods but not enough to defeat them ''easily''

 

[Mountain-Photo-165]

The SD has complete immunity to physical damage and perfect time which is described as the ultimate healing magic with no confirmed counter or flaw outside of Elizabeth's stamina / time issue.

It's also 50 / 50 whether Mel's destruction hax would ignore perfect time, or if it would be treated like any other damage source and just finger wagged by perfect time instead. Considering Cath (who could manipulate time) was running away before he saw Elizabeth's stamina problem, I'd go for the latter and also how Nakaba conveniently never gave her this ability before she died (she's literally unbeatable).

Saying he would easily defeats her is just incorrect no matter what, he had superiority to the Gods but not enough to defeat them ''easily''

Meliodas doesn't need physical damage to deal with her , his true magic functions like Beerus's "Hakai" , it's not physical.

Also , Meliodas can enchant his physical attacks with magic , just like he did in cursed by light movie.

Perfect time might save her but for how long ?

Let's not forgt that Emotion Meliodas who's a far weaker version of Meliodas managed to destroy the purgatory demon king's arm like it's nothing even though the difference in power is huge , Emotion Meliodas was like an insect compared to the purgatory demon king , yet his arm was destroyed instantly , that's just how powerful of a hax it is.

 

[Redpercy]

Meliodas doesn't need physical damage to deal with her , his true magic functions like Beerus's "Hakai" , it's not physical.

Pure Headcanon

0 feat or narrative or statement prove that

 

[Mountain-Photo-165]

Pure Headcanon

0 Prof

Emotion Meliodas who's a far weaker version of Meliodas managed to destroy the purgatory demon king's arm like it's nothing even though the difference in power is huge , Emotion Meliodas was like an insect compared to the purgatory demon king , yet his arm was destroyed instantly , that's just how powerful of a hax it is.

If it wasn't destruction hax then how do you explain this ?

 

[Redpercy]

Emotion Meliodas who's a far weaker version of Meliodas managed to destroy the purgatory demon king's arm like it's nothing even though the difference in power is huge , Emotion Meliodas was like an insect compared to the purgatory demon king , yet his arm was destroyed instantly , that's just how powerful of a hax it is.

If it wasn't destruction hax then how do you explain this ?

Simply by that he have high attack potency, nothing lead to anything about destruction hax or any random shii like that

And i don’t see how Meliodas not possessing his real body would affect his true magic, while the lack of his original body certainly impacts his physical strength (which is the primary source of his power) I don't see how it would affect his true magic.

 

[Mountain-Photo-165]

Simply by that he have high attack potency, nothing lead to anything about destruction hax or any random shii like that

And i don’t see how Meliodas not possessing his real body would affect his true magic, while the lack of his original body certainly impacts his physical strength (which is the primary source of his power) I don't see how it would affect his true magic.

How could emotion Meliodas have enoough attack potency to harm the purgatory demon king ? , he's just Meliodas's emotions.

Emotions should be far inferior to the real deal in everything , not just physical strength.

 

[Yakkun]

So Nakaba is foreshadow-dropping the Archies getting their one chapter good bye highlight reel to then be absolutely brutalized right after.

Thank you, glorious sensei. Mael, if there is some last minute ticket for you and your brothers to whatever meta plane of light goddesses can exist in exclusively to them - TAKE IT NOW, PLEEEEEAAASE?!!

Alternatively I have a new, unused pair of flip flops at my house (size too small, I got weird feet) you can possess those!!

 

[OtakuFreak]

Meliodas doesn't need physical damage to deal with her , his true magic functions like Beerus's "Hakai" , it's not physical.

Also , Meliodas can enchant his physical attacks with magic , just like he did in cursed by light movie.

Perfect time might save her but for how long ?

Let's not forgt that Emotion Meliodas who's a far weaker version of Meliodas managed to destroy the purgatory demon king's arm like it's nothing even though the difference in power is huge , Emotion Meliodas was like an insect compared to the purgatory demon king , yet his arm was destroyed instantly , that's just how powerful of a hax it is.

Mel's true magic is still ultimately, just doing damage to his target even if its under the ''hax'' of doing it by ignoring durability or defensive magic (which explains how he bypassed the ruler and severed the DK's arm like it was nothing). Since its damage, perfect time will heal it the instant it happens just like any other source. I think Nakaba clearly not letting the SD use this when she was alive, and then giving it to Elizabeth under strict circumstances (costing her life and a time limit) makes me think there's genuinely nothing that can beat it, except for maybe reality warping via Chaos.

Mel's stronger than the SD but she's still perfectly able to wound and afflict him with her magic and if the fight is setup where she's invulnerable to all damage it's really just a slow battle until Mel succumbs to his wounds unable to hurt her back, or at least in any meaningful way since there's no reason perfect time cannot be toggled on/off for a quick and immediate heal.

 

[SamuraiPunchFruit]

In the next episode, Zeldris will be revealed to be alive. Indeed, while Zeldris was absolutely ready to die, Lancelot was gracious enough (and was conveniently still sane enough) to spare one or two of his hearts. Next, we see our great demon lord thanking the bewildered dumb blondie who was ready to throw himself off of a cliff because of the many NPC lives he takes

"Thank you, Lancelot. I'm still alive thanks to you still grasping at this thin thread of sanity inside you"

He smiles, pat his shoulder, everyone surrond Lancelot while reassuring him that he did no wrong and is forgiven and there goes the story

All that to say that I don't believe one second Zel is dead. He'll stay down until Lance get the hell out of the Demon realm then come back so that Lancelot's hands may stay covered in the blood of no faces nobodies only.

 

[Mountain-Photo-165]

So Nakaba is foreshadow-dropping the Archies getting their one chapter good bye highlight reel to then be absolutely brutalized right after.

Thank you, glorious sensei. Mael, if there is some last minute ticket for you and your brothers to whatever meta plane of light goddesses can exist in exclusively to them - TAKE IT NOW, PLEEEEEAAASE?!!

Alternatively I have a new, unused pair of flip flops at my house (size too small, I got weird feet) you can possess those!!

I'm waiting for Mael at high noon state.

He should be able to give Lancelot a run for his money.

Escanor was physically comparable to the demon king in the one state.

Now imagine Mael ,the original user of sunshine, he should be way stronger.

 

[tdtd1234]

So is it specified if the Indura sealed a member of the 4 archangels or all 4 at the same time?

 

[Yakkun]

I'm waiting for Mael at high noon state.

He should be able to give Lancelot a run for his money.

Escanor was physically comparable to the demon king in the one state.

Now imagine Mael ,the original user of sunshine, he should be way stronger.

The issue I have with all that is that Mael's story basically accumulated and then concluded with him breaking out of the cycle of war, although in a completely different fashion from Meliodas: He gave up. Mael will fight if its for self defense or possibly even for defense of his clan members. But he will not be a character who goes full blast from the start and he sure as hell won't be the one to throw the first stone. He is done.

And even with all that magic power - provided he still has his Grace right now. Can he really put up a fight similar to how Zeldris did? I mean, he would have to do A LOT better than Zeldris did. A huge amount, considering Lancelot didn't even break a sweat in this very here chapter. The only thing that strained Lancelot - which we already guessed last week - was him desperately trying to keep his sanity and throttling Cath from going full apeshit in his body. The brakes are off the train, for the time being.

I cannot from the top of my head imagine a scenario where Lancelot wouldn't end up in the same situation against the 4AA and just murdering them. Sariel and Tarmiel didn't exactly strike me as being Zeldris-level. Mael and Ludoshel certainly can be but again, they would have to be considerably stronger than Zeldris to even be a match against Lancelot, let alone win.

The only thing I could imagine is this: Nakaba brings back the team mode again that the Archangels seem to have but was never really elaborated on: God's Domain. Sariel and Tarmiel could synergize their Graces and it created a pocket dimension in which they trapped Estarossa at the time and demolished him with their combined powers until he took in yet another Commandment.

The only thing that can put up a solid defense against Lancelot is if all four of the Archangels combine their Graces into a massive God's Domain and even then I am not sure it will be enough.

No, I'm certain it would not be enough. Because the whole point of all this is - as usual - that Lancelot wins. All of this destruction, all of this sacrifice of our beloved heroic characters who stand against Chaos Lance is simply just here so that the Grail Knights will have a more prominent role and justification in Part 3 to correct all the crap from how this current timeline evolved. They will fix all that. Jericho, Zeldris, Mael and the Archangels, Ban and who knows who else will all die and the realms will be devasted and divided because of Chaos Lancelot and I bet you five imaginary dollars or whatever that Part 3 will heavily focus on the 4KotA and the Grail Knights working together to fix the timeline and return it to the best version of itself. There will obviously come some opposition in the form of either a new villain or an old one who ends up being the result of all the timeline tampering (you know, because this is a popular fictional plot line) but Part 3 will be that after Lancelot comes to, Cath is dead or sealed again and the former regrets all his decisions and vows to dedicated his life to fix the shit he wrought and thus enters Arthur's service with all the other future Round Table Knights.

 

[kkck]

Well, i kinda expected Zeldris to get one more chapter but otherwise everything went precisely as one would expect; Zeldris got unceremoniously one shot. I suppose there's a non zero chance of him surviving since demons are hard to kill but I am not sure if that simply adds or not to the indignity of getting killed by pantscelot.

I suppose if we are lucky pantcelot's next stop is the goddess realm and we get to see mael get one shot while using the one.

 

[Covers]

Well, i kinda expected Zeldris to get one more chapter but otherwise everything went precisely as one would expect; Zeldris got unceremoniously one shot. I suppose there's a non zero chance of him surviving since demons are hard to kill but I am not sure if that simply adds or not to the indignity of getting killed by pantscelot.

I suppose if we are lucky pantcelot's next stop is the goddess realm and we get to see mael get one shot while using the one.

Then Mael can finally join his bothers in the afterlife!

 

[kkck]

I suppose cath deserves a little credit, figuring out that if he keeps Gwen safe the Lancelot won't have any excuse whatsoever to hold back. It also stands to reason that Gwen is lancelot's weakness. It'd almost be interesting if the way to break the contract was to temporarily kill gwen.