Chapter Fairy Tail: 100YQ Chapter 223 Discussion

[Laboon]

How many times ive seen this type of post here

I think the only time we were ever right was in Gruvia's fight against Anchor, which was also a Unison Raid

 

[Shiki_Dragneel]

FF,OSechs and CB are just here to make the manga longer.And so far,my call of "100YQ will end around september next year" does not look so good anymore

I would not be surprised if another group of villains will appear lol

Its still fucking crazy that hiro gives elfman screentime and feats,meanwhile Diabolos and Gildarts are getting benched.Even in Re:Fantasia,Gildarts did nothing

That with Diabolos ist so fucking stupid. Instead of real DS we got "fake" DS


Mashima once said that Gildarts too strong....so he is stronger than the CB and the DG?

 

[AmitDS]

I have a feeling Levia isn't defeated yet.

Maybe will get a Laxus and Elfman team up instead.

Always thought they would be a great duo.

Lol why would Laxus team up with Elfman and not Mira?

 

[Steven]

I think the only time we were ever right was in Gruvia's fight against Anchor, which was also a Unison Raid

Yeah.That and Earthbuild.Outside of that,never.

I would not be surprised if another group of villains will appear lol

Out of nowhere?FF was trash,OSechs was trash and CB is for the most part also trash.Better focus on Ignia.Dont wanna see a rushed boring ass final fight again

 

[Shiki_Dragneel]

Out of nowhere?FF was trash,OSechs was trash and CB is for the most part also trash.Better focus on Ignia.Dont wanna see a rushed boring ass final fight again

If Mashima wants he can do it, would not surprise me at least.

I wonder if Ignia is the final enemy or Faris. If it's Faris maybe she has another elite group somewhere?

I hope not.

 

[Steven]

I wonder if Ignia is the final enemy or Faris. If it's Faris maybe she has another elite group somewhere?

Neither of this clowns are final villain material.I say that now since several years

Elfseria,Sun Dragongod or a entire new character should it be

 

[SleipnirX]

Not amazing stuff, but it was nice to get a bit from Elfman, and the extra worldbuilding around takeover magic. If he could do more along these lines with other supporting characters it would add some interest back into what's been a very flat series for a long time now. In the latter part of the main series, I missed the roving spotlight for secondary characters that pretty much stopped after Tenrou Island (Cana). There was a bit on Flare in the Sun Village arc, but she isn't FT, and Tartaros and Alvarez were very much geared towards Natsu-Zeref, and Erza-Irene for the latter, so main cast, not supporting.

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Neither of this clowns are final villain material.I say that now since several years

Elfseria,Sun Dragongod or a entire new character should it be

Kind of agree, though Elefseria would be a weird final villain at this point? I think it may still end up being something unintentional happens after all the DG are sealed, but I don't think he'll necessarily have a fiendish plot or anything.

It's a shame for a second time basically nothing has been made of Natsu's brother. Zeref's relationship to him basically meant nothing as he couldn't remember him, so it was a bit of a wasted plot point, but Ignia was a good opportunity to explore Natsu's feelings with Igneel more. Igneel's human form cameo didn't even involve Ignia, and that could have been an interesting dynamic. At the very least Ignia's resemblance to Igneel and the fact he's his actual son should make Natsu feel something? It was meant to be one of his key driving motivations after all, and never really got fully resolved.

 

[Elfman]

Lol why would Laxus team up with Elfman and not Mira?

Because one (Elfman) is more useful than the other (Mira). Literally took out a dragon by himself with no team setup. He had two Dragon Gods under his thumb simultaneously, even for a moment; one controlled as literally the Dragon itself, and one ended up killed in that very moment.

 

[Steven]

Kind of agree, though Elefseria would be a weird final villain at this point? I think it may still end up being something unintentional happens after all the DG are sealed, but I don't think he'll necessarily have a fiendish plot or anything

Probaly but i like my evil elfseria plotline.I know that this "the guy act very questionable the entire time" is 99,9% based on "Hiro just writes stuff on the fly".And not a setup for the endgame.

But something has to happen when all 5 DGs are killed/sealed.The symbol on the wall didnt reacted and got a crack on it for no reasons after 1 of them lost.Unless that was also just a "that might look cool" moment.Which...yeah,i doubt Hiro remembers that thing anymore

I mean,100YQ has barely a plot at all.

with no team setup.

Ah yeah,Laxus/Mira tanking their atttacks while Elfman stays behind them is no team setup.

 

[Shiki_Dragneel]

Elfseria,Sun Dragongod or a entire new character should it be

If Elefseria will not play a role anymore than he is the most useless DS/Dragon and GM in the whole franchise.
Sun dragon could also be Natsu, if he gets a new power up.

I wonder if Mashima has plans with the sun dragon after all the years. I hope so because he is the last one from the 7 elements.

There was a bit on Flare in the Sun Village arc, but she isn't FT, and Tartaros and Alvarez were very much geared towards Natsu-Zeref, and Erza-Irene for the latter, so main cast, not supporting.

If Mashima still knows who she is or the village maybe he will use that for a connection to the sun dragon (if this dragon will still play a role)

It's a shame for a second time basically nothing has been made of Natsu's brother. Zeref's relationship to him basically meant nothing as he couldn't remember him, so it was a bit of a wasted plot point, but Ignia was a good opportunity to explore Natsu's feelings with Igneel more. Igneel's human form cameo didn't even involve Ignia, and that could have been an interesting dynamic. At the very least Ignia's resemblance to Igneel and the fact he's his actual son should make Natsu feel something? It was meant to be one of his key driving motivations after all, and never really got fully resolved.

Thats something I also miss in the manga. I liked that during the Aldoron arc Natsu only called Zeref his brother but I still miss moments between them. He not even took Zerefs necklace after his death, what is a shame too imo.

I don't know if Natsu will accept Ignia as his brother but I don't think that Hiro will kill Ignia. After the battle is over I think that Ignia will accept Natsu and his friends. He often gave Natsu a chance to join him and he has a son with a human and he wanted never "kill" the humans but turn them into dragons. So I don't think that he really hates humans so much.

Maybe the story will end with a new magma carta? The last few dragons (Selene. Mercphobia, Ignia) will make a new pact with the humans? An live side by side.

 

[Loke]

Because one (Elfman) is more useful than the other (Mira). Literally took out a dragon by himself with no team setup. He had two Dragon Gods under his thumb simultaneously, even for a moment; one controlled as literally the Dragon itself, and one ended up killed in that very moment.

Elfman w/ no team set up = dead from Scissors Roar. Luckily he had two tanks there to cover for him. He also would have died from fall damage were it not for Sorano. Can we stop the lame agenda posting ?

 

[AmitDS]

Because one (Elfman) is more useful than the other (Mira). Literally took out a dragon by himself with no team setup. He had two Dragon Gods under his thumb simultaneously, even for a moment; one controlled as literally the Dragon itself, and one ended up killed in that very moment.

So he's more useful than Laxus too right?

Mira gave him the idea, mira protected him to pull it off, Mira taught him about takeover becoming one and he could barely hold on as is. Elfman is still below Mira and Laxus and it's hilarious that you've actually shown your true colours so easily. You actually think Elfman can surpass Mirajane. Heads up that means Elfman would have to surpass Erza and Laxus too.

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On a side note, this also opens up the possibility of Mirajane using Tempester's disaster curse to use lightning and pull off a lightning unison raid with Laxus or even power up Laxus with more lightning to make a stronger red lightning (maybe black lightning). Mira provding Laxus with massive amount of lightning to eat would be cool to see at some point.

 

[kian]

Because one (Elfman) is more useful than the other (Mira). Literally took out a dragon by himself with no team setup. He had two Dragon Gods under his thumb simultaneously, even for a moment; one controlled as literally the Dragon itself, and one ended up killed in that very moment.

Elfman got a nice scene to shine but maybe not let it get to your head. He’s not gonna go jumping inside Natsu anytime soon lmao

Mirajane basically puppeteered Elfman’s entire role in that fight so he was definitely not the more useful counter part, not to mention her and Laxus are the reason he’s still breathing. Plus she’d still dog walk him just as easy as she did in Tenrou lol

 

[Elfman]

Probaly but i like my evil elfseria plotline.I know that this "the guy act very questionable the entire time" is 99,9% based on "Hiro just writes stuff on the fly".And not a setup for the endgame.

But something has to happen when all 5 DGs are killed/sealed.The symbol on the wall didnt reacted and got a crack on it for no reasons after 1 of them lost.Unless that was also just a "that might look cool" moment.Which...yeah,i doubt Hiro remembers that thing anymore

I mean,100YQ has barely a plot at all.


Ah yeah,Laxus/Mira tanking their atttacks while Elfman stays behind them is no team setup.

Elfman w/ no team set up = dead from Scissors Roar. Luckily he had two tanks there to cover for him. He also would have died from fall damage were it not for Sorano. Can we stop the lame agenda posting ?

I'll give you guys a second to reread the previous chapter and current chapter, Elfman is Infront. There is one panel he's behind which is an error. But rest show he's Infront of them. Take a look if you don't believe me.

I mean the whole premise of last chapters ending was Elfman working up the courage and bravery, saying his not a man if he doesn't protect his sister (I'm paraphrasing). Then he stands in front of them both. That was the entire messaging.

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Why does it matter who stood Infront of who?

Scissor's attack is literally sound based. You can even see it delays and hits later.

Everybody got hit the same way. But yes, Elfman was Infront last chapter and this chapter.

1. Elfman is more useful then Laxus and Mira combined for this situation. They were literally struggling, and didn't even scratch them. It took Elfman to takeover one and kill the other, which left Levia shook, he even said "what did you do to my body"...Hoteye then trapped, and Mira and Laxus POSSIBLY defeated Levia because of Elfman's efforts.
2. Elfman has been consistently either next to or above Mira. He defeated Seliah in Tartarus for Mira. Seen fighting together with Mira against Skullion and Madmole, who they themselves are seen as equals/partners. And defeated Ajeel with Lisana (and we know she doesn't pack any Firepower but flight, so it was more Elfman). Defeated a book of Demon who wasn't seen any better or lesser than Mira's opponent, and did it with a new powerup; Aldoron's arm. Then we have Elfman LITERALLY killing a Dragon solo while taking another over.

I like how everyone is trying to deflate Elfman's achievements, but I'm not Hiro. Sorry, but he made Mira look lesser then Elfman multiple times. She ain't on his level.

 

[AmitDS]

I'll give you guys a second to reread the previous chapter and current chapter, Elfman is Infront. There is one panel he's behind which is an error. But rest show he's Infront of them. Take a look if you don't believe me.

I mean the whole premise of last chapters ending was Elfman working up the courage and bravery, saying his not a man if he doesn't protect his sister (I'm paraphrasing). Then he stands in front of them both. That was the entire messaging.

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Why does it matter who stood Infront of who?

Scissor's attack is literally sound based. You can even see it delays and hits later.

Everybody got hit the same way. But yes, Elfman was Infront last chapter and this chapter.

1. Elfman is more useful then Laxus and Mira combined for this situation. They were literally struggling, and didn't even scratch them. It took Elfman to takeover one and kill the other, which left Levia shook, he even said "what did you do to my body"...Hoteye then trapped, and Mira and Laxus POSSIBLY defeated Levia because of Elfman's efforts.
2. Elfman has been consistently either next to or above Mira. He defeated Seliah in Tartarus for Mira. Seen fighting together with Mira against Skullion and Madmole, who they themselves are seen as equals/partners. And defeated Ajeel with Lisana (and we know she doesn't pack any Firepower but flight, so it was more Elfman). Defeated a book of Demon who wasn't seen any better or lesser than Mira's opponent, and did it with a new powerup; Aldoron's arm. Then we have Elfman LITERALLY killing a Dragon solo while taking another over.

I like how everyone is trying to deflate Elfman's achievements, but I'm not Hiro. Sorry, but he made Mira look lesser then Elfman multiple times. She ain't on his level.

LMAO!

Mira is the one who macro-ed him to hit Seilah. Seilah had him nearly killing Lisanna before, remember?

He was helped by Lisanna period. Erza couldn't beat Ajeel on her own but somehow Elfman getting help is a feat?

Skullion > Madmole since Mira fought Skullion and Elfman fought Madmole.

Elfman has never been above Mirajane and never will. Having an ability that allowed him to control a dragon for a few seconds, thanks to Mira BTW, doesn't make him comparable to either Laxus or Mira. They protected him. It's sound based but it's a blast. So Mira and Laxus stood in front of him for fun? Why did he himself talk about being protected?

The fact that Alegria Mira DID not need a new power up to beat Daemon while Elfman needed to take over a dragon god to do the same to Gaia is a feat for Mira not Elfman.

Btw Mira can control Elfman herself with Macro so...

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Elfman got a nice scene to shine but maybe not let it get to your head. He’s not gonna go jumping inside Natsu anytime soon lmao

Mirajane basically puppeteered Elfman’s entire role in that fight so he was definitely not the more useful counter part, not to mention her and Laxus are the reason he’s still breathing. Plus she’d still dog walk him just as easy as she did in Tenrou lol

She could remote control him again LMAO

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Btw this is hilarious.

Spoiler

I see it.

 

[Steven]

I'll give you guys a second to reread the previous chapter and current chapter, Elfman is Infront. There is one panel he's behind which is an error. But rest show he's Infront of them. Take a look if you don't believe me.

I mean the whole premise of last chapters ending was Elfman working up the courage and bravery, saying his not a man if he doesn't protect his sister (I'm paraphrasing). Then he stands in front of them both. That was the entire messaging.
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Why does it matter who stood Infront of who?

Scissor's attack is literally sound based. You can even see it delays and hits later.

Everybody got hit the same way. But yes, Elfman was Infront last chapter and this chapter.

1. Elfman is more useful then Laxus and Mira combined for this situation. They were literally struggling, and didn't even scratch them. It took Elfman to takeover one and kill the other, which left Levia shook, he even said "what did you do to my body"...Hoteye then trapped, and Mira and Laxus POSSIBLY defeated Levia because of Elfman's efforts.
2. Elfman has been consistently either next to or above Mira. He defeated Seliah in Tartarus for Mira. Seen fighting together with Mira against Skullion and Madmole, who they themselves are seen as equals/partners. And defeated Ajeel with Lisana (and we know she doesn't pack any Firepower but flight, so it was more Elfman). Defeated a book of Demon who wasn't seen any better or lesser than Mira's opponent, and did it with a new powerup; Aldoron's arm. Then we have Elfman LITERALLY killing a Dragon solo while taking another over.

I like how everyone is trying to deflate Elfman's achievements, but I'm not Hiro. Sorry, but he made Mira look lesser then Elfman multiple times. She ain't on his level.

All of that and he is just a macro victim for Mira

 

[AmitDS]

Also why are people surprised she has thorn curse/absorbed Mard Geer?

She literally said she devoured all the souls AND her headpiece is made of thorns. Where did she get it from, I wonder? LOL

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Her claws are also like Kyoka's which is another reason why she likely has sensation curse too.

Spoiler

 

[Shiki_Dragneel]

Also why are people surprised she has thorn curse/absorbed Mard Geer?

Probably because in the last 15 years she never used his curse or that of any other main member of Tartaros beside of Seilahs power? (And that not even in her Alegria form but only in her Seilah form).
Plus because Mard Geer was killed by Zeref, he returned him into a book again and burned this book. How would it make sense that his soul would be still there so that Mira can absorb his power too?
Imo Mashima never planned this, if it were the case he would use Mard Geers power during the battles in the Alvarez War or against Daemon or maybe even against Skullion. Or the powers of the other members of the Nine Demon Gates. It makes no sense not to use them in important battles especially curses with hax powers like Franmalths or Kyokas or Keyse curse.

It came out of nowhere in the current chapter imo.

 

[AmitDS]

Probably because in the last 15 years she never used his curse or that of any other main member of Tartaros beside of Seilahs power? (And that not even in her Alegria form but only in her Seilah form).
Plus because Mard Geer was killed by Zeref, he returned him into a book again and burned this book. How would it make sense that his soul would be still there so that Mira can absorb his power too?
Imo Mashima never planned this, if it were the case he would use Mard Geers power during the battles in the Alvarez War or against Daemon or maybe even against Skullion. Or the powers of the other members of the Nine Demon Gates. It makes no sense not to use them in important battles especially curses with hax powers like Franmalths or Kyokas or Keyse curse.

It came out of nowhere in the current chapter imo.

The fact that she has literal thorns on her head alone is enough to not make it a surprise she can use thorn curse

 

[Steven]

The fact that she has literal thorns on her head alone is enough to not make it a surprise she can use thorn curse

She never interacted with Mard or Bloodman.But somehow she can use their curses.It makes 0 sense at all