While backreading, my main suspects were Sam and Pom, and I think reading this last page, where they agree with Lawls insubstantial post about why to vote me. I was even lucky to be able to post somewhat in that last hour, which is painted by Sam (and Lawl, now) as an expedient attempt to stall for time and get through the day. If I were as smart as they paint me out to be, surely I'd have tried to mix in a little rather than so obviously draw their ire.
I'm still a bit surprised you of all people suspect me at this stage. Definitely haven't been the high energy mass-post Sam of previous games due to some outside factors but that's just one thing.
Like I said last night, I take issue with how you're framing things here. I had said back in day 1 once you got rolling that your questioning felt deliberately disingenuine and slow. You asked questions to look like you were trying to catch up but the rate at which you were processing things including direct responses to questions was diabolically slow. You're far sharper than that as you're starting to prove today with your work to start building a case on me, but day 1 especially is where your behaviour through dragging your feet drew my ire. Lawl seems to see it the same way and I know he knows you even better than I do, even more so mafia game-wise, so I do think I'm onto something here.
My countervote on Lawl at the end was largely self-preservation. I had to save myself in the moment, but I was also sure Lawl would continue to vote for me throughout the rest of the game (as he has now done again) so between him, who claimed a "tricky" role and Nashy who I had no real reason to distrust or worry about, I chose to kill him. I want to note that during that last hour, I was also conversing, so I wasn't all there on thread. That aside, Sam painting disengaged behaviour as scum behaviour, I think, is largely bad-faith reasoning. Essentially, I think he recognises I was busy and considered me a sitting duck to shoot at unpunished.
No one has argued that your vote wasn't self-preservation from what I recall, but what we have called out is how you chose to vote in order to save yourself. Again, like I said last night, you had the choice of Natasha present too. I had also said to everyone "Hey I'm vanilla townie, just lynch me instead if we're unsure of where to go", and I said that because I thought Lawl could be a very important player if he was town.
Honestly what draws my ire here is "I was also sure Lawl would continue to vote for me throughout the rest of the game"; so there was more to your vote than just saving yourself? For some reason you figured Lawl would come to suspect you and stay on you regardless of what would happen? That seems like a pretty odd thing to be paranoid about if you're town because you could convince him through your play that you're town. I wouldn't say that he hasn't stuck on someone he suspected previously, but I also just find it odd for you to be so concerned about a small possibility like that if town.
Again, its not the disengagement that I said was scum-like, but the way in which you dragged your feet when you were here. It was like you were trying to do something without really trying to do something; thats what I recall thinking at the time.
His reasoning for voting Nashy over me based on gut-feeling, while being sure about Lawl, split the vote and made it so someone would have to vote either me or Lawl, both townies in this case, out of the game. If Sam is mafia, surely this is beneficial for him; for today, he's been able to claim his hands are bloodless and cast stones at me. I think if he was acting in good faith, he'd recognise that I was, in fact, voting to preserve myself, and I gave a reason as to why Lawl claiming a "tricky to use" role was a non-descript falsehood that could essentially describe anything. I argued there very likely weren't "tricky" roles in this game. I was right btw; Lawl claimed active, and it turns out he was a passive Restless Spirit - hardly tricky. Die and vote.
Jeez you're able to ignore some key context there aren't ya? The lawl lynch didn't make sense to me yes, and I felt fairly sure of him being town due to the nature of how the votes on him first started coming in. Bashing him over the use of "tricky" as a descriptor was silly in my opinion as there's a lot of reasons he might say that contextually for whatever he had (Restless Spirit), and trying to get the most out of the role that would also be correct. For Lawl to get votes from Vali and others over a word, when he was active, and with nothing else that flagged any possibility of him being a problem felt very odd to me so yes I felt pretty sure on my read of Lawl.
Nash on the other hand was like you in a way. Early game it was just bone/skeleton jokes which I'd say was just her pissing around and doing nothing. So in that sense you two were similar in my eyes. Some of her reads, including her sus list which had Lawl dead last, was very perplexing and odd, and I struggled to find much that was agreeable in her logic. Could she have been town? Yes. But I had my doubts and I remember feeling a visceral sense of doubt which had me put her over you which I regret as it probably cost Lawl his life in-game because it meant you could throw him under the bus a lot easier. I also think Lawl's explanation of tricky post-death was adequate, so framing it as just "die and vote" is a bit shit because in that position you obviously want to be right and make sure you're nailing that vote. Yes its not a shot which he'd probably have preferred tbh, but it can still have consequences for town because a misplaced RS vote could lead to other townies mislynching if they follow him.
Sam didn't acknowledge that; rather, he says
here it's tricky for Lawl to use, but then he says
here vanilla is just lock-in. Surely there's nothing special about Lawl in particular piloting this role? Then in Lawl's death post, he explicitly calls Kako super shady, but vote me anyway, something conveniently ignored by Sam (and also Lawl himself, I guess). In other words, him portraying my low activity on D1 and reasoned voting as sus, and then now blindly agreeing with Lawl's vote on me, all make it so it feels like he is fishing to have me lynched.
No, I do think RS is trickier than vanilla townie because that post-death vote is more important due to how it can potentially lead town to vote a certain way; you want your read to be right in that case.
Lawl having more than one suspect is a problem? Yes he found Kako shady but he had issues with you too based on your play which is why myself and others also distrust you. I commented earlier that Kako's back and forth with I think Pom looked a bit like an irrational townie to be because I didn't see why a mafia would be acting like that at all; he could be maf but he was certainly putting himself out there a bit.
You're also framing this as me following Lawl, but I'd long been speaking about my distrust of you for similar reasons before Lawl came along with his RS vote. Shit, Marm agreed with me too so I know its more than just Lawl and me that have doubts about you.
I didn't distrust you or Nashy. Still don't distrust her, you claimed she had some stench on her yesterday but those remained vibes only presumably? Given how faulty your gut is (physically, even) generally and me now specifically, I don't consider this an argument on it's own. Also Tatsu had I think just one vote? I didn't think voting her would save me.
Lawl voting me unreasoned, by the way, is also not a valid reason in itself. You and Pom blindly following a biased player who himself provides no more substance, reasoning or evidence is not a valid reasoning.
What about Vali?
"Given how faulty your gut is (physically, even)"
Woah, thats uncalled for cunt given the medical history.
Again, I'd said D1 that if worst came to worst Town could and should lynch me rather than risk losing a strong town player in Lawl who is pretty sharp with his deductions, especially in the context of him claiming an active role.
And bullshit I followed Pom, I followed my own fucken line of thought.
