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The difference between coffee, tea, and tobacco and marijuana is that coffee, tea, and tobacco don't get you high. There's a buzz or an energy surge, but no high. Also, no one decides not to go to work/do their homework/ etc... and smoke tobacco or drink coffee instead. If anyone has seen VH1's Celebrity Rehab (I watch way too much VH1), one of the rehab patients is Jamie Foxworth, and she is addicted to marijuana and would rather smoke dope and watch cartoons than go out for auditions or get a job. This is an extreme case, but there are plenty of people like that. When does pot smoking go from a social activity to a problem? This is one of the things that blocks the legalization of marijuana.
its still used for the same purpose, regardless of the effects on the body also less then like 2% of the people who smoke weed are actually "addicted"

also high is just a term for a feeling that is different among different drugs if u consider it and take a step back look at it caffeine to is a drug its a stimulant... its actually closely related to nicotine chemically both are stimulants and both are very addictive wouldnt u consider that buzzing rush of energy a "high"

in regards of the "When does pot smoking go from a social activity to a problem?" does this make it right to stop all smokers from being allowed to smoke or all ppl drinking to stop drinking alchol? the issue lays with in the way your perceiving the problem. i used to be a tight stright laced bastard about all these issues but after graduating from high school i realized i waisted most of my life. take a step back and explore things a little more and you may understand what im trying to get at.

anyway weed isnt a very big issue that should be thrown out the door as its far less dangerous then many other things u can do such as drinking or snorting coke, and injecting ur self w/ heroine. but honestly its the persons choice if they want to do things such as smoke weed, drink some whisky at home, or smoke a cigerate, honestly its a choice that should up to the person whos doing it to them selves if they are falling apart and they realize they really need help then thats when the time for intervention

heh im just gona shut up and stop rambeling on now time for CS
 
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i dont see your aruging with him smokin is bad no matter what_ATMA
 

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The difference between coffee, tea, and tobacco and marijuana is that coffee, tea, and tobacco don't get you high. There's a buzz or an energy surge, but no high. Also, no one decides not to go to work/do their homework/ etc... and smoke tobacco or drink coffee instead. If anyone has seen VH1's Celebrity Rehab (I watch way too much VH1), one of the rehab patients is Jamie Foxworth, and she is addicted to marijuana and would rather smoke dope and watch cartoons than go out for auditions or get a job. This is an extreme case, but there are plenty of people like that. When does pot smoking go from a social activity to a problem? This is one of the things that blocks the legalization of marijuana.
Here's the thing: I have a feeling Ms. Foxworth would have a problem no matter what drug she was doing. So is it the drug (no, especially since she is an extreme case), or the person? Addiction is tough & serious, but it can be overcome, you just have to want it. So I don't blame drugs for that. And if she wants to drink or smoke herself into oblivion and doesn't hurt anyone else, that is her choice.

Besides, you admitted you don't smoke and still watch too much tv. Do YOU have a problem? :)

You asked why people smoke marijuana. I do it because I enjoy it. Same as drinking. Tobacco can be enjoyable too, but if you aren't careful, it will get you.

Weed stands out to me though for a lot of reasons. You can't OD on it. You may impair yourself somewhat after using it, but it's not permanent and it's hardly damaging. Most of all, it makes everything I already like more enjoyable: eating, listening/playing music, playing video games, watching movies, sex, exercise, etc. I don't try to rely on it for pleasure, because then it is a problem and I can't enjoy things normally. So moderation, in all things, is key. It also does wonders for my creativity and thinking. I've had incredible thoughts and observations while high that may not be reproducible while sober. I may lose short term memory temporarily (and it's really not that bad for me), but I can still function well with everything I do (but I don't go to work or school or anything serious while high). I have fun while using it whether I'm be myself or with others (preferred).

The only problem I have with weed is that it represses my dreams. When I don't smoke they come back or are more common.
 

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but most of the time pepole think that they are in control and then make things worse ive know pepole who have smoked and then were drivin like idiots and then crashed into crap so no its not ok to do it you never know what kind of reaction you will get its not safe or fun if you want to do some thing get up and play something or go skate
 

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its the same with everything that has an effect on the body. alcohol especially. you know yourself so control yourself. if you get drunk and did something stupid that's not the alcohol's fault. same with weed. though i do get pretty hyper when high, i dont cross lines. dont smoke if you cant handle it

ditto with what jermofoot said, being high spices up the moment. one of the many things why weed is tempting. more tempting than alcohol or cigs.
 

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its still used for the same purpose, regardless of the effects on the body also less then like 2% of the people who smoke weed are actually "addicted"

also high is just a term for a feeling that is different among different drugs if u consider it and take a step back look at it caffeine to is a drug its a stimulant... its actually closely related to nicotine chemically both are stimulants and both are very addictive wouldnt u consider that buzzing rush of energy a "high"

in regards of the "When does pot smoking go from a social activity to a problem?" does this make it right to stop all smokers from being allowed to smoke or all ppl drinking to stop drinking alchol? the issue lays with in the way your perceiving the problem. i used to be a tight stright laced bastard about all these issues but after graduating from high school i realized i waisted most of my life. take a step back and explore things a little more and you may understand what im trying to get at.

anyway weed isnt a very big issue that should be thrown out the door as its far less dangerous then many other things u can do such as drinking or snorting coke, and injecting ur self w/ heroine. but honestly its the persons choice if they want to do things such as smoke weed, drink some whisky at home, or smoke a cigerate, honestly its a choice that should up to the person whos doing it to them selves if they are falling apart and they realize they really need help then thats when the time for intervention

heh im just gona shut up and stop rambeling on now time for CS
I think you've gotten the wrong idea about why I post this. I am for the legalization of marijuana, but I can see why many people disagree with that stance. I am just playing "devil's advocate" here, mainly because few people in this convo disagree with making pot legal. I probably should have said that before I posted the first time, but hindsight's 20/20.

@Jermofoot.
Yes, actually, my tv viewing is a problem. For example, instead of working on my essay yesterday I watched 5 hours of Judge shows, Scrubs, reruns of "The Daily Show" and "The Colbert Report" (I had already watched these episodes twice in the previous 24 hours) and a special on UFOs. To fix the problem I've taken to taping shows that are premiering or sound interesting and watch them on Sunday. And the only reason I don't smoke weed is because my parents used to and their complete idiots.

Now, back to the subject at hand. While I have not smoked and don't drink, I have spent a considerable amount of time around people who do. Quite frankly, people on dope and who are drunk have a few things in common. For one thing, they act moronic. The manner they act like morons is different of course. Drunk people shout, break things, slur their words, and lose most inhibitions, while stoned people tend to be lazy and giggle a lot, occasionally at inappropriate times. So if marijuana use is much safer for the public (seeing as drunks can be downright violent), why is alcohol use legal?

The reason drinking is legal while most other forms of drug use are not is a simple matter of tradition. Before water filters, coca cola, etc... there were not that many forms of safe fluids to drink (milk, water,and ciders existed of course but could be contaminated, until the invention of pasteurisation). Seeing as alcohol kills most bacteria, it was safe to drink and was also a good way to store crops seeing as it does not normally go bad (in many cases it gets better with age), alcohol was a favorite drink. Alcohol was enjoyed by the masses (at least in western civilization), unlike marjuana, which has roots in the middle east and was used in India but never had widespread popularity in Europe in the middle ages/early Renaissance.

Indentured servants from India were brought to the South American continent in the mid 1800s and spread to North America from their. People in the islands of the Gulf of Mexico (especially black slaves/former slaves) took to the drug, as did their counterparts in the US. To make a long story short, white people didn't like black people getting high so the made marijuana illegal.

My point is, the fact that marijuana may be less dangerous than alcohol does not matter. Conservatives will block any attempt at legalization based on history, not on facts (though it has been decriminalized). I kind of think marijuana doesn't need to be legalized, seeing as it has been decriminalized so much and that as long as you don't take your mary jane to school/work/public places/etc... you probably won't get caught with it.
 

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Drug is a drug,no matter what people said.
If is bad for your body,why use it?
 

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Drug is a drug,no matter what people said.
If is bad for your body,why use it?
Because it's enjoyable. You say that if it's bad for your body, why do it, but EVERYTHING is bad for you. If you're on the computer, that's bad for your eyes. You eat sweets (or just about anything, these days) it's unhealthy for your body. Hair products destroy your hair and scalp. Wearing shoes can give you blisters and damage your feet, depending on the shoe. Hell, going outside in he sun can cause cancer :/

Everything you do in life can risk your body, you just have to pick and choose which actions to do. We all die at some point anyways.
 

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As we live,we are consuming yourself s,your life goes away..day by day..that is nature.
But live also teach us,that everything have a price.
And is not always that something enjoyable can be good,or that you have to do it.
I guess,thats because im from a military family(very strict one),and by age..that i have a rigid point of view..about that.
But is with experience,with errors,that we learn..so the young ones,will learn too.
 

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Well, it all depends on how addictive marijuana can be and whether it tends to lead one to making bad decisions, maybe not so much to themselves but to other people.

I agree that alcohol and smoking is worse, and while I drink occasionally, I don't smoke. I certainly have to admit that being drunk can lead a person to do things that they can regret very much, if the person just doesn't care enough being heavily intoxicated. I don't know if weed does, never touched the stuff, but I did know a lot of people in campus that did it and they seemed in control most of the time, so I guess as long as the age limit is reasonable I'd be okay with it being legalized, but I certainly wouldn't want to add another addiction to my collection. I'm already struggling enough with my diet right now as it is, heh.

As for food, well, it's necessary to keep living to eat and drink, Katy, not so much to smoke weed. Sure going out is a risk every day but why take unnecessary risks when you don't have to. I can understand people doing weed to relieve themselves of anxiety or whatever, but there's people who can do without it too. Of that course that applies to alcohol too, so I guess I'd call it a bad vice that I try not to overdo too much. It probably would be better for society as a whole if alcohol wasn't legal, but we all know what happened when the government tried to outlaw it once. Didn't work too well, heh.
 
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this is where the difference starts you know. if we based it objectively, weed is not bad. that's right, it is not bad.

now subjectively, mixed reactions. kinda like conservatives and radicals. now i dont want to live my life without any spice in it, even if its unnecessary i'd still do it just for my own satisfaction.
 

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Weed is very similar to alcohol, if you do it too much it is very bad for you. But in college I learned from my psychology professor that there was a study and it showed that ppl who smoke marijuana recreationally were psychologically healthier than ppl who abused it and those who didnt do it at all, and I tend to agree with that. I do smoke weed, hell my first name is part of its name! I really think it should be legal and I think its not because the government can't find a way to tax it cuz so many ppl grow it in there backyards. Then again, I have a great distrust for the government.
 

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It made me so damn sick that i puked all over my bathroom (for the whole night) and i just had the feeling i was gonna die. My heart was going crazy as well as my breathing, and i was scary as fuck.

It made me quit doing weed. In my country it's completely legal (Netherlands ftw), but it's just not worth my money.

And yes, I did have some experience with it and it overwhelmed me a bit. And it wasn't "bad shit" cause it was the same weed as i used couple of days before that and it got me pretty high.

I have a couple of friends who have been smoking weed every day for a couple of years now and most of them have become mentally retarded.
 

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It made me so damn sick that i puked all over my bathroom (for the whole night) and i just had the feeling i was gonna die. My heart was going crazy as well as my breathing, and i was scary as fuck.

It made me quit doing weed. In my country it's completely legal (Netherlands ftw), but it's just not worth my money.

And yes, I did have some experience with it and it overwhelmed me a bit. And it wasn't "bad shit" cause it was the same weed as i used couple of days before that and it got me pretty high.

I have a couple of friends who have been smoking weed every day for a couple of years now and most of them have become mentally retarded.
wow dude u must have got some really bad shit that either had mold growing on it or they cured it w/ some chemicals :s
 

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I personally smoke before i read manga, i only read it maybe once or twice or week but when i do it makes the experience all the more. At its core weed is a natural stimulant so it only makes sense that as long as you have enough discipline it would make stimulus based entertainment all the more.
 

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Well, it all depends on how addictive marijuana can be and whether it tends to lead one to making bad decisions, maybe not so much to themselves but to other people.

I agree that alcohol and smoking is worse, and while I drink occasionally, I don't smoke. I certainly have to admit that being drunk can lead a person to do things that they can regret very much, if the person just doesn't care enough being heavily intoxicated. I don't know if weed does, never touched the stuff, but I did know a lot of people in campus that did it and they seemed in control most of the time, so I guess as long as the age limit is reasonable I'd be okay with it being legalized, but I certainly wouldn't want to add another addiction to my collection. I'm already struggling enough with my diet right now as it is, heh.

As for food, well, it's necessary to keep living to eat and drink, Katy, not so much to smoke weed. Sure going out is a risk every day but why take unnecessary risks when you don't have to. I can understand people doing weed to relieve themselves of anxiety or whatever, but there's people who can do without it too. Of that course that applies to alcohol too, so I guess I'd call it a bad vice that I try not to overdo too much. It probably would be better for society as a whole if alcohol wasn't legal, but we all know what happened when the government tried to outlaw it once. Didn't work too well, heh.

here's the bottom line (my opinion)....if it isn't hurting another human being, so be it....let the individual make his personal choice. I want to speak only on behalf of America, since every country has their own culture...

In America, it's a free country. That's what's great about it.

Let an individual make his own choice, as long as it doesn't affect anybody, and we raise the legal age to ensure that those who are taking it, are mature enough to realize the risks and consequences.

This applies for weed, cigarettes, alcohol. I favor raising the legal age to at least 18, but preferably 21.

If second-hand smoke is a problem, have designated smoking areas, that solves it for everyone. The same for weed. If people want to slowly kill themselves, that's a personal choice. It isn't the government's job to meddle with that.

The only difference between weed/cigarettes, and alcohol, is that weed/cigarette does not pose as much of a danger to another human being, than with alcohol.

Try weed for once...it will slow your body to the point where it would be pointless to drive. The point of it is to relax.

With alcohol, I don't understand why people continue to drunk-drive. It's just mind-boggling...despite the law against it, people continue to do it.

This is where weed/cigarettes, in my view, is much safer than alcohol, not in terms of danger to the self, which I think is irrelevant, but more so in terms of how it endangers other people.

Let's not focus on the harm people chooses to inflict on themselves, that's their problem.

Let's focus on the bigger picture....alcohol via drunk-driving is a bigger risk to innocent people, than weed/cigarette accidents.

I have yet to see someone die of an accident caused by a weed/cigarette smoker.

In summary, I am not advocating a ban on alcohol, weed, cigarettes. I say it's a personal choice. Let's minimize the dangers it pose on innocents. But if we are to be fair, let's not stigmatize weed/cigarette smoking, because alcohol is just as bad, if not, worse.

And just to be clear...hardcore drugs (i.e. cocaine, heroin, etc.) needs to be treated as a separate issue.

That is something that I advocate a ban for, for the simple fact that it is the root cause of criminal activity (i.e. theft, murder, smuggling, prostitution, etc.). These severely lethal drugs actually poses harm on innocents, and therefore needs to be banned altogether.
 

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here's the bottom line (my opinion)....if it isn't hurting another human being, so be it....let the individual make his personal choice. I want to speak only on behalf of America, since every country has their own culture...

In America, it's a free country. That's what's great about it.

Let an individual make his own choice, as long as it doesn't affect anybody, and we raise the legal age to ensure that those who are taking it, are mature enough to realize the risks and consequences.

This applies for weed, cigarettes, alcohol. I favor raising the legal age to at least 18, but preferably 21.

If second-hand smoke is a problem, have designated smoking areas, that solves it for everyone. The same for weed. If people want to slowly kill themselves, that's a personal choice. It isn't the government's job to meddle with that.

The only difference between weed/cigarettes, and alcohol, is that weed/cigarette does not pose as much of a danger to another human being, than with alcohol.

Try weed for once...it will slow your body to the point where it would be pointless to drive. The point of it is to relax.

With alcohol, I don't understand why people continue to drunk-drive. It's just mind-boggling...despite the law against it, people continue to do it.

This is where weed/cigarettes, in my view, is much safer than alcohol, not in terms of danger to the self, which I think is irrelevant, but more so in terms of how it endangers other people.

Let's not focus on the harm people chooses to inflict on themselves, that's their problem.

Let's focus on the bigger picture....alcohol via drunk-driving is a bigger risk to innocent people, than weed/cigarette accidents.

I have yet to see someone die of an accident caused by a weed/cigarette smoker.

In summary, I am not advocating a ban on alcohol, weed, cigarettes. I say it's a personal choice. Let's minimize the dangers it pose on innocents. But if we are to be fair, let's not stigmatize weed/cigarette smoking, because alcohol is just as bad, if not, worse.

And just to be clear...hardcore drugs (i.e. cocaine, heroin, etc.) needs to be treated as a separate issue.

That is something that I advocate a ban for, for the simple fact that it is the root cause of criminal activity (i.e. theft, murder, smuggling, prostitution, etc.). These severely lethal drugs actually poses harm on innocents, and therefore needs to be banned altogether.
I agree with much of what you say, except about someone dying due to smoking-related accidents. People have accidentally set houses on fire with cigarettes. But other than that I agree.
 

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I'm not personally for getting stoned just for the heck of it, although I don't think there is really much of a difference between that and getting drunk. Either way, both are bad for your health. Some people are able to smoke a little here and there, and still go about their daily lives, just like some people are able to do the same with alcohol.

I can't really say what would happen if weed was suddenly leagalized over here in the states for regular use. But, I would like to see it legalized for medical reasons. I mean, if someone has cancer, and is having a hard time with pain and eating, then why not let them smoke a little to help? Pot is definitely a lot lighter than some of the drugs that we already prescribe for different health problems.
 

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I personally don't smoke but I still see nothing wrong with it. If people want to smoke go ahead let them.
 

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I've never tried weed, but I drink occasionally, and frankly I don't understand why cigarettes and alcohol are okay but marijuana is not. Drunk people are more irresponsible (and more dangerous to others) than stoned people, and tobacco is just as bad for your body. Not to mention marijuana may have analgesic (spelling) effects, judging from studies on people with terminal, painful illnesses like cancer. If the governments are going to prohibit dangerous substances they could at least be coherent: either you outlaw them all (pot, alcohol, cigs, etc.), or you don't outlaw any at all. My opinion: legalise it.
 
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