Discussion Straw Hat's Crew Strength (Ranking)

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Re: Rank the Strawhats!

when zoro and luffy did fight for the second time, zoro actually won
 

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Re: Rank the Strawhats!

1) No he didn't actually win. Or else Luffy'd be dead.

2) It was filler.

3) Did Luffy fight to his full strength? Gear 2nd or 3rd?

Ya kno Usopp also beat up Luffy pretty bad.. doesnt really mean Ussopp is stronger then Luffy or even close to his level.
 

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God you guys still dont get it.
Do you live behind the moon or what wrong with the most of you.
Because so many people are always complaining that Luffy is the captain and Zoro is stronger than him Oda took a clear line.
Gear 2 and Gear 3.
I dont know if anybody ever heard about those two gears, but like it seams that the most never saw them in action because then you now the truth.
Mister eiichiro oda made it that the people see who is the boss.
Man! He cant make clearer that Luffy is without question the far strongest.

You annalize wayyyyyyyy to much, way to much.
If Zoro would this if Luffy would that.
Stop.
If a fight will happen between those two Luffy stamp Zoro into the ground with ease.
He can even use both gears together. My god Oda made it even more clearer i forgot he used both.
What in the fucking world make you doubt mister Luffy will not win against mister Bushido.
That is so unlogical like a car without tires or a plane without wings.

However.

1. Luffy
2.Zoro/Robin. I dont underestimate Zoro but i tell you dont underestimate Robin either. She is smart has a 100% deadly abillity with which she can let things fly and of course make limbs ears eyes.
If James Bond would be a woman named Robin Bond (shitty name :XD) she would be it.
3.Sanji
4.Franky/Brook
5.Nami, Usopp, Chopper
 

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Re: Rank the Strawhats!

he is smart has a 100% deadly abillity with which she can let things fly and of course make limbs ears eyes.
If James Bond would be a woman named Robin Bond (shitty name ) she would be it.
God you still don't get it.

Theres a reason why the Luffy Zoro and Sanji are called teh Monster Trio, and theres a reason why Robin isn't in it.

*rolls eyes*
 

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Re: Rank the Strawhats!

^ Is so right. Robin can take out easy opponents who don't have the ability to react fast enough. She can also get hurt through her Hana Hanas so even with 200 of them (which is the maximum), against a strong enough opponent she'd get pretty damn hurt if he attacked them (considering she'd take the damage x 200). She can fly for what, five seconds?

Superman, you bitch at people for not seeing "how obvious Oda has made it" that Zoro is weaker than Luffy. Well I'll tell you what, ask pretty much anyone and they'll say it's much more obvious that Robin < Sanji and Zoro than that Zoro < Luffy.
 

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^ Is so right. Robin can take out easy opponents who don't have the ability to react fast enough. She can also get hurt through her Hana Hanas so even with 200 of them (which is the maximum), against a strong enough opponent she'd get pretty damn hurt if he attacked them (considering she'd take the damage x 200). She can fly for what, five seconds?
Just curious: where was it stated that she can only produce 200 Hanas? I know that Oda in a SBS edition said that she can produce body parts up to 200 Hanas away from her location, but I did not think that any other limitations had been set on her ability.

Also, Robin does say 5 seconds, but it could be that she had a little less time limit because she also had to hold Franky. If she wasn't carrying him, perhaps she could support herself in the air for a little longer. Plus, although she could probably only fly for a certain period, perhaps she could still glide for longer.
 

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She can fly for what, five seconds?

Superman, you bitch at people for not seeing "how obvious Oda has made it" that Zoro is weaker than Luffy. Well I'll tell you what, ask pretty much anyone and they'll say it's much more obvious that Robin < Sanji and Zoro than that Zoro < Luffy.
Yeah Sanji couldnt get out of her grasp.
The Zoro Zombie on TB even had problems with it and he is absolutely stronger than Zoro.
So i wonder.
I dont mean who has more muscles, i mean who would win in a fight.
She cant break Luffy because he is Rubber but she is a serious opponent like Zoro, without gear 2, 3 or both together.

However.
I didnt mean that she can fly/gliding (your right 5 seconds are pretty lame:D)i mean that she can let things fly.
For example humans and other stuff.
Look at the first meeting on Marry in Wiskey Peak.
She let Usopp and Sanji fly away and then she let Luffys strawhat and the Logport fly.
Why she dont use it again? I have no clue maybe Oda forgot it by himself or she just seems too strong with that.
The most people forget what potential she has.
What i am explaining here was in the anime, but it comes from Oda.
Dunno if these abillitys of Robin were shown in the manga.

And if so many people wanna see Zorro win seriously over Luffy, they better draw their own One Piece, because in Odachis this case will never happen, just alone because these bakas are nakama. Buzz destroyed. Pretty cocky heh.:D:p

Anyway.
Organized sounds like you are on my side with Luffy vs. Zoro stuff right?
Ill stop bitching but only because of you.:XD;):grin


God you still don't get it.

Theres a reason why the Luffy Zoro and Sanji are called teh Monster Trio, and theres a reason why Robin isn't in it.

*rolls eyes*
Real nice comment i have to give you that.;)
However where is it stated.

I really have to think well here, because i just enjoying the manga because it is the best ever but im not annalyzeing everything.
Have no time for that.:D
But really good comment if they really are called like that.;):grin:amuse
But she will make sanji down anyways if he wouldnt cook so well.:XD
She just has the upper hand.
 
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Re: Rank the Strawhats!

1) No he didn't actually win. Or else Luffy'd be dead.

2) It was filler.

3) Did Luffy fight to his full strength? Gear 2nd or 3rd?

Ya kno Usopp also beat up Luffy pretty bad.. doesnt really mean Ussopp is stronger then Luffy or even close to his level.
luffy didnt die coz zoro regained his memmory when sanji kicked that octopus :)

just saying luffy and zoro are equal in power

but when its luffy vs zoro, zoro wins due hes swordmaster

but luffy has often the ability to take down the strongest ones due his DF (like lucci / enel)

and zoro beat up guys who luffy cant beat (like mr 1 for sample)
 

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Re: Rank the Strawhats!

1) No he didn't actually win. Or else Luffy'd be dead.

2) It was filler.

3) Did Luffy fight to his full strength? Gear 2nd or 3rd?

Ya kno Usopp also beat up Luffy pretty bad.. doesnt really mean Ussopp is stronger then Luffy or even close to his level.
Usopp was destroyed by Luffy. While he played his hand as best he could, he was utterly incapable of inflicting more than superficial damage to Luffy. His best attack, the impact dial, broke his own arm...and then Luffy 1 shot him.

Mind you, Ussop's performance was enhanced by 1) his knowledge of Luffy's fighting style, and B) Luffy's reluctance (despite his words) to truly obliterate Ussop.


God you guys still dont get it.
Do you live behind the moon or what wrong with the most of you.
Because so many people are always complaining that Luffy is the captain and Zoro is stronger than him Oda took a clear line.
Gear 2 and Gear 3.
I dont know if anybody ever heard about those two gears, but like it seams that the most never saw them in action because then you now the truth.
Mister eiichiro oda made it that the people see who is the boss.
Man! He cant make clearer that Luffy is without question the far strongest.

You annalize wayyyyyyyy to much, way to much.
If Zoro would this if Luffy would that.
Stop.
If a fight will happen between those two Luffy stamp Zoro into the ground with ease.
He can even use both gears together. My god Oda made it even more clearer i forgot he used both.
What in the fucking world make you doubt mister Luffy will not win against mister Bushido.
That is so unlogical like a car without tires or a plane without wings.

However.

1. Luffy
2.Zoro/Robin. I dont underestimate Zoro but i tell you dont underestimate Robin either. She is smart has a 100% deadly abillity with which she can let things fly and of course make limbs ears eyes.
If James Bond would be a woman named Robin Bond (shitty name :XD) she would be it.
3.Sanji
4.Franky/Brook
5.Nami, Usopp, Chopper
I too am of the opinion that Luffy would win, but it's not nearly so obvious as you claim.

Zorro deflected Oz's punch with two swords, so he can handle gear third. Gear second is the real problem...but perhaps Asura can counter that?

We also have to consider that swordsmanship may well be the best counter to Luffy's skill set, as he is next to immune to blunt force.

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Now for my rankings...

(Assuming Luffy is the strongest, everyone else is judged by how the would preform in a 1 on 1 fight with him)

Luffy
Zorro
Sanji



Brooke
Franky

Robin

Nami
Ussop

Chopper
 
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Re: Rank the Strawhats!

Just curious: where was it stated that she can only produce 200 Hanas? I know that Oda in a SBS edition said that she can produce body parts up to 200 Hanas away from her location, but I did not think that any other limitations had been set on her ability.

Also, Robin does say 5 seconds, but it could be that she had a little less time limit because she also had to hold Franky. If she wasn't carrying him, perhaps she could support herself in the air for a little longer. Plus, although she could probably only fly for a certain period, perhaps she could still glide for longer.
Misinterpreted the part with the "Hana hanas", sorry about that. And I guess you're right about the flying part and she might be able to fly for a little longer, but to be honest, it doesn't make that much of a differense. I was just trying to get the message through that Robin is weaker that Zoro and Sanji.

Superman said:
Anyway.
Organized sounds like you are on my side with Luffy vs. Zoro stuff right?
Ill stop bitching but only because of you.
How does it sound that way? x) I started out by agreeing with paradoxe who said Luffy, Sanji & Zoro = monster trio, Robin = not monster trio. Not monster trio < Monster trio.
Also, I said pretty much anyone would say Robin is weaker than all three. Me included. By this I don't mean Sanji would beat her in a fight, but this du to his kishido style only.

@ANBU4U's ratings: Now THAT'S more like it! That's imo the most reasonable ratings I've seen in this thread yet. And that's the way it should be measured to, judging from a "vs. Luffy"-angle.

Oh and just one more thing..
Superman said:
The Zoro Zombie on TB even had problems with it and he is absolutely stronger than Zoro.
Say what?
 

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Re: Rank the Strawhats!

Basically making the above list more realistic.

strength
-luffy
-zoro
-sanji
-chopper (rumble ball overdose/monster point)
-franky
-robin
-brooke
-chopper (rumble ball formations)
-chopper (base formations)
-nami
-usopp

In terms of strength, we saw Sanji kick Odz away, his landing was great but he pretty much managed one of the biggest feats against Odz. We all know of Zoro and Luffy's strength. I'll be the first to say that Zoro is physically stronger than Zoro, but in terms of fighting ability, i rank them the same. Usopp is the weakest because Oda said so, while Nami's base strength doesn't match Choppers heavy point at all. I reckon Brook can inflict more damage than Chopper and Franky is the strongest of the mid-tier fighters.

intelligence/smarts
-robin
-chopper
-sanji
-franky
-nami
-usopp
-brooke
-zoro
-luffy

Robin is a human font of knowledge, i questioned whether that constitutes as intelligence or not, but i'll give it to her. The same goes for Chopper. Sanji and Franky have been shown as the best at assimilating their abilities into battle along with Nami who does so through her weapon. We know that Zoro and Luffy are dumb and we just don't know enough about Brooke.

adventurousness
-luffy
-sanji
-brooke
-franky
-nami
-usopp
-chopper
-robin
-zoro

Well it goes without saying that Luffy is at the top of this list. I put Zoro so low because i don't think he would be adventuring if not for Luffy, i think he'd just be searching. Once Sanji shed his bonds, his inner adventurer was out. Brooke was a captain. Franky is like Sanji. Nami wants to explore the world for her maps, whether that includes adventuring or not, i dunno. Usopp is only there because of Luffy, he wanted to adventure but would've avoided all dangerous places without Luffy. Chopper would've never left Drum without Luffy and Robin isn't in the crew for adventuring, she's there for companionship.
 

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Re: Rank the Strawhats!

intelligence/smarts
-robin
-chopper
-sanji
-franky
-nami
-usopp
-brooke
-zoro
-luffy

I'm not against you, but it's kinda funny you put chopper as second. have a look at these. you might want to change ur mind :p




 

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Re: Rank the Strawhats!

I'm not against you, but it's kinda funny you put chopper as second. have a look at these. you might want to change ur mind :p




Oh don't get me wrong, he's gullible as f-word but he's smart when he's focused on a task.

meh, you're right, relegate him to the realms of zoro and luffy :D
 

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Re: Rank the Strawhats!

I'm far too lazy to read all posts, so I will just post on topic :P

strength
-luffy / zoro
-sanji
-franky
-chopper
-brooke / chopper
-robin
-usopp
-nami

If we let them fight 1vs1.. I guess that would be the outcome. Well about Luffy/Zorro and Chopper/Brook am not sure about, so I let them in tie.

intelligence
-robin
-sanji/nami
-chopper
-franky/usopp
-brooke
-zoro
-luffy

Their intelligence if its asked or if they are serious.

stupidity (Oda jokes xD)
-luffy
-ussope -brook - chopper
-zorro
-sanji
-nami
-robin (=0%)

The list is based on the daily life of ths SHs.


adventurousness
-luffy
-robin
-sanji - zoro -franky
-brooke
-nami
-chopper
-usopp

Well everyone is out there, 'coz of their purposes. So this list is also based on their daily life.


regards
 

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@ANBU4U's ratings: Now THAT'S more like it! That's imo the most reasonable ratings I've seen in this thread yet. And that's the way it should be measured to, judging from a "vs. Luffy"-angle.
T.T

Yu don't agree wtih my rankings? :(

How can Chopper be weaker then Nami or Usopp -.-

Anyways..

Real nice comment i have to give you that.
However where is it stated.

I really have to think well here, because i just enjoying the manga because it is the best ever but im not annalyzeing everything.
Have no time for that.
But really good comment if they really are called like that.
But she will make sanji down anyways if he wouldnt cook so well.
She just has the upper hand.
Do yu know the weakness of her fruit?

We shall assume that she fights with her arms, using the hana hana fruit. Considering the maximum number of hana hanas is 200, this would mean that she is 200x stronger then the average marine. Since an average marine is 10 douriki, and Sanji beat an opponent with 2000+ douriki, we can assume that he is at least 200x stronger then the average marine.

Thats my first point.

My second point is that Sanji has many special attacks which don't relate to physical strength (which is the only thing measured by douriki). For example, Sanji's agility isn't measured by douriki nor his special moves (like Diamble Jambe). By contrast, Robin's only attacks are physical. Shes weak in terms of fortitude compared with Sanji, i.e. she can take less hits before going down, and shes slower and can't dodge as well as him.

My third point is the weakness of her fruit. Its been stated in the manga that
If Robin's replicated body parts are damaged in some way, the damage appears on her actual body.
This means that if shes scratched on her artificial arm, the same scratch would appear on the corresponding arm on her real body. This is a major weakness, because it is amplified along with the number of body parts she decides to replicate. If a cut appears on 6 of her arms, then 6 cuts will appear on her real arm. Since she is so weak in terms of fortitude and stamina, I doubt she can take many hits. This is why she has fought so few (strong) opponents, since she has to becareful because it is very easy for her to be crippled or even killed.
 
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Re: Rank the Strawhats!

I didn't even see your rankings, I was referring to Superman's which I indeed saw and didn't like. And wait, why are you talking like I was the one saying Robin was stronger? I was on your side all along. :p

Also, for your last point.. I know and agree and that's why I said like I said on the page before this one:
me on the page before said:
She can also get hurt through her Hana Hanas so even with 200 of them (which is the maximum), against a strong enough opponent she'd get pretty damn hurt if he attacked them (considering she'd take the damage x 200).
Shouldn't it be she's about 100 times stronger than the average marine though (since they have two arms and two legs) and she has 202 arms/legs if she wants. 200/2=100. just pointing out. ^^

So yeah, I was always against Sanji being weaker and I don't see why people keep misunderstanding me. ><
 

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We shall assume that she fights with her arms, using the hana hana fruit. Considering the maximum number of hana hanas is 200, this would mean that she is 200x stronger then the average marine. Since an average marine is 10 douriki, and Sanji beat an opponent with 2000+ douriki, we can assume that he is at least 200x stronger then the average marine.
Just to clear this up before it goes any further, we don't know how many Hanas Robin can produce. The only limit that has been placed on her ability is that she can produce Hanas up to a distance of 200 Hanas away from herself. It was stated in the SBS for Chapter 257 (you can see it here). Within her range of 200 Hanas, she could potentially produce an infinite amount of body parts (or at least as many that would fit into the 200 Hana radius limit, which would definitely be more than 200 Hanas).

Thus, Robin can produce more than 200 Hanas.

Even so, I would be inclined to agree that Robin is probably physically weaker than Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, and Franky (if she was fighting fair). (Fighting unfairly, she could do something like what she did in her attempts to get Franky to join the crew, but these types of underhanded moves would hopefully not be used.) If she used an extremely large number of limbs, then she could potentially exhibit huge amounts of strength, but I doubt that she ever would, because it would also leave her very vulnerable to attack.

Thus, I think that Robin is capable of greater feats of physical strength than Sanji, but she would never be able to successfully use them in combat situations .
 
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