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[Vandred]

I'm not saying it because you're here, alive, not killed at night, while you still accuse me of breaking the contract. Ofc I would only talk about the Day phases, since that's the only thing you can be mad about.

That's called trying to weasel out of it

You guys killed Demon, Orgz or even both. And whatever else you killed at night. Who is truly heartless here? Letting niichan live after he made such a big mistake would be dishonorable for this whole game, I don't want him to think he can do whatever he wants and still gets away with it. Important life lessons and all.

Your first time as mafia really got to your head

Vand wtf are you even saying How is my death imminent. If I really got poisoned then shit, but townies will find your last members without me.

Of course they will. Town always plays so well, after all.

 

[z.5]

It may be unlikely but he's alive, so someone either blocked his killer or protected him. And I heavily doubt that only 1 Note is true. Why? Note D has Demonspeed and Vandred written in it. Note O has Orgz and Empty written in it.

Well I can vouch for D - as I was the one who wrote Vandred and it already had Demonspeed in it.
Demon didn't die, so either the note works half the time or it can be blocked like any normal kill. I am leaning towards the 2nd option.

I'll trust that the 2nd note GrySun has exists - and it killed both it's targets - I also think it odd for GrySun to include both these notes information at the same time, if he was planning on making a note up.

Asia's Note W has Spirit and Kato written in it. In all 3 of the Notes one or more of the written people died, the same night they were written in

I'm hesitant about the existence of this note (as 3 notes + 1 or 2 Mafias would lead to a lot of killing, even without 3rd roles) and suggest that if Vandred issn't Mafia then people watch Asia pretty damn carefully.

 

[Purity of Magi]

END OF THE DAY PHASE
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Spoiler: Votes Day 3

Spoiler: Vote Count! 13/18

How would a detective be confirmed by empty?


Oh yeah....:votekill vandred.

Votekill Vandred

I just don't see how he can legitimately blow off these suspicious people. To me it just seems like he's trying to shove off threats to him. Also, I don't see how Zimb hinted at Prostitute in any way. He said that he felt his role required a lot of experience to be used well. That is true for just about any role. I personally just don't trust Bel at this point due to her odd behaviour.

Just a note I want to make, if we go by things, then Note D was probably the one with the townies and Note O was the one with the Mafia. So if a townie targeted Vandred, then it could just be because they found out Vandred is a mafia and targeted him, but the Note holder was blocked which probably saved Vandred from dying tonight. Add to that how he wanted Niichan to be investigated by Dets when it was an obvious slip-up. Niichan would've been given the result of innocent because he's the mafia boss and by this, he saves Niichan. Also looking back at it, in Day 2 both he and Erin(who is confirmed mafia) were the only ones to vote for xnut. This all leads me to believe Vand is mafia.

!votekill Vandred

Seeing as there are only 8 hours left and I dunno how busy I will be later on (probably very), I'm gonna put a prospective vote out now.

Votekill Vandred

Although I think his reasons weren't as inexplicable as GrySun, gnut, or others may feel they were - in light of niichan's position and the fact that detectives wouldn't have worked on him, I think it's pretty convenient for him to not have known about niichan's role.

I am still a bit hesitant, however. This is purely down to the note revelation.

This is solely because as his name was written in the note and he didn't die, it also could suggest his role as Bulletproof Townie. Unless he is a Mason/somehow found a way to convince someone to protect him. Maybe a doctor wasn't convinced by GrySun et al.?
I couldn't see any Mafia-specific invincible roles, like bulletproof, or saving roles, like doctor, in the list.

Either that or someone blocked the player with the note - through sheer coincidence; as they would have had to know that the attacker had a note, was targeting Vandred, and they were on Vandred's side, for it to be planned...

I will go to sleep soon so

Vote Kill Vandred

Your defence of niichan is suspicious enough

Wait what, saying whether it wasn't passive or active wasn't enough earlier. and I've said just bout as much as anyone else has I thought it was pretty given I didn't literally spell it out o you

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Who am I kidding, it's votekill vandred anyway

Woops, I ended up falling alseep. I guess I'm really tired (currently 2 am and I'm gonna sleep after this) xD

Anyways, votekill Vandred
I really can't be patient now since that I haven't been convinced much by his posts....

Gosh, my head is spinning like hell... too much info...

Isn't it possible for someone to host a MG for beginners?

!votekill Vandred

I won't be able to sleep well without knowing the true color of Van.

First of all, Votekill Vandred.
To fix a previous mistake I made.

Also, for anyone interested:

Title

xnut- claims active role. Says it's similar to his role on his previousgame.
Belserion –active role, it will be better when she overcome a “crisis” (?)
Lambu- Says their role is active and has appeared in one of the games they have played, but isn't useful at the moment
MarmaladeSky- passive, isn’t unhappy about it.
Zimbardo- It'd be silly to say I've never had it before, as I have never played this game with you guys before, but I have never played a Mafia game with this class before (though that could be said for 90% of the classes here).
Also, this role is designed for someone who has great experience in this game, I feel.
I really need to be able to predict what classes people have, to be useful. <- so any hints on how to read different classes would be nice [am looking at you GrySun; as you are one of the few people I may have a mild clue to], I mean outside of the hints people give...
Elusia - I'm really neutral about my role. I don't hate it but I don't like it either. So I'll just roll with it.
Gnut- Says he has 'old role which he hadn't had before', but not Mafia
Gry- States he is likely being memed by hosts with this role and will likely kill himself with it sooner or later. Says he holds two notes atm.
WYIS – I might as well elaborate on my role a little. It's passive in the sense that I don't actively target other players. Can affect the others permanently under the right circumstances.
Emptysoul- townie
Vandread - Says their role is similar to the insane doctor, but a lot less useful
Desin24- says their role is a new one to them – not bulletproof, plain townie, Mafia detective, hider, doctor or Mafia escort
Arjuna –claims bulletproof.
Gryffindor – says his role is useless at the moment.

@Vandred are you implying your role is naive?

I trust Lambu for now. As for the hints people gave, I think there is a bar keeper, a witch (cause it's a witches game, mys sister insisted there should be one), and at least two or more other blocking roles due to the number of death notes, and for the same reason (the 2 DNs)I suppose there's only one big mafia since two mafias would iply too many deaths at once. I believe Gry for now, his revelation about holding two notes and the fact that Vandred didn't die makes a lot of sense if I take into consideraction my latest actions, but still not sure whether Gry is or not a simple townie. I'd like we all pondered more about this before the night comes.

By the way, I have privileged information about Vand's not dying and I think it's related to my mistake (no, I'm not a doc neither a mafia buddy). I'm also not sure if I made a mistake or not on D1 too (sorry if I did @zimbardo ). Also, I need to tell you all that there's more than two death notes, cause when this day phase started I also received a death note. (yes, that's why we ave lots of blocking roles! I wouldn't doubt that there is a fourth DN, if it's possible)

Since Gry called D and O, mine would be W, cause the names written on it are:
1.WithYouInSpirit
2-Kato756

WYIS was protected by someone or the person who wrote the name was blocked. And Kato died last night probably due to the death note (or someone else targeted him if the Dn was blocked, which is unlikely). I believe who killed him was mafia (or a townied that found his playsttyle suspect, but 'm pending to the mafia option), and I'm also not sure why someone would entrust the DN to me, but I'd like we decided the target to the kill instead of focusing solely on Vand too.

Votekill Vandred - Reasons aren't exactly concrete reasons. Again, I do not care about the "he defended niichan" argument. I simply feel something is off, I do not feel like I can trust that he is a townie at this point. Especially when he mentioned "If anything, I keep overestimating townies" - It feels like he is implying he isn't a townie himself by the way.
Yes, I do have my eyes on some people who are quite active in convincing others, as Vandred stating a "convincing mafia member." taking the lead. I am keeping my eyes closely on them, but they haven't given me enough reason to vote for them just yet. Perhaps that reason will never come. The fact that they exist don't make Vandred less suspicous (It's not like there is only 1 mafia member in the game after all). But isn't that part of the game?

WHAT THE FLYING FUCK?? That doesn't even make sense

Votekill Vandred, holy shit, Im sorry for not trusting you fully before Gry. I feel like I lost a lot of time watching you.

I wanted to talk about the Death Note mechanic a little more but Im busy right now, I'll give my thoughts on it tomorrow, if I live

And you messed up most of all. I do respect my contracts, you know. Unlike someone else here...



Come on, don't try to make me pass for such a classless person. Of course I wouldn't reuse my tricks.



Don't worry, you'll be there to keep us company soon enough


As for my vote, I guess I should votekill Lady pompom. I am supposed to be your rival, after all

votelock Vandred

It's always surprising when mafia just give up.

That being said we still got 3 presumable Townie kills this night and gathering the suspects should be our priority for the rest of the time.

I will add about my role that it is active but not very important

I might as well lock it now that Vand gave up

!votelock Vandred

Votekill xnut for reasons I mentioned before. Basically his antics on day 1.

12x Vandred (Gnut, WYIS, Monkey D. Dragoon, Zimbabwe, Arjuna(chan), xxxnut, Elusia, Syx, Lady Pom Pom, Memelade sky,Lambu,Desin25)

1x Lady Pom Pom (Vandred)

1x Xnut (Belserion)

*The Seven Stakes of Purgatory made their appearance in front of Ushiromiya Kyrie.*

I am extremely sorry to say this but in the end *Kyrie grabbed her gun out of her pocket*
I must refuse this nice offer that you give me. It's quite pathetic to have a 1vs6 but that proofs again how big of a deal I am.

However since you say that hiding would be no option and fighting back would be useless...
I would rather decide that on my own! I am not scared of you at all. I will shoot all of you one for one, bit by bit, before you can even attack me.

Spoiler

Mafia Boss

NIGHT PHASE HAS STARTED​

 

[Copy Panda]

Vandred
Mafia Boss

Obvious NOTE (get it?) that this is a different shade of red.

New lore will be added later tonight! New information will be updated everywhere, soon! ​

 

[Purity of Magi]

@EmptySoul

From now on you can use this avatar.

THE REVIVAL OF (Jesus) EVA USHIROMIYA.

The black witch has made it's appearance! Now all of you worthless pieces, praise me!

Before she became a witch..... *goes back in time xd*

Back to the present convo of Eva and Beatrice...

It's time for me to hunt once more, hahahaha!

Now what happened during the night.

However... George managed to block that attack which made the Siesta look in shock!

Spoiler

Mafia Detective

DAY PHASE HAS STARTED.​

 

[Copy Panda]

If you are interested in the comic post(s), see the post above.

GrySun
Mafia Detective

Dead!

EmptySoul
Jesus

De- Wait... Respawned​

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

I didn't expect this, Gry being mafia....he was the only one I really trusted here, but if he's a mafia then I don't know what to say....everyone is suspicious right now..but I'll try my best to find the mafia and get rid of them.

 

[Arjuna]

Holy shit

Gry Mafia

And Empty soul came back

Welcome back @EmptySoul

 

[Marmalade]

Gry basically outed himself by the end of day 3.
I was actually wanted to go for him today buuuuut someone else got to him first. Nice work!


Welcome back Empty

 

[gnut]

3 mafia confirmed..

Votekill spirit...
Should just lock....thats how sure i am on this.

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

Vandred
Mafia Boss

Obvious NOTE (get it?) that this is a different shade of red.

New lore will be added later tonight! New information will be updated everywhere, soon!

GrySun
Mafia Detective

Dead!

This is disturbing. Not only is Gry mafia, but seeing what Panda said and comparing the colors, this means that there are three mafia groups in our game :
1-Red : Nii,Erin and Spriggan
2-Dark Red : Vandred
3-Orange : Grysun

But the number of kills compared to the number of mafia isn't really consistent, it should be 3 at least each night. So if there is a prostitute role, we should get the targets from them.



@Belserion Why did you vote for xnut when Vandred admitted to being mafia ? Its a really newbie move if you are a mafia, since Vand was a dead man.

3 mafia confirmed..

Votekill spirit...
Should just lock....thats how sure i am on this.

Why so ? Throwing votes out here for the sake of it is really suspicious, and I already suspect you because of how you interacted with Gry before and how he said you are the only one he really trusts. Gnut, what are you ?

 

[Spirit]

3 Mafias what the hell? And Gry?? I feel used

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3 mafia confirmed..

Votekill spirit...
Should just lock....thats how sure i am on this.

Wtf? You were riding Gry's ass. This is bold if you're with his Mafia.

 

[gnut]

If im sure spirit is guilty...what you think i could be?

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

If im sure spirit is guilty...what you think i could be?

If Gry is mafia detective...

I mean we could give 2 to gnut. Hell even all 3 But yeah best to give 1 to each person we trust.

Whos gonna frame you for what? I trust you more than anyone this game, no way am I giving the Note to someone else. But if you really don't want it then idk, I will think about a replacement? But I think you should have it. At least to carry on my will if I really die tonight as Vandred predicts. Get em uncle

Then what are those ? You are really playing a det card now too when you didn't give us anything about it before ? I don't really understand that logic. You don't say anything about any others but you say it about Spirit now.

Did you confirm your sanity too ? Its better to discuss things than just immediately voting for people.

 

[Arjuna]

One thing this also raises.Gry said he had 2 notes. @Lady pompom on the on the other hand said she had 1 note.

So this mean Gry had originally 1 note and he probably lied about the third.

 

[gnut]

If Gry is mafia detective...



Then what are those ? You are really playing a det card now too when you didn't give us anything about it before ? I don't really understand that logic. You don't say anything about any others but you say it about Spirit now.

Did you confirm your sanity too ? Its better to discuss things than just immediately voting for people.

Yes my sanity is confirmed
Nite 1 - empty innocent
Nite 2 - vandred innocent
Nite 3 - spirit guilty

 

[Spirit]

Not sure where you're planning to go with a Det claim at this point in the game. If not Gry then maybe Vandreds Mafia. Sort of makes sense to me. You'd know about his failed attempt to kill me night 1. Which is also why my abilty is useless.

 

[gnut]

Not sure where you're planning to go with a Det claim at this point in the game. If not Gry then maybe Vandreds Mafia. Sort of makes sense to me. You'd know about his failed attempt to kill me night 1. Which is also why my abilty is useless.

You think if i was with gry...i'd associate with him the way i did.
Not to mention i helped kill 2 bosses

You know what...i dont need to convince you of all people of anything

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

Yes my sanity is confirmed
Nite 1 - empty innocent
Nite 2 - vandred innocent
Nite 3 - spirit guilty

I find it really convenient you investigated the same people who were killed. It really doesn't make much sense. Why would you investigate Empty when you votelocked me on Day 1 ? Or rather not investigate Niichan who made a huge slip up ? I don't believe you on this one. Not sure why you didn't mention the Vandred innocent result either during Day 3. The hole here is quite obvious.

 

[Spirit]

Yes my sanity is confirmed
Nite 1 - empty innocent
Nite 2 - vandred innocent
Nite 3 - spirit guilty

Nice try. But Vand tried cheap reverse psychology tricks this game too and look where that got him. The place you're going to be soon.