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I believe this, and i will full claim before the last hour to let people discuss.
Is there a reason you haven't full claimed yet? We only have 6 hours left and some people mightn't be around close to the end of the phase so the sooner the better so we can digest that information and work towards lynching one of the mafia.

I can anticipate that i am not able to frame Hardy specifically because my night action on him produced no results in Day 2, hence my frustration, but yours makes it believable that Hardy isn't a confirmed Townie at least.
No result? If you're hinting at what I think thats hinting at role-wise, then Hardy being vanilla wouldn't have gotten you anything. Who was your other target? I will also say, if you're that then it casts doubt on Dego also being an investigative (he claims 2nd det)

Still i will have to think about who to focus for my lynch vote, probably Sam or Dego.
This is do or die, we all need to be working together to figure this out and lynch correctly or the game is lost. I don't think we can afford mulling it over individually and throwing darts at the board to see where it lands
 

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What have you done with your role?
Iunno why she didn't explain further
What is there to explain further. I marked someone yes, I'll stay silent on who.

Marm/Dego/Vali
or
Copan/Dego/Vali

If we believe tatsu its one of those two?
Why is there no world for you where Marm and Pan are together ?
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About the Dego det claim I'm on the fence. 2 dets in such a small comp sounds a bit much. But would a mafia claiming det mess up their targets announcement ?
 

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Why is there no world for you where Marm and Pan are together ?
Day 1's votes. Copan was very nearly lynched (in a tie with Nash after my lock on Nash, to which Pan then voted Lawl and Nash locked Lawl). As we see, Marm was voting to lynch him, and I don't think that'd happen if they were mafia together; one can be maf but not the other. Both can also be town.

11/11 votes
3x Lawl Po Bia
(Kakoha #66, Vali x lucifer #68, Lady pompom #76, Copy Panda #170, Natasha #185)
2x Natasha
(Tatsumaki #32, SirSamuel016 #169)
2x Copy Panda
(Marmalade #111, Lawl Po Bia #119)
1x Hardy
(Kakoha #178)
1x SirSamuel016 (Degojaru #12, Lawl Po Bia #23)
1x Lady pompom
(Natasha #73)
1x Vali x lucifer
(Hardy #94)
1x Kakoha
(Lady pompom #106)
0x Tatsumaki
(SirSamuel016 #61)
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About the Dego det claim I'm on the fence. 2 dets in such a small comp sounds a bit much. But would a mafia claiming det mess up their targets announcement ?
T!Nash being Necro puts a dampener on it imo, but whats more interesting to me is what Vali just said about targeting Hardy n2 for no result. Sounded like he was alluding to something that I reckon would make it impossible for Dego to be Det if true.

Mafia can have slips; he's inexperienced so I wouldn't rule it out. If they fed him results to reel off but butchered the delivery of it then that'd be what we're looking at.
 

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Sam: Vanilla
Copan: Vanilla
Hardy: Vanilla
Marm: Bulletproof
________________
Natasha: Necromancer
Tatsu: Avenger
Dego: Detective
Vali: ??? (active hint but refusing to claim)

@Hardy @Copy Panda what do you make of this?
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0 reason for Vali to keep taking issue when its do or die, its just obstructive at this point
+doctor and restless spirit

Too many ways of investigation and avenger is kind of out of the left field. Maybe too many vanillas tbf 👀

Yeah I don't understand Dego but he can at least string 2 sentences together lol. I have no clue what Vali is doing.
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Hardy randomly playing games with me, hurr durr "guess my role. oh you didnt get it, mafia also wouldn't know", while slowly moving to frame me. Mans didn't even claim.

Sam keeps saying he's changed his opinion but every other post he and Hardy are throwing 3 name combinations to see what seems agreeable.

Dego super clumsy reasoning and roll out?

I just need Vali and Hardy I guess to actually claim before I lock this worldview
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hardy xlaimes vanilla??
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hardy interrogated dego but ultimately doesn't really question the results despite the unsatisfactory response to his questions
Bruh did you skip all my posts?
 

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+doctor and restless spirit

Too many ways of investigation and avenger is kind of out of the left field. Maybe too many vanillas tbf 👀

Yeah I don't understand Dego but he can at least string 2 sentences together lol. I have no clue what Vali is doing.
Suppose I'll jump the gun: to me it looked like Vali was alluding to being a Spy? Hence why he was pissy he didn't get a result on you? Only thing that sorta makes sense there. If that is somehow true then that just means Dego is Mafia Det cosplaying as a 2nd town det and fumbled the kick out pass when questioned on targets.

role list claims of:
Sam: Vanilla Townie #1
Hardy: Vanilla Townie #3
Copan: Vanilla Townie #2
Marmalade: Bulletproof
________________
Pom: Doctor
Kako: Detective #1
Lawl: Restless Spirit

Natasha: Necromancer
Tatsu: Avenger
Dego: Detective #2
Vali: ??? (Active, sounding spy?)

Numbers detail who claimed in what order if the roles are doubled (I said Vanilla d1, Copan definitely had by d2 if not late d1?)
 

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I went to bed and I was the only one having issues with Dego's targeting, I wanted to see who else agreed (or not) and who completely ignored it.

So far I don't think anyone mentioned it which makes me think I'm taking crazy pills. The logic on the targets makes no sense (to the point his last reply was that he doesn't even remember what he thought).
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Suppose I'll jump the gun: to me it looked like Vali was alluding to being a Spy? Hence why he was pissy he didn't get a result on you? Only thing that sorta makes sense there. If that is somehow true then that just means Dego is Mafia Det cosplaying as a 2nd town det and fumbled the kick out pass when questioned on targets.

role list claims of:
Sam: Vanilla Townie #1
Hardy: Vanilla Townie #3
Copan: Vanilla Townie #2
Marmalade: Bulletproof
________________
Pom: Doctor
Kako: Detective #1
Lawl: Restless Spirit

Natasha: Necromancer
Tatsu: Avenger
Dego: Detective #2
Vali: ??? (Active, sounding spy?)

Numbers detail who claimed in what order if the roles are doubled (I said Vanilla d1, Copan definitely had by d2 if not late d1?)
Then why does he think I'm mafia if I couldn't possibly kill anyone last night? Why did he bring up Marm in that other post?
 

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So far I don't think anyone mentioned it which makes me think I'm taking crazy pills. The logic on the targets makes no sense (to the point his last reply was that he doesn't even remember what he thought).
Its been mentioned a couple of times I think? Not in detail but I certainly agree that it just doesn't line up in terms of choice of target and then reasoning/believing in said player. Marm was an Active claimer and Nash hinted at her role fitting her character well so maybe its MDet checks? Just odd tbh
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Then why does he think I'm mafia if I couldn't possibly kill anyone last night? Why did he bring up Marm in that other post?
Because he said he trusted Marm?

He wasn't necessarily saved by the Doc Sam, maybe he got protected or maybe Marm and I suspect a different scenario might have played out. She is the only one who didn't call me a complete schizo before
It was only two posts later that Marm then said she lied about being active, saying she was bulletproof:

Hola I’m here now till I fall asleep.
I hinted that I had an active role, but considering the nature of my role thats not actually true. I’m a bulletproof, I wanted to seem like an active cutie to see if a mafia or two might fall for. This does mean there is a possibility Pom did not prevent a kill, there is no one that can confirm that I think.
Now before you get mad and tunnel; if we mislynch we are fucked so please think and lers make decisions when we have all the information.
Having asked Vali to claim prior to all of this, he said that he and Marm might've had reasons for not claiming yet 🥴 I feel like a nutcase going "cOuLd ThEy Be LiNkEd?", but it crossed my mind. Either cooincidence that he forshadowed another explanation to a failed kill coming from Marm or maybe its a plan from them both. Genuinely don't know.

fwiw I don't think Marm lying about active is 'bad', if bulletproof then it does make sense to bait. That said I still doubt she'd be a kill n1 that most would go for if town (no offence Kelso)
 

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What is there to explain further. I marked someone yes, I'll stay silent on who.
Well, that yes. Any more details make your claim more believable (or not).

Is there anything to gain from hiding it at this point?
 

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I believe this, and i will full claim before the last hour to let people discuss.

I can anticipate that i am not able to frame Hardy specifically because my night action on him produced no results in Day 2, hence my frustration, but yours makes it believable that Hardy isn't a confirmed Townie at least.

Still i will have to think about who to focus for my lynch vote, probably Sam or Dego.
not able to frame Hardy
Frame was certainly a choice to use 🤔 #noticing
 

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Dego-Vali-Anyone but Nash makes sense right?

With one of Dego or Nash surely lying so they cannot be in the same team.
 

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Dego-Vali-Anyone but Nash makes sense right?

With one of Dego or Nash surely lying so they cannot be in the same team.
Marm-Dego-Vali?

If we think Tatsu is okay then the only swappables become Copan for Marm and Nash for Vali imo? Reading back through Marm's posts makes me wonder if she's the scum and not Copan of the pair

It looks like Copan's out for my blood atm though which is interesting but fair given how I was pounding him throughout the game; if town I hope he'll genuinely discuss in good faith but I suppose how both Pan and Marm interact from here will be telling. Only one can be maf if one of the two is maf based on Marm's d1 vote...

If both are town then ye cunts fucked I'm fully lost, maybe that's where Nash flies into the mix
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Not sure if its a notable change in activity/demeanour but Nash hasn't been posting as much this game?
 

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Pleaseeee adress questions swperately and not in a wall if there is anything you want to talk about, I won’t be home for the upcoming days and without a laptop it’s very tedious to quote seperate things from walls haha. I tried picking things here to respond to!
On Vali, I agree that not claiming looks dodgy and like scum stalling (case in point, me a few games ago when I refused to claim). I don't think his general play has been very town, and a bit off in places. What did you make of him associating himself with you when he argued you agreed with him and that you both had reasons to not be claiming?
My issue with this mostly is, if he were mafia why in the world would he make claiming such a situation (in terms of now waiting to reveal). Like it makes no sense drawing attention to yourself as mafia unless you were already caught anyway?
I’m not saying I fully believe he’s town. I think our attention might be better focused in the investigative siuation for the moment. I don’t really agree he’s been aligning himself with me. Yes he’s making some arguments that include hypotheticals surrounding me, but that doesn’t say anything in regards to allegience.


I don't think its a guarantee that Kako is sane. (….)
You did raise the possibility that someone targeted you because you were bulletproof; what I'd like to know is why you didn't announce it last day after Pom said that if you thought she might've been wrong about that? Or did you and I missed it? Either way, I'd think Hardy a more likely target for mafia
(…)


I think Dego is lying about being detective.
1. Kako is sane in my hypothesis there is only 1 det. It would make no sense to put an insane det in a game with no others to do the investigsting, especially when there is a necromancers involved. That would be screwing over multiple players and I don’t see Gry doing that tbh.
2. I didn’t raise it exactly for that reason, it would not have prevented mafia going for Pom likely, but at least they’d have a cute to maybe block/alternative target if they somehow ended up not going for Pom. Besides, at the time I was fully Hardy is likely town. It doesn’t say anything about him being mafia or not (with only mine + poms information, it could still fall multiple ways).

3. Im glad we are at least on the same page regarding that!

and yes Sam, I don’t think you are town and still don’t. You have been weird. I get sitting bsck bc your meds situation, I’m glad you are. But I still stand by the fact town Sam would have been going spiraling for awhile here. Maybe it would have been an angry spiral if its judt the meds making you weird this game.
I don’t think its illogical and the current standings with the claims seem to support it as well (believing Nash over Dego).

my hands are falling asleep as I type this lmao.
 

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Too soon for me to figure anything out though, I just want to hear Vali's claim atm so I can try and piece it together with what info we have
 

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Im surprised I didnt fuck up the quotes somehow bbcode on mh always dislikes me
 

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and yes Sam, I don’t think you are town and still don’t. You have been weird. I get sitting bsck bc your meds situation, I’m glad you are. But I still stand by the fact town Sam would have been going spiraling for awhile here.
WOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAH SHE SAID THE THING!!!

Town Sam would be spiralling and inquisitive.
@Marmalade why are you parroting him? 😭
 

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Has nobody been reading my posts or is it just Mafia intentionally playing dumb and exploring la la land theories with my fairly obvious role ? That's exactly why i am not giving everything right now btw, i want to see who actually read my posts and who is just trying to blow smoke in people eyes. Not letting you change the narrative last second, good luck making fools of yourselves.
 

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My issue with this mostly is, if he were mafia why in the world would he make claiming such a situation (in terms of now waiting to reveal). Like it makes no sense drawing attention to yourself as mafia unless you were already caught anyway?
I’m not saying I fully believe he’s town. I think our attention might be better focused in the investigative siuation for the moment. I don’t really agree he’s been aligning himself with me. Yes he’s making some arguments that include hypotheticals surrounding me, but that doesn’t say anything in regards to allegience.
He hasn't claimed yet, but to me it sounded like he was starting to allude to Spy so this becomes another layer in the investigative quarrel. Starting there, I just don't believe Dego. A 2nd det sounds impossible to me. Nash with necro hinted early and its consistent so I think she's town even with the character issues present.

Back to Vali though, I have no clue. At this point he's holding out either because he has no good claim to fake or he's town and thinks he's making a cool play when he isn't and he just looks like a non-contributive fella. Like fucking claim already @Vali x lucifer , okay you targeted Hardy but who else? You had two nights of action but DO SOMETHING
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Has nobody been reading my posts or is it just Mafia intentionally playing dumb and exploring la la land theories with my fairly obvious role ? That's exactly why i am not giving everything right now btw, i want to see who actually read my posts and who is just trying to blow smoke in people eyes. Not letting you change the narrative last second, good luck making fools of yourselves.
I've read, quoted, and responded to your recent posts??? You said people acted like you were schizophrenic earlier but straight up ignoring people asking you things like YOUR CLAIM and then saying people haven't taken any note of you is weeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrdddd

Turn it up and claim already bruv, if you're town you're throwing the game by witholding info that could help us determine who's bullshitting
 

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He hasn't claimed yet, but to me it sounded like he was starting to allude to Spy so this becomes another layer in the investigative quarrel. Starting there, I just don't believe Dego. A 2nd det sounds impossible to me. Nash with necro hinted early and its consistent so I think she's town even with the character issues present.

Back to Vali though, I have no clue. At this point he's holding out either because he has no good claim to fake or he's town and thinks he's making a cool play when he isn't and he just looks like a non-contributive fella. Like fucking claim already @Vali x lucifer , okay you targeted Hardy but who else? You had two nights of action but DO SOMETHING
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I've read, quoted, and responded to your recent posts??? You said people acted like you were schizophrenic earlier but straight up ignoring people asking you things like YOUR CLAIM and then saying people haven't taken any note of you is weeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrdddd

Turn it up and claim already bruv, if you're town you're throwing the game by witholding info that could help us determine who's bullshitting
Night 1 no action, now you have no excuse
 

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Hmmm who was the guy that pushed extremely hard on a lynch for our detective and who just happened to be assisted by Sam in pushing the 100% cleared by the Doc agenda that would obviously go for a mafia night kill in n2 I wonder :facepalm
 
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