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I've never really tried it but too me its just another thing that seems to have negative connotations so I've avoided it just like drugs, alcohol, women, etc...
 

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so I've avoided it just like drugs, alcohol, women, etc...
the last one floored me^^
 

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I'm in favor of legalizing MJ through medicinal purposes....it is known to lessen the pain due to some illnesses, so why not?

and as for addiction, no it's not addictive. I do it when I feel like it, but when I don't feel like it, I have enough control to resist it, as long as I want.....so no, it isn't addictive.


Legalizing it will also eliminate all the profits that come from illegal distribution of MJ......but, for now, it isn't that bad.

But drugs other than MJ, i.e. cocaine, is a profitable illegal business.

Anyway, whether or not it is legalized wholesale, I don't really mind.....but for the medicinal use, I'm all for it.
 

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I'm in favor of legalizing MJ through medicinal purposes....it is known to lessen the pain due to some illnesses, so why not?

and as for addiction, no it's not addictive. I do it when I feel like it, but when I don't feel like it, I have enough control to resist it, as long as I want.....so no, it isn't addictive.


Legalizing it will also eliminate all the profits that come from illegal distribution of MJ......but, for now, it isn't that bad.

But drugs other than MJ, i.e. cocaine, is a profitable illegal business.

Anyway, whether or not it is legalized wholesale, I don't really mind.....but for the medicinal use, I'm all for it.
the legalization of MJ honestly would help alot of tax and money problems america has jon paul the guy running for prez is trying to legalize it for small amounts i think its like half an ounce per sale and carry at any time and a slight tax to help fund stuff honestly i believe its a great idea and is a much safer drug the things like alchol, coke, meth, PCP, and stuff they are very dangerous
 

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I've never tried it, but I hear of alot of people using it. Normally I laugh at stories of people getting caught (I don't hear of really harsh punishments, though). To be perfectly honest, I don't see anything wrong with smoking Mary Jane unless it's done in public or too much. And there's that argument that it prepares you for far more dangerous drugs.
 

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like anything we take it has to be in moderation. mary alone maybe wont hurt you but mixed with all the other chemicals and stuff we use daily we dont know what could happen.
 

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I've never tried it, but I hear of alot of people using it. Normally I laugh at stories of people getting caught (I don't hear of really harsh punishments, though). To be perfectly honest, I don't see anything wrong with smoking Mary Jane unless it's done in public or too much. And there's that argument that it prepares you for far more dangerous drugs.
over here in ann arbor the laws are very lenient first time cought u get a $10 fine and a slap on the wrist, and each consecutive time the fine doubles so $10, $20, $40, $80, $160 lol i think after the 3rd time ur arrested
 

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It's not too hard to avoid getting caught with marijuana. Just don't take it/smoke it in public places. Back in high school, the only people who ever got caught with it were the ones dumb enough to bring it to school. As long as Mary Jane is enjoyed in a basement and not at a kegger or something that would attract police attention, chances are you won't get caught, unless in your country police are allowed to conduct random raids and you happen to be on the list that night. :p

What gets police attention is the dealers. In the town where my college is there was just a major drug bust with people who sold MJ and other drugs (mostly prescription stuff). They spent the better part of a year investigating into this matter. Perhaps law enforcement is a bit swifter in the big cities, but the operation was small-time and so I think as long as you are not involved in some giant drug cartel and are smart about where you light up, you won't get caught.
 

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WEED = GOOD

marijuana is a natural expectorant, it opens up your airways and softens up hard mucus, and lets you spew it out. it's also way less addictive as compared to alcohol and cigarettes.

being high ain't bad, just as long as you don't go doing dumb shit when you are. the most i do when under the influence is i eat/ laugh/ sleep....
 

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i see your points about why mj can become legal but thats exaclty the point you miss something guys...

look at the general picture...if mj becomes legal, then everyone can get and use it. if you say "we can put an age limit", then i say "hey, wake up, do you think people under 18 never drink alcohol, well they do, welcome to reality" and we are talking about mj, something can lead to worse addictiveness....not everybody has strong characterics so they dont get addictive to worse things, or just tries and quits those..even 1/10 has weak characteristics, if you have millions of people, then you will have thousands or millions who are addictive to something at some degree..and whatever it is, addictiveness is bad.

you should always think about worse senarios, and even if it is forbidden, there are still people who can get it use it so let it be just like this, dont let it spread freely :)
 

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I'm also pro cannabis-legalization. Most of the arguments were already said.

@walkie:
It doesn't matter if it is legal or not if it is about the number of consumers. (At least for most of the western states)
Take for example Germany and the Netherlands.(relatively close about wealth and culture)
In the Netherlands it is more or less legal, but the higher number of consumers(per inhabitant) has Germany.
If you want to smoke cannabis, you can get it.

And about leading to harder drugs: That comes mostly with the problem of the black market. (Dealer thinks:"I'm selling cannabis, and it's illegal. What does it matter if I sell cocaine, too." Some consumers, who wouldn't get in touch with the hard stuff(except for alcohol) think analog.
Germany for example has about 20 times more deaths because of Heroine than NL, but only 5 times more inhabitants.

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About the brain damage. The brain damage caused by cannabis mostly is caused, when you are under 18, because cannabis works at the anandamid-receptors in your brain. And the whole cannabinoid-System in your brain gets squirrled if you smoke too much at an young age, because your brain is not so near to the fully developed status than it is with 18-20.
And of course, a lot of brain damage is caused, when people smoke cannabis mixed with tobacco, because Nicotine is toxic and bad for your brain.
btw: Cannabinoids(for example THC) are not really toxic but more like enzymes.
But eating cannabis-products(cookies a.s.o.) is more healthy(or less dangerous) anyway and lets your lung and yourself smile. :)
 
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I'm also pro cannabis-legalization. Most of the arguments were already said.

@walkie:
It doesn't matter if it is legal or not if it is about the number of consumers. (At least for most of the western states)
Take for example Germany and the Netherlands.(relatively close about wealth and culture)
In the Netherlands it is more or less legal, but the higher number of consumers(per inhabitant) has Germany.
If you want to smoke cannabis, you can get it.

And about leading to harder drugs: That comes mostly with the problem of the black market. (Dealer thinks:"I'm selling cannabis, and it's illegal. What does it matter if I sell cocaine, too." Some consumers, who wouldn't get in touch with the hard stuff(except for alcohol) think analog.
Germany for example has about 20 times more deaths because of Heroine than NL, but only 5 times more inhabitants.
i see your points about why mj can become legal but thats exaclty the point you miss something guys...

look at the general picture...if mj becomes legal, then everyone can get and use it. if you say "we can put an age limit", then i say "hey, wake up, do you think people under 18 never drink alcohol, well they do, welcome to reality" and we are talking about mj, something can lead to worse addictiveness....not everybody has strong characterics so they dont get addictive to worse things, or just tries and quits those..even 1/10 has weak characteristics, if you have millions of people, then you will have thousands or millions who are addictive to something at some degree..and whatever it is, addictiveness is bad.

you should always think about worse senarios, and even if it is forbidden, there are still people who can get it use it so let it be just like this, dont let it spread freely :)
i would have to agree with jiin no mater how much u legalize it its not going to change how much or how many users are going to be. honestly if u smoke a bit of MJ every once in awhile it wont lead to the abuse of other stuff. its also very hard to get out of control in smoking MJ honestly walkie have u ever sat down and smoked some? ... has it ever lead u to do other things? ... ill bet u it probably didn't if it did the worst probably was some other psychedelics and most ppl only do them only once or twice and have a bad experience and never touch them again lol. anyway because of the major disinformation campaigns from the 40s and on in movies, news, television, and radio it caused alot of wrong and bent information to get across to the people.
 

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i see your points about why mj can become legal but thats exaclty the point you miss something guys...

look at the general picture...if mj becomes legal, then everyone can get and use it. if you say "we can put an age limit", then i say "hey, wake up, do you think people under 18 never drink alcohol, well they do, welcome to reality" and we are talking about mj, something can lead to worse addictiveness....not everybody has strong characterics so they dont get addictive to worse things, or just tries and quits those..even 1/10 has weak characteristics, if you have millions of people, then you will have thousands or millions who are addictive to something at some degree..and whatever it is, addictiveness is bad.

you should always think about worse senarios, and even if it is forbidden, there are still people who can get it use it so let it be just like this, dont let it spread freely :)
So we shouldn't legalize marijuana because people under 18 might use it? People under 18 are already using it. A lot. Besides, if we criminalized everything that people with addictive personalities would abuse to a dangerous level, we'd have to make prescription drugs and food illegal! People with addictive personalities do things to excess, and sometimes to such an extent that they kill themselves like by OD'ing or by eating way too much, which doesn't kill you right away but down the road 10 years it could. What I'm saying is that we shouldn't protect people from things that may be dangerous in the case they have addictive personalities, we should help these people control their urge to smoke too much.

@ _ATMA:
I'd agree. Propaganda from the 40's really did spread a lot of disinformation, like people get "reefer madness" and shoot each other. I'm not saying no one got too high and shot someone, chances are it has happened at least once or twice, but not nearly as much as when drunk people get behind the wheel or get violent.
 

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@legal age- the legal age doesn't matter...i drank my first beer before i was 10, smoked my firs cig when i was 12 and had my frist joint when i was 15....no one follows the age limit....

@weed being addictive- weed is at least 40% less addictive compared to nicotine. nicotine makes your body dependent on it once you become a chain smoker, and going cold turkey will result into you getting sick, unlike when you go cold turkey on weed- nothing happens....there's no real "addiction" to it.
 

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Weed's less dangerous than alcohol - IMO. & Smoking age should be 16. Like 2 years will make some world of difference. You're old enough to drive 2000 lbs of steel around at 70mph - but you can't smoke a cig?

There's more self-destructive habits out there than smoking too - like eating at McDonalds 7 times a week and turning yourself into a clogged-artery blob.

But really, I mean, when's the last time you've heard of someone getting into a car accident while smoking a joint?

Or - a guy beating his kids because he was smoking....

It just don't happen.

With all this technology & BS that's out there today - if people are so worried about abuse & crap - why not use this newfangled interwebs to our advantage ... make a cheap-ass system to scan existing ID ( durr, driver's license ) to make sure people don't go OD'ing all over the place. Nah, too simple.

I'm sure if you handed that to one of these gov't people they'd f- the hell out of it.

PLUS -

Just look at the justice system too. People who smoke getting tossed into jail - wasting space for something they like to do, that doesn't hurt *anyone*. I mean, come on - wtf. They should start arresting obese people then - they do more damage & harm to themselves than smokers do. Give me a break.


On a side note, I don't smoke. I'm just sick of seeing nanny-state dictating what people should-and-should not do. Half of the time - their decisions are half-ass moronic ones that make no sense at all.
 
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Skimmed the thread so I hope I don't repeat anything.

I've smoked weed & cigarettes, as well as drank (haven't done much beyond that other than shrooms & opium, both of which have been years ago and have no interest in doing again).

If cigarettes & alcohol are legal, weed should be as well. However, that's not a very good argument.

There is a definite medicinal benefit to marijuana, so that's one reason it should be legal. It is fairly unhealthy for you (as smoking anything usually isn't), but you can eat it or vaporize it to counter that, and if you do smoke it, it's not as much as tobacco so it isn't as bad.

From a legal perspective (in the US)...why is it illegal anyway? The anti-hemp lobbying definitely was a culprit, but there was also a racial reason for making it illegal. There is a history of racism when it comes to making substances illegal, look at the dates when they were outlawed and what influx of immigrants or a current minority the drugs might apply to that would help the law control those groups. The reasons for marijuana being outlawed have changed from causing insanity & death to being a gateway drug as well. Why aren't alcohol and tobacco considered there too?

IMO, the gateway drug theory is bunk. It's a correlation, but not causation. Most people don't get into drugs with the hardest of substances that are more difficult to find or use. It's the obvious point to make that really has no relevance. It's no different than saying people who play college basketball often move on to the NBA or other pro league. But very few people start off in the pro leagues. Just a bunch of statistical mumbo jumbo.

There is also a point of personal freedom here. I feel that you should be able to ingest and do to yourself whatever you will. I think it's dumb to drink antifreeze or do coke or heroin, but that's your choice. There will be problems, so as a left-leaning US citizen, I think it is upon us to address drug addiction.

It would be far better for the US to decriminalize marijuana, and, perhaps, all drugs, and regulate them. The War on Drugs is just as unwinnable as the War on Terror - you are facing a formless, abstract idea that will never be destroyed. Better to address it proactively and give yourself better vision of what's going on. You will know who is buying what, when, and where. You can tax it to support the costs of the program and others, such as rehab or detox centers. You can educate people about it. But give them to choice to do what they will with themselves.

And finally, just look to Bill Hicks for wisdom on the subject. Two people get in a fight at a party...are they drunk or stoned?
You get in an accident while driving...where you drunk or stoned? If you were stoned, you just open up the garage door and go on your way. :)
 

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well i think that smokin is just stupid no matter what kind of high or buzz it gives you everyone has problems so dont try to just get rid of them by smokin they just get bigger pepole dont understand what kind of damage they are doin to themselfswell thats what i got to say
 

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well i think that smokin is just stupid no matter what kind of high or buzz it gives you everyone has problems so dont try to just get rid of them by smokin they just get bigger pepole dont understand what kind of damage they are doin to themselfswell thats what i got to say
Yeah, smoking is lame. Especially cigarettes. I've never smoked one, not since I saw some guy working the ferris wheel at the County Fair cough up a lung, with blood and everything spew out, and then light up. Plus, his teeth were all black. I don't care how much it makes you look like a "rebel" or whatever, smoking is just gross.

I recently saw a special on VH1 called "The Drug Years". They got to talking about marijuana and coke, and how drug use in the 70's was about just "getting high", unlike in the 60's where it was to achieve enlightenment or some other BS. So that got me to thinking, why do people smoke marijuana? Is getting high really all that great? Because the people I know who smoke Mary Jane regularly are kind of screwed up.
 

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Yeah, smoking is lame. Especially cigarettes. I've never smoked one, not since I saw some guy working the ferris wheel at the County Fair cough up a lung, with blood and everything spew out, and then light up. Plus, his teeth were all black. I don't care how much it makes you look like a "rebel" or whatever, smoking is just gross.

I recently saw a special on VH1 called "The Drug Years". They got to talking about marijuana and coke, and how drug use in the 70's was about just "getting high", unlike in the 60's where it was to achieve enlightenment or some other BS. So that got me to thinking, why do people smoke marijuana? Is getting high really all that great? Because the people I know who smoke Mary Jane regularly are kind of screwed up.
hmmm thats not entirely true honestly alot of people who smoke it smoke it for entirely leginiment reasons such as to help releave pain they can afford medication for and many other reasons, some people just like to come home from a long day of work sit back and relax a bit. there are many many reasons for smoke some bud here and there some people do it to socialize. back in the Victorian ages in the middle east and India there were places where you would go smoke tobacco and socialize with others and talk about politics. its the same with anything such as coffee, tea, tobacco, marijuana, and many other things of that nature in the past they have always been used as a socializing tool.

some people have their reasons for smoking some just started to just look cool and things like that.
 

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The difference between coffee, tea, and tobacco and marijuana is that coffee, tea, and tobacco don't get you high. There's a buzz or an energy surge, but no high. Also, no one decides not to go to work/do their homework/ etc... and smoke tobacco or drink coffee instead. If anyone has seen VH1's Celebrity Rehab (I watch way too much VH1), one of the rehab patients is Jamie Foxworth, and she is addicted to marijuana and would rather smoke dope and watch cartoons than go out for auditions or get a job. This is an extreme case, but there are plenty of people like that. When does pot smoking go from a social activity to a problem? This is one of the things that blocks the legalization of marijuana.
 
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