Discussion Most of the Straw Hats are now irrelevant, except as tools.

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So since Sanji has become part of the Conqueror's Trio (with the Conqueror's Quartet to come), I can only presume that the rest of the Straw Hats have now become irrelevant. Irrelevant in terms of their fighting capability, since Conqueror's is the only thing that will hurt Imu, his monster minions, and other extremely strong foes at this point. And that we can only expect that Chopper and the rest will only be needed when it comes to patching people up at the end of arcs, reading poneglyphs for him, fixing up his ship, in other words, Luffy's tools.

How are you guys feeling about this very unfortunate outcome?
 

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You mean, they are continuing to perform the roles they have had on the ship since they joined? The roles Luffy more or less picked them for? What exactly is unfortunate about Sanji getting Conqueror's? He and Zoro are Luffy's main fighters, of course they should be the ones that take on the toughest enemies.
 

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I never expected the entire crew to have conquerors haki BUT at least some sort of haki should be given to everyone.
 

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I think there will be meaningful moments and fights for everyone without CoC. The ones with CoC are also tools because they are the only ones who can deal with GKs, Gorosei, and Imu. Chop may be a healer but they're not unimportant especially if he can slap away domi reversed people. It may not be as exciting than seeing Jinbe fishman chop mofos but all of them has a role to play. I think they all will have their moments still. For example, we see a shitton of land battles. We are bound to get some crazy Jinbe boat feats in the coming future.

People are overly worried about the end. There are a shitload of characters but look, Kidd and Law already got their screen time and so has Crocodile. We don't need a lot. Snippets is fine. It's what we have been getting, and it is the formula Oda uses. We might see Kid in a panel of skirmish then the King dude unleashes a King's Punch... then a bit later, Kidd pops back in in a larger spotlight panel to showcase his finisher. Then Law's. And so on. The SHPs though? We're going to see some personal fights like what is going on right now with Zoro and Sanji. I really don't think Oda will sideline our OGs and do them dirty even if there are so many other characters to deal with.
 
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So since Sanji has become part of the Conqueror's Trio (with the Conqueror's Quartet to come), I can only presume that the rest of the Straw Hats have now become irrelevant. Irrelevant in terms of their fighting capability, since Conqueror's is the only thing that will hurt Imu, his monster minions, and other extremely strong foes at this point. And that we can only expect that Chopper and the rest will only be needed when it comes to patching people up at the end of arcs, reading poneglyphs for him, fixing up his ship, in other words, Luffy's tools.

How are you guys feeling about this very unfortunate outcome?
I couldn't disagree more. CoC has very little to do with anything a pirate needs, except a fight. I dont see even the mid tier strawhats like Robin, Jimbei, or Franky getting CoC ever.

Sanji was always in-line for CoC, from the very minute Zoro was teased to have one. The rest will get stronger, just not be CoC users.
 

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That's like saying people in roger's crew who aren't roger, gaban and rayleigh were irrelevant. The lesser strawhats do need to up their game a decent bit but their role in the crew isn't to fight yonko but rather to engage with other executive types. And to be fair both robin and franky have evidenced being in the executive ballpark. With franky getting a boost recently thanks to vegapunk.

Overall things got back to the part one status quo, the monster trio runs the show but the lesser strawhats have to win fights to.

It's also worth noting that conqueror haki is needed to kill god knights or gorosei but killing isn't the only option. Prior to imu getting involved we saw sommers and killingham getting restrained by the crew so going forward the gang will have options.
 

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He and Zoro are Luffy's main fighters, of course they should be the ones that take on the toughest enemies.
You agree with the others becoming less relevant then, due to not being the “main”.
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BUT at least some sort of haki should be given to everyone.
Yep, such a thing would make the others less irrelevant.
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We're going to see some personal fights like what is going on right now with Zoro and Sanji.
That’s interesting since Oda is only focusing on Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji fighting, which only points to one conclusion: irrelevancy.
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CoC has very little to do with anything a pirate needs
That’s funny since it’s exactly the thing Oda is giving big focus to right now!
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That's like saying people in roger's crew who aren't roger, gaban and rayleigh were irrelevant.
Well you tell me, how many of the other crewmates has Oda hyped up
 

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I think Oda will, like many others before him, go back to his "roots" and give the other strawhats their rightfully owed "presence" in the story. This does not mean actual panel/screentime. A character's importance is not just drawn from one or two traits. CoC is only one of them. Right now the story centers on CoC. Early on it was random DF powers. It is the way a story, and specifically this story, One Piece, is progressing. We are in the CoC has this this and this use era so the spotlight will be on CoC users.

But when all the poneglyphs are present will Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji be insignificant because there are exactly 1 person who is able to read poneglyphs. 3 hypotheticals in Imu, Momo, and Pudding. This means only Robin will be the spotlight. Again, does that take away from Luffy's CoC? I think not.

When the ship is sailing in the middle of the ocean with 0 land around for hundreds of miles and (or km for the rest of you guys) but the uncertainty of the new world causes the mother of all typhoons to hit, how useful will CoC be then? No the main characters become Nami, Jinbe and maybe Franky.

This stuff was actually established very early on and is still true to this day. This guy said it best here:
You mean, they are continuing to perform the roles they have had on the ship since they joined? The roles Luffy more or less picked them for? What exactly is unfortunate about Sanji getting Conqueror's? He and Zoro are Luffy's main fighters, of course they should be the ones that take on the toughest enemies.
It is so true that every crew has the same basic formula of members with these basic skillsets. They may be nobodies on other people's crew but the story centers on Luffy and his band of Strawhat pirates. That said, even if they are nobodies to us, they are still pivotal to their own respective crews. Otherwise, they'd just die and another one bites the dust in Paradise or the New World. So if this is the SHPs, then Oda is NOT going to forget. Oda will NOT abandon the core strawhats. They may seem less productive this arc, maybe the previous too but their time is coming. The other issue I see is the amount of antagonizers right? How do you expect them to shine if the fight is Usopp, Franky, Nami vs 1 GK? We want 1v1s not 3v1s or even 2v1s (unless its vs the big bad like Imu). Did we all forget how Jinbe threw that water? It was quick but imagine if bro wasn't there. Maybe we need a whole 3 chapters of Jinbe water tossing to really drive home the importance but Oda decided to do that with the portrayal of how OP Imu is instead.

There is just not enough antagonizers sometimes to go around and a few SHP are going to be twiddling their thumbs but let me tell all yalls this. There is one Strawhat who is almost never twiddling their thumbs regardless if there are boss battles or not and that is Chop. Bro is MC all over the place stealing all the cute vibes and shit. Chop is always healing, regardless of battlefields or not but I guess the supporting healer is just not so important to everyone. Sanji would long be dead without Chop and so would much of the surviving raid members from Wano. Aint nobody can tell me Chop is sidelined, I can come up with an essay of shit here for just Chop. Do I need to remind everyone how we're going to start seeing a bunch more hybrid forms once Chop decides to start up his underworld pill biz? Bro got that shit on tap like Shamrock Tuesdays got beer.
 
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Aint nobody can tell me Chop is sidelined, I can come up with an essay of shit here for just Chop. Do I need to remind everyone how we're going to start seeing a bunch more hybrid forms once Chop decides to start up his underworld pill biz? Bro got that shit on tap like Shamrock Tuesdays got beer.
Sure, but that’s not what Oda is focusing on is he, he’s focusing on the three stooge pirates getting their Conqueror’s Steroids while the little raccoon deer stumbles around until the dust settles and acts as a living medical kit for a few panels before cutting away and the arc ends.
 

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Well you tell me, how many of the other crewmates has Oda hyped up
Obviously the roger pirates top 3 gets most of the spotlight but.... do you genuinely believe they weren't all powerful? This is a crew that fought off shikis entire armada from a single ship. They went toe to toe with WBs pirates. No one who has read this manga can possibly believe they were in any meaningful manner weak. And for that matter, it'll make as little sense as the boosts the monster trio has gotten but the rest of the Strawhats will ultimately pull their weight as executives to a yonko.
 

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More like Top 4, because of Oden, but that’s about it.
Oden was there when the roger pirates completed their journey over the grand line but otherwise he was just a footnote in their history. The roger pirates were a dominant force in the grand line for nearly 2 decades, oden was with them for one year. There's still no way the remaining executives weren't strong enough to carry their weight in the crew.
 

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You agree with the others becoming less relevant then, due to not being the “main”.
Zoro and Sanji have always done this, as in being the main fighters besides Luffy, I don't understand why you see this as something soo new, but ok. Everyone has their place on the crew, just because nami isn't fighting 24/7 doesn't mean she doesn't have one of the most important roles on the crew.
 

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Oden was there when the roger pirates completed their journey over the grand line but otherwise he was just a footnote in their history. The roger pirates were a dominant force in the grand line for nearly 2 decades, oden was with them for one year. There's still no way the remaining executives weren't strong enough to carry their weight in the crew.
Oden is the reason they found Laughtale and completed their journey that's worth more than a footnote 🤨.
 

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I will not overreact when we're not even close to the end. In any case, the others aren't known for their combat skills, they're known for other stuff.
 
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