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[Zasz]

Zasz am I smelling a certain hint from you?

And please don't let niichan manipulate you like that, you're better than that. He is so obviously a mafia, just look at whats happening the more he and Vand are pressured Don't feel bad about lynching mafias.

A townie has the note, at least that's what my gut is telling me.
Anyway, Killing nii?
Urgh, I don't know really know about being manipulated; it's just that, aren't we jumping the gun here?
DiMaria and desin might get hostkilled the next Day Phase and both of them could be Townies.
What if niichan is too? We might lose three allies in one fell swoop...
Sure, what Vandred said, could be a ruse, but if it's not?
But if you're that sure, then I won't oppose everyone's decision of course.

 

[GrySun]

Or lynching him tomorrow in case that doesn't happen. Which should provide some useful info on its own based on how he survives today. I'm saying right now that I'd votelock him right away tomorrow, whether he claims he was holding the Note or not. Who would even believe him, at that point...?

Another problem which was the same in the Daws scenario, you can't use mafias as a meatshield vs other mafias. They see how niichan is in the spotlights, he may get the Daws treatment until we use our lynch on him.

I must say @niichan with Vand protecting you like this I'm getting more and more certain your death is the right thing here.

 

[gnut]

Yeah, either niichan is the boss or he has the note(2nd one is less likely if I understood a certain someone's hint). They are baiting for sure. #JusticeForDemon.

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You mean this? Sry was still backreading.



Lovers would be an interesting adition in this game, mostly because of balance. If there's 1 mafia there is a lover for sure, in 2 mafia groups 1 mafia would need to have much stronger roles or more members to be balanced with a Lover in it.

As for other 3rd parties, I really don't know. But having the death note could maybe give them 2 kills at the same time, since SK is special and different from a mafia group and different from a single townie. There's also the question of whether there are multiple Notes, if so(and they are related to the colored text) this could turn into a mess if a 3rd party gets it.

Iirc....it says there is one true note?

 

[GrySun]

I dont trust asia either....its like im the only one she wants to know their role...but im like the one who gave the most hints.xD

lol I don't trust almost anyone I trust you, I trust Lambu. I also trust Belserion since she practically killed Spriggan. Everyone else is a mystery for now. I've seen @MarmaladeSky lurk here a lot. Asia has been doing similar to her other games, not sure if that's good or not. xnut voted me weirdly, but that was maybe just day 1. Elusia, Gryffindor, zimb, those are all newbies who could be mafias too. Spirit, desin, Empty are a bit shady. I think I trust Zasz but niichan has him around his finger lol.
I may also trust zimb, his act about not having a clue about the system was pretty authentic. Either he's godly at this or he really had no mafia to give him instructions and tips during the night.

 

[gnut]

A townie has the note, at least that's what my gut is telling me.
Anyway, Killing nii?
Urgh, I don't know really know about being manipulated; it's just that, aren't we jumping the gun here?
DiMaria and desin might get hostkilled the next Day Phase and both of them could be Townies.
What if niichan is too? We might lose three allies in one fell swoop...
Sure, what Vandred said, could be a ruse, but if it's not?
But if you're that sure, then I won't oppose everyone's decision of course.

We cant worry about hostkills....besides niichan....who you got?
You dont need to convince me....my mind is made up.
Van-kun.....got my eye on you

 

[GrySun]

A townie has the note, at least that's what my gut is telling me.
Anyway, Killing nii?
Urgh, I don't know really know about being manipulated; it's just that, aren't we jumping the gun here?
DiMaria and desin might get hostkilled the next Day Phase and both of them could be Townies.
What if niichan is too? We might lose three allies in one fell swoop...
Sure, what Vandred said, could be a ruse, but if it's not?
But if you're that sure, then I won't oppose everyone's decision of course.

niichan is not a townie Zasz. He cannot be, he knew Spriggan was mafia before he got lynched. His answers were general-defense stuff and ignoring many parts until I mentioned them to him again. He has Vandred protecting him, trying to keep him for a night to potentially waste our det investigations. Zasz they are lying. It has to be so.

Sadly we can't do anything about DiMaria and desin. We can tag @desin24 telling him to PLEASE not let himself get hostkilled, but DiMaria hasn't logged in in a while so the hope is lost with him.

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Iirc....it says there is one true note?

Then there are "not-true" notes? Then having powered up 3rd parties could even be a thing lol, that's bad.

 

[Zasz]

niichan is not a townie Zasz. He cannot be, he knew Spriggan was mafia before he got lynched. His answers were general-defense stuff and ignoring many parts until I mentioned them to him again. He has Vandred protecting him, trying to keep him for a night to potentially waste our det investigations. Zasz they are lying. It has to be so.

Sadly we can't do anything about DiMaria and desin. We can tag @desin24 telling him to PLEASE not let himself get hostkilled, but DiMaria hasn't logged in in a while so the hope is lost with him.

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Then I'm fine with your decision.
Better be safe than sorry I guess.

Then there are "not-true" notes? Then having powered up 3rd parties could even be a thing lol, that's bad.

We cant worry about hostkills....besides niichan....who you got?
You dont need to convince me....my mind is made up.
Van-kun.....got my eye on you

Eh, actually I haven't got anyone else, that's true.

 

[EmptySoul]

Not much of a reason tbh,Dunno most of the people playing here so for this 1st round i was just going with my gut and chose Erinyes

@niichan thats about it,she just gave me that vibe i guess,dunno whats so hard to understand about that

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I agree with @Elusia being suspicious,she has been awfully quiet despite seeming pretty hype for the game in the sign up thread iirc,perhaps she was told to lay low by her fellow mafia?

 

[xnut]

I voted you because I thought you were gonna start some note goose chase with what you said yesterday about the investigators being able to tell. But Votekill niichan, this is hilarious considering the two people who picked at my "slip up" slipping mighty bad hehe

 

[Zasz]

niichan is not a townie Zasz. He cannot be, he knew Spriggan was mafia before he got lynched. His answers were general-defense stuff and ignoring many parts until I mentioned them to him again. He has Vandred protecting him, trying to keep him for a night to potentially waste our det investigations. Zasz they are lying. It has to be so.

Sadly we can't do anything about DiMaria and desin. We can tag @desin24 telling him to PLEASE not let himself get hostkilled, but DiMaria hasn't logged in in a while so the hope is lost with him.

Urgh, I've incorporated my text into your own when I quoted you. XD
Anyway, I'm fine with your decision.
Better be safe than sorry I guess.

 

[GrySun]

If a townie really has a Death note, he should use it either on Vandred if niichan shows as mafia boss(I still can't believe he took that risky gamble ), or someone else like Empty or some of the lurkers. The only difference is, if niichan shows as boss we will certainly lynch Vandred unless he has a perfect defense, so he can either be killed via a Note so we can look into other players to lynch them, or kill someone else with the Note while we lynch Vand.

Though I think it's better to outright kill Vand with the Note, so we don't focus on him a lot next day and properly ask everyone for hints and maybe even role reveals.

I am being extremely forward and in the centre here, niichan/Vand's mafia buddies will kill me for sure tonight. But I don't mind as long as you guys can carry on.

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@niichan thats about it,she just gave me that vibe i guess,dunno whats so hard to understand about that

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I agree with @Elusia being suspicious,she has been awfully quiet despite seeming pretty hype for the game in the sign up thread iirc,perhaps she was told to lay low by her fellow mafia?

Yeah she was rather hype in the thread, you're right Maybe something came up and she's busy, or she's one of the mafias on the newbie team? Definitely someone for us to question thoroughly next day.

 

[gnut]

@niichan thats about it,she just gave me that vibe i guess,dunno whats so hard to understand about that

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I agree with @Elusia being suspicious,she has been awfully quiet despite seeming pretty hype for the game in the sign up thread iirc,perhaps she was told to lay low by her fellow mafia?

Can i ask you a question....

Seeing as you seem to be relatively safe from harm at this very moment, you’ll have time to convince me I guess. Guess you have Spriggan to thank for that.

I’m gonna watch Stranger Things with my wife and then go to bed. Will check in on the result but probably (!) not post more tonight (ie this Phase). Bai.

Why did you like this?

 

[Nii]

Another problem which was the same in the Daws scenario, you can't use mafias as a meatshield vs other mafias. They see how niichan is in the spotlights, he may get the Daws treatment until we use our lynch on him.

I must say @niichan with Vand protecting you like this I'm getting more and more certain your death is the right thing here.

Weren't you certain even before him defending me? I think anyone could be defending me and you would be suspicious of him/her x'D Same for greg, who was on me since my first post on the first day

I still don't get why you are on my case that badly tbh, but what's done is done.

 

[GrySun]

Urgh, I've incorporated my text into your own when I quoted you. XD
Anyway, I'm fine with your decision.
Better be safe than sorry I guess.

Yeah I noticed, but I read it, it's okay Exactly, our main priority is making sure our lynches hit mafias. Our Note kills must hit mafias too. As long as all town deaths only come from mafia kills and not from townie hands we can win this easily, despite possible hostkills.

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I voted you because I thought you were gonna start some note goose chase with what you said yesterday about the investigators being able to tell. But Votekill niichan, this is hilarious considering the two people who picked at my "slip up" slipping mighty bad hehe

I literally missed the rule where it said that so I was surprised when you told me last day. You can see that in my second/third post in the game where I analyzed the Note rules I didn't mention it at all. But I can see why you'd think I'm suspect there.

 

[Elusia]

Good morning guys

Sorry I wasn't able to be active in these times. I need some good sleep cause I feel a little sick xD
But I'll try my outmost best.

Updated recap, as usual if i missed any hint, just let me know ill fix it Asap

Summary

Arjuna as Furfur ->
Belserion as Virgilia ->
Demonspeed as Kanon -> Doctor, Killed on N1
desin24 as Cornelia -> never had the role before which includes bulletproof, plain townie, mafia detective, hider, doctor, mafia escort
DiMaria Yesta as Gertrude ->
Elusia as Gaap ->
Emperor Spriggan as Dlanor -> Mafia det, lynched on D1
EmptySoul as Eva -> Said she's not mafia, she thinks its pretty lame but could be beneficial at some point.
Erinyes as Erika -> fits her somehow
gnut as Krauss -> Old role, had it before
Gryffindor as Maria ->
GrySun as George -> Not that useful and may end up be killed due to his role
Kato756 as Zepar -> Seems disppointed by his role, said the role itself that made him go WHY ??
Lady pompom as Ange -> doesnt llike her role. active role. interesting role, but she s afraid not to use it properly.
Lambu as Rosa ->
MarmaladeSky as Jessica ->
MonkeyD-Dragon as Natsuhi -> not a really helpful role as it works only in specific conditions against specific roles
niichan as Battler -> a pretty plain role
Organizized as Rudolf -> Detective killed on N1
syx as Beatrice -> Said he's not mafia
Vandred as Kyrie ->a role that works similarly to (Insane) Doctor but less useful
WithYouInSpirit as Lion -> claimed a passive role
Xnut as Kinzo ->
Zasz as Shannon ->very first time he gets this role. an active role
zimbardo as Hideyoshi ->

Ill try to do update it if necessary before the end of the day

I can add mine now if that's possible. I don't know much about this role but I heard it's pretty important.

 

[Lambu]

Reading all this... its getting hot here!

Since I feel motivated I made some research on the first day and did a summary ("a la Erin") about directions and voting in D1, Im already working on D2. I'll post it soon.

I actually agree with niichan that focusing solely on him gives an easier way to the hidden mafias to stay in the shadows if in the end he's not mafia.
Still, niichan, you are the highest suspect even if, after research, I think gnut tried harder in saving Spriggan than you. Empty is shady but I find proving your allegiance more productive than proving hers right now.
Kind of, if you are mafia we would have further leads, Empty is at the moment not much more shady than xnut or the group of "yes man" I've been watching.

So Votekill niichan for now.

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By the way @Erinyes I gave info about my role already: active, not useful right now

 

[GrySun]

Weren't you certain even before him defending me? I think anyone could be defending me and you would be suspicious of him/her x'D Same for greg, who was on me since my first post on the first day

I still don't get why you are on my case that badly tbh, but what's done is done.

It's not about him defending you, others like Zasz/Bel took your side too. But it's in the way he defended you, presenting you as a mafia we should keep alive and mentioning several times that we can use our investigative roles on you seems like the most obvious bait attempt of the century. And nobody but a mafia friend would go to such lengths for you here.

Told you before, I started to trust myself a lot more this game. Especially if I feel like I have a good case. I am sorry, although I probably shouldn't be. You killed Demon didn't you? Depriving him of playing the game makes you deserve dying afterwards too. Wish you at least had fun in your time, but I can't ignore your slipup and you must die today. I barely know you, so don't hold it negatively against me please. Just trying to lynch mafias and putting in effort. Town hasn't won a game in a long ass time, because of mistakes I am keen on not repeating.

 

[gnut]

Weren't you certain even before him defending me? I think anyone could be defending me and you would be suspicious of him/her x'D Same for greg, who was on me since my first post on the first day

I still don't get why you are on my case that badly tbh, but what's done is done.

Just die naruto-niichan

 

[EmptySoul]

Can i ask you a question....

Why did you like this?

Why is that even relevant

 

[Zasz]

Yeah I noticed, but I read it, it's okay Exactly, our main priority is making sure our lynches hit mafias. Our Note kills must hit mafias too. As long as all town deaths only come from mafia kills and not from townie hands we can win this easily, despite possible hostkills.

Eh, at this point I suppose I should change my vote.

Votekill niichan

@Elusia: Hope you'll get better, but try to give us an hint at least.