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[Hardy]

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Kako was messy at points but surely that wasn't reason enough to lock him over Panda? To me he'd looked like a townie due to how irrational the posts were because surely a mafia wouldn't be that off-kilter?

I had little to no issues with Panda's posting until he brought up killing Pom for more information, whereas Kakoha was odd the entire game.

 

[SirSamuel016]

Why did I go away from two people who have been reading green to me oh idk man why not lock my vote on Panda and force him to lynch Kako to save himself and then blame others immediately again

I yearn to be a more lax guy for a game but I'm forced to lock in and carry again

To be fair if you locked on Pan Kako doesn't die as Pan would've had more locked votes hence my question. Between the bad reads and then the votes it ain't looking good for Nash FC if you're town So please lock in and cook today

 

[Hardy]

If we mislynch today, it's over I AM town AND I was convinced Pomcha was lying BUT I'm not mafia

Doing the math even if Pom saved me it looks bad

Let's say mafia started with 3
Day 1: 8 Town 3 Mafia
N1: 7 Town 3 Mafia
D2: 7 Town 3 Mafia
N2: 6 Town 3 Mafia
D3 (today): 5 Town 3 Mafia.
N3 (lynched town): 4 Town 3 Mafia.
D4 (game over): 3 Town 3 Mafia

If they started with 2 and recruited someone N1 then the math is the same.

So save or not another cycle was not gained and the game is pretty much lost with another mislynch.

 

[SirSamuel016]

Anyway today is do or die so its time to get cooking cunts

@Marmalade @Vali x lucifer @Tatsumaki @Natasha you're the ones who directly hinted/claimed active roles so its time to produce something for us all to consider

 

[Degojaru]

Looking at votes real quick...

Day 1:
- Nash saves herself from a vote tie with Copan to lynch Lawl; originally on Pom
- Copan and Vali remained on Lawl to lynch him
- Myself and tatsu voted Nash
- Marm and Lawl voted Copan
- Hardy on Val
- Kako on Hardy
- Pom votes Kako
- Dego voted me

Day 2:
- Hardy on Kako the entire time vote-wise (dumb town)
- Tatsu voted Kako
- Dego locked Kako after previously being on panda
- Marm voted last minute to save Copan
- Copan witholds his vote until the last minute to vote Kako
- Kako went from pom onto Copan
- I voted and later locked on Copan
- Nash avoids Kako vs Pan altogether by voting Vali
- Vali avoids Kako vs Pan altogether by voting Nash

Pls include yourself in that lists

 

[Vali x lucifer]

I am quite tired of making the wrong choice in decisive moments, but i really don't think I can be wrong by saying that between Panda and Natasha, at least 1 must be Mafia.

I also want to go on Hardy but he obviously had to have the freaking doc claim clearing his ass. Now I can't do shit about him because if I press him further and someone capable of debunking the Doc narrative comes out, Mafia gets a massive advantage. But his attacks on me an Kako tell me he looks almost as red as the other two.

I also can't totally clear Sam but I can't risk to contribute in spreading the votes too much at this stage.

I definitely regret throwing my only semi concrete lead, since Panda was a lynch option yesterday, if I lose this, I know where I fucked up at least.

 

[SirSamuel016]

I had little to no issues with Panda's posting until he brought up killing Pom for more information, whereas Kakoha was odd the entire game.

If you hadn't of locked on Kako would you have gone Pan instead for that?

--- Double Post Merged, Friday at 2:14 PM, Original Post Date: Friday at 2:14 PM ---

Pls include yourself in that lists

I did, go to specsavers

 

[Hardy]

Looking at votes real quick...

Day 1:
- Nash saves herself from a vote tie with Copan to lynch Lawl; originally on Pom
- Copan and Vali remained on Lawl to lynch him
- Myself and tatsu voted Nash
- Marm and Lawl voted Copan
- Hardy on Val
- Kako on Hardy
- Pom votes Kako
- Dego voted me

Day 2:
- Hardy on Kako the entire time vote-wise (dumb town)
- Tatsu voted Kako
- Dego locked Kako after previously being on panda
- Marm voted last minute to save Copan
- Copan witholds his vote until the last minute to vote Kako
- Kako went from pom onto Copan
- I voted and later locked on Copan
- Nash avoids Kako vs Pan altogether by voting Vali
- Vali avoids Kako vs Pan altogether by voting Nash


Not sure how much info I can properly gleam from this but I think the votes are a red flag for Nash. Town lynch day 1 onto avoiding the situation, maybe avoiding heat d2 with that vote? Lost us our det which is the real kicker, but fwiw this isn't a definitive for her either way.

I'm in two minds about Marm because of the last second vote.

Copan isn't helping himself with the last second votes that are just ending up being self-saving maneuvers which does read a bit mafia-ish with the continual leaving it to the last minute. Was more active day 2 but still didn't stand on business with even an initial vote until right at the end so regardless of alignment he needs to stand for something and not just be talk. Could be town but I'm not seeing it.

Vali being on Lawl d1 and then avoiding the contest day 2 is a bit concerning. I want to hear more reasoning from him because some of his logic, especially day 1 on Lawl, was flimsy at best. D2 on Natasha I understand the distrust there but avoiding Pan/Kako altogether is still a choice, especially in the context of how high stakes it was.

Tatsu went from list posting early day 1 to... being unremarkable. Saw Pan, Kako and Pom as reds when she voted for Kako... 0/3 on scum reads as town or maf just shading townies as part of an agenda?

Dego I'm leaning towards distrust. Nothing noteworthy in the play that makes me think "this guy feels trustworthy", and voting for towns d1 and d2 doesn't help his case.

I'd give a like to this if not for (dumb town)

 

[SirSamuel016]

Day 1:
- Nash saves herself from a vote tie with Copan to lynch Lawl; originally on Pom
- Copan and Vali remained on Lawl to lynch him
- Myself and tatsu voted Nash
- Marm and Lawl voted Copan
- Hardy on Val
- Kako on Hardy
- Pom votes Kako
- Dego voted me

Day 2:
- Hardy on Kako the entire time vote-wise (dumb town)
- Tatsu voted Kako
- Dego locked Kako after previously being on panda
- Marm voted last minute to save Copan
- Copan witholds his vote until the last minute to vote Kako
- Kako went from pom onto Copan
- I voted and later locked on Copan
- Nash avoids Kako vs Pan altogether by voting Vali
- Vali avoids Kako vs Pan altogether by voting Nash

bolded because you're cooked @Degojaru

 

[Degojaru]

Dego I'm leaning towards distrust. Nothing noteworthy in the play that makes me think "this guy feels trustworthy", and voting for towns d1 and d2 doesn't help his case.

Following this logic everybody can be lynched in each game

 

[Hardy]

If you hadn't of locked on Kako would you have gone Pan instead for that?

--- Double Post Merged, Friday at 2:14 PM, Original Post Date: Friday at 2:14 PM ---

I did, go to specsavers

Maybe idk. I was really ok with Panda until that one post...

 

[SirSamuel016]

I'd give a like to this if not for (dumb town)

Idk bruv If I put your d2 vote in a pigeon it'd start barking

 

[Degojaru]

I did, go to specsavers

Oh I was searching "Sam" not "myself" or "I"

 

[SirSamuel016]

Following this logic everybody can be lynched in each game

Fuck up enough and yes people should be scrutinised

 

[Degojaru]

But yeah I agree we need info from those active claimers

 

[SirSamuel016]

Maybe idk. I was really ok with Panda until that one post...

Queue the Russell Westbrook "What?"

Fine with the sussy bloke until he said lets kill the doc for info like that wasn't the icing on top of his cake

--- Double Post Merged, Friday at 2:20 PM, Original Post Date: Friday at 2:19 PM ---

Putting busting your balls to the side though, who do you suspect atm Hardy, no Jaden?

 

[Hardy]

Queue the Russell Westbrook "What?"

Fine with the sussy bloke until he said lets kill the doc for info like that wasn't the icing on top of his cake

--- Double Post Merged, Friday at 2:20 PM, Original Post Date: Friday at 2:19 PM ---

Putting busting your balls to the side though, who do you suspect atm Hardy, no Jaden?

Yeah the posts seemed genuine. What was your biggest issue with him? He was disengaged for some hours then said he was just busy and was never like that again.

That one Panda's post was horrible and has only voted townies, true. But that's another story.

After voting Lawl D1 both Vali and Nash voted each other yesterday while 2 guys ended with 4+ votes each that's meme like.

Dego and Tatsu have been coasting a lot. The latter seemed very locked in during the first hours but Panda called it out and her approach changed (corrected?) back to the norm.

You and Marm seem fine and have been playing as usual me thinks... So to clear my mind the 3 have to be amongst the 5 I mentioned before and maybe I need to think what teams make sense...

--- Double Post Merged, Friday at 2:33 PM ---

Eg does Panda-Tatsu-Vali makes sense vote wise? Vali-Nash-Dego? i dunno...

--- Double Post Merged, Friday at 2:35 PM ---

Sam how do you read Vali and Nash being together? Would Mafia Nash vote like yday?

 

[SirSamuel016]

Yeah the posts seemed genuine. What was your biggest issue with him? He was disengaged for some hours then said he was just busy and was never like that again.

My suspicion originally stems from his D1. You point to him being disengaged which is one thing when he's busy, but I didn't find his questioning to be genuine late in the day. To me, it felt like he was dragging his feet and avoiding talk about the then when we had little to no time left. Catching up is one thing but there comes a point late in the phase that you have to just try and piece it together on the fly while responding to what is actively happening. In that sense, I felt he lacked urgency.

A lot of his D2 happened while I was asleep but he spent part of that shading me a bit which is fine but I want to re-read through it to see if it comes across any differently without me being reactionary. In general, his D2 was a bit of course correction but still had a bit of mafia pan vibes. Where his more solid day then got really weird was his suggesting to lynch the doc "for info". At that point he's just begging for a mislynch in a worst-case scenario where he's mafia

I'm not gonna rush to say he's certain scum because we've got to lynch correctly today and there's a chance I'm wrong on thinking he's scum. Instinct tells me I'm not though.

Gotta read through what he said to me earlier too

 

[Natasha]

I yearn to be a more lax guy for a game but I'm forced to lock in and carry again

To be fair if you locked on Pan Kako doesn't die as Pan would've had more locked votes hence my question. Between the bad reads and then the votes it ain't looking good for Nash FC if you're town So please lock in and cook today

If we accept Pom heal Hardy as N1 explanation and greenlight the bum then my worldview with you + hardy + 1(pom,vali,dego,tatsu?) falls to bits

Removing hardy from the solves leaves me struggling to build a mafteam with you still in it aswell. Perhaps Vali since you seems to cut him slack for the same things you rattle me for and then one of tatsu/dego. No way are you and panda are teamed after yesterday unless its you/pan/vali but that's tin skullling.

If I trust you and follow your gut onto panda that leaves us with pan + marm + dego/tatsu given they all saved pan yersternight and it was damn close with marms reasoning sounding the most out of place if it was to save a teammate.

Tatsu/Dego come up in both worlds there which is an immediate red flag for me because the same thing happened last game and I'm solving with some kinda fundamental bias here if they always end up in the list.

 

[Vali x lucifer]

Yeah the posts seemed genuine. What was your biggest issue with him? He was disengaged for some hours then said he was just busy and was never like that again.

That one Panda's post was horrible and has only voted townies, true. But that's another story.

After voting Lawl D1 both Vali and Nash voted each other yesterday while 2 guys ended with 4+ votes each that's meme like.

Dego and Tatsu have been coasting a lot. The latter seemed very locked in during the first hours but Panda called it out and her approach changed (corrected?) back to the norm.

You and Marm seem fine and have been playing as usual me thinks... So to clear my mind the 3 have to be amongst the 5 I mentioned before and maybe I need to think what teams make sense...

--- Double Post Merged, Friday at 2:33 PM ---

Eg does Panda-Tatsu-Vali makes sense vote wise? Vali-Nash-Dego? i dunno...

--- Double Post Merged, Friday at 2:35 PM ---

Sam how do you read Vali and Nash being together? Would Mafia Nash vote like yday?

You know what, i should have just rage voted you yesterday, that was my second mistake.

If you want me to start a wagon on your Mafia Bum or Nash's be my guest, I think I can't go really wrong there, you especially refused to work with me on literally anything, except posting that list that was probably done to pull me away from Sam if I am right about you.