Mirajane is overestimated. She was in pair with Erza before Lisanna ''died'', she stayed 3 years without a fight and never fought Erza again. Kagura was able to make a good fight with Erza more recently than Mirajane showed.
Mirajane can easily outcome Kagura feats if she really fights with a strong opponent and be able to make a good fight, but the problem is she keeping fighting ''weaklings''.
Mirajane fight Lucy with help of Elfman and Lisanna is terrible. Mirajane ''should'' be fighting Erza.
She wouldn’t need it against Kagura. She used it against Juliet and Heine because it was two against one and she admits she underestimated them so she got serious. Mira knows Kagura’s power level so she’d fight appropriately. There’s no reason for her to use her trump against Kagura in the beginning.
Juliet and Heine have good feats lol. Fighting on par with Mira and having Mira admit that they’re strong is a good feat. One shotting Jet and Droy and other Fairytail members clearly show that they’re not weak. What are you talking about?
Why is it bad for Mira to struggle 2vs1 in a fight with powerful opponents? I don’t get it.
Also, Alegria has wings. Check the manga panel again, it looks like she’s using her wings to increase her speed whilst blitzing Juliet and Heine.
Macro obviously has a limit. It’s either the radius or the number of people that is the limit. That’s the only logical explanation as to why some fodder soldiers were one shotted and the others were perfectly fine. Macro would work fine in a one vs one against Kagura.
What you're saying doesn't make sense. Mirajane didn't >> SHOW << with her other forms speed to fight as equal with Kagura and even if she could do it, she would be defeated by Kagura's powerful cuts earlier than her explosions or punches could defeat Kagura.
Sayla never said that macro had quantitative limits. And Mirajane didn't even try to use the macro on Heyne and Juliet, I will not accept the Sayla's feats for Mirajane. Mirajane isn't Sayla, she isn't a truly etherious demon and she only was able to T.O Sayla's body because the last one was weakened.
Mirajane is overestimated. She was in pair with Erza before Lisanna ''died'', she stayed 3 years without a fight and never fought Erza again. Kagura was able to make a good fight with Erza more recently than Mirajane showed.
Mirajane can easily outcome Kagura feats if she really fights with a strong opponent and be able to make a good fight, but the problem is she keeping fighting ''weaklings''.
Mirajane fight Lucy with help of Elfman and Lisanna is terrible. Mirajane ''should'' be fighting Erza.
GMG isn’t recent. That happened years ago. If EoS Erza fought EoS Kagura again, Erza would win low/mid diff instead of high diff like GMG. The differences in skill and powers now speaks volumes. Erza has more feats than what Kagura has now and so does Mirajane. People just keeping downplaying Mira’s Alvarez feats which were actually impressive given the context.
I agree that Mira should’ve fought Erza instead but at least Lucy is scared to fight her. That shows she’s powerful. She didn’t take Virgo seriously and she tied her up. Then she tanked Lucy’s nuke on the whole area that Lucy hoped would take her out, that gives her a new durability feat.
Mirajane is overestimated. She was in pair with Erza before Lisanna ''died'', she stayed 3 years without a fight and never fought Erza again. Kagura was able to make a good fight with Erza more recently than Mirajane showed.
Mirajane can easily outcome Kagura feats if she really fights with a strong opponent and be able to make a good fight, but the problem is she keeping fighting ''weaklings''.
Mirajane fight Lucy with help of Elfman and Lisanna is terrible. Mirajane ''should'' be fighting Erza.
(I love Lucy anyway)
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What you're saying doesn't make sense. Mirajane didn't >> SHOW << with her other forms speed to fight as equal with Kagura and even if she could do it, she would be defeated by Kagura's powerful cuts earlier than her explosions or punchs could defeat Kagura.
Sayla never said that macro has quantitative limits. And Mirajane didn't even try to use the macro on Heyne and Juliet, I will not accept the Sayla's feats for Mirajane. Mirajane isn't Sayla, she isn't a truly etherious demon and she only was able to T.O Sayla's body because the last one was weakened.
Kagura’s powerful cuts? Show me in canon Kagura’s powerful cuts defeating someone powerful in the final arc. If Mira can tank a SDM nuke, she can tank Kagura’s “powerful” cuts that haven’t been shown to be powerful since GMG. Mira escaped an explosion at close range when she fought Azuma. BSS fought Freed’s Absolute Darkness in close range and they we’re both incredibly fast as they clashed. Sitri blitzed Jenny instantly. Etherious Seilah blitzed Sitri and Mira now has Seilah’s soul. Those are speed feats as well.
Mira beat an assassin Spriggan in h2h combat. She’s an excellent close range fighter. And her nuke would still not be easy for Kagura to overcome, it still gave bruises to Juliet and Heine and Mira wasn’t even trying when she threw that nuke. It was casual.
Why would Seilah need to say Macro has a limit if she was never in a position for the limit to be applied? Do you know how random that is? Seilah just randomly saying Macro is limited even though that’s irrelevant. You people think everything needs to be explained and never bother to use your brains. Seilah never used Macro on as many people as Mirajane-Seilah did. Ever. Seilah and Mirajane-Seilah are the exact same demon.
GMG isn’t recent. That happened years ago. If EoS Erza fought EoS Kagura again, Erza would win low/mid diff instead of high diff like GMG. The differences in skill and powers now speaks volumes. Erza has more feats than what Kagura has now and so does Mirajane. People just keeping downplaying Mira’s Alvarez feats which were actually impressive given the context.
I agree that Mira should’ve fought Erza instead but at least Lucy is scared to fight her. That shows she’s powerful. She didn’t take Virgo seriously and she tied her up. Then she tanked Lucy’s nuke on the whole area that Lucy hoped would take her out, that gives her a new durability feat.
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Kagura’s powerful cuts? Show me in canon Kagura’s powerful cuts defeating someone powerful in the final arc. If Mira can tank a SDM nuke, she can tank Kagura’s “powerful” cuts that haven’t been shown to be powerful since GMG. Mira escaped an explosion at close range when she fought Azuma. BSS fought Freed’s Absolute Darkness in close range and they we’re both incredibly fast as they clashed. Sitri blitzed Jenny instantly. Etherious Seilah blitzed Sitri and Mira now has Seilah’s soul. Those are speed feats as well.
Mira beat an assassin Spriggan in h2h combat. She’s an excellent close range fighter. And her nuke would still not be easy for Kagura to overcome, it still gave bruises to Juliet and Heine and Mira wasn’t even trying when she threw that nuke. It was casual.
Why would Seilah need to say Macro has a limit if she was never in a position for the limit to be applied? Do you know how random that is? Seilah just randomly saying Macro is limited even though that’s irrelevant. You people think everything needs to be explained and never bother to use your brains. Seilah never used Macro on as many people as Mirajane-Seilah did. Ever. Seilah and Mirajane-Seilah are the exact same demon.
It still powerfull or do you think that cutting easily a mini-mountain is nothing? Erza could win again Kagura easily because of her feats, but it would happen more easily if Erza fights with Mirajane. LOL
What is this SDM nuke that you are saying? From who? Mirajane didn't prove to take much damage and still be able to fight when Sayla blitzed her with two attacks she wasn't even able to change to a combat form again. ( https://mangabeast.com/manga/Fairy-Tail/0381-002.png)
Azuma is slower than Kagura and SS didn't was able to surpass him in speed. Freed with another demon form that is faster than the form that he fought Mirajane was totally blitzed by Gray DeS, lol, Satan Soul didn't show be fast as Kagura. Actually, it showed to be slow once that she is not showing reacting to anything since Tenrou Island.
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Mirajane has beaten an assassin without him using his assassin magic and fighting with a closed eye, wow, how strong!!!!!! lol
Kagura and Erza tanked the Yagdo Rigora (Minerva's partial summoning of a Yakuma God Clan), the summoning scared Mavis, made Jura (one of the strongest mages in the GMG say: ''Who here is so strong?'') and even Minerva said that she calculated wrong the endurance of Erza and Kagura, that the fight would never end if they are able to resist easily at that attack. And Kagura resisted it and was able to keep fighting as if it was nothing.
Even Erza didn't knock out Kagura in their fight.
( https://mangabeast.com/manga/Fairy-Tail/0312-017.png)
Kagura still showing her endurance when she was able to get up again after everything that she received from Larcade's fight.
So no, a nuke that two fooders tanked will not make any damage in Kagura (and Mirajane can't spam the Satan Soul explosion, she didn't show be able to do it).
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About MACRO:
The thing is: Mirajane wasn't able to take over Sayla in her strongest, she was able to do it only after Sayla was very hurt and after Kyouka has absorbed her cursed power. She took Sayla when the demon was about to die and with no curse power. What proof can you bring that shows that Mirajane can use Sayla macro with the same power as Saylas when she absorbed Sayla almost dying? Mirajane isn't even totally demon, she just has some demon genes in her body, but she is human. Being able to use Macro doesn't mean being able to use macro at the same level of power that Sayla would.
It still powerfull or do you think that cutting easily a mini-mountain is nothing? Erza could win again Kagura easily because of her feats, but it would happen more easily if Erza fights with Mirajane. LOL
What is this SDM nuke that you are saying? From who? Mirajane didn't prove to take much damage and still be able to fight when Sayla blitzed her with two attacks she wasn't even able to change to a combat form again. ( https://mangabeast.com/manga/Fairy-Tail/0381-002.png)
Azuma is slower than Kagura and SS didn't was able to surpass him in speed. Freed with another demon form that is faster than the form that he fought Mirajane was totally blitzed by Gray DeS, lol, Satan Soul didn't show be fast as Kagura. Actually, it showed to be slow once that she is not showing reacting to anything since Tenrou Island.
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Mirajane has beaten an assassin without him using his assassin magic and fighting with a closed eye, wow, how strong!!!!!! lol
Kagura and Erza tanked the Yagdo Rigora (Minerva's partial summoning of a Yakuma God Clan), the summoning scared Mavis, made Jura (one of the strongest mages in the GMG say: ''Who here is so strong?'') and even Minerva said that she calculated wrong the endurance of Erza and Kagura, that the fight would never end if they are able to resist easily at that attack. And Kagura resisted it and was able to keep fighting as if it was nothing.
Even Erza didn't knock out Kagura in their fight.
( https://mangabeast.com/manga/Fairy-Tail/0312-017.png)
Kagura still showing her endurance when she was able to get up again after everything that she received from Larcade's fight.
So no, a nuke that two fooders tanked will not make any damage in Kagura (and Mirajane can't spam the Satan Soul explosion, she didn't show be able to do it).
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The thing is: Mirajane wasn't able to take over Sayla in her strongest, she was able to do it only after Sayla was very hurt and after Kyouka has absorbed her cursed power. She took Sayla when the demon was about to die and with no curse power. What proof can you bring that shows that Mirajane can use Sayla macro with the same power as Saylas when she absorbed Sayla almost dying? Mirajane isn't even totally demon, she just has some demon genes in her body, but she is human. Being able to use Macro doesn't mean being able to use macro at the same level of power that Sayla would.
Cutting a mini mountain? In Fairytail? That’s literally NOTHING. Wendy, who is like 10 years old, can destroy a mini mountain. Wtf? Mirajane would give Erza a higher difficulty fight than Kagura would lol.
Lucy literally nuked Mira and her siblings the chapter 32. Her Stradress Mix attack that one shot Lisanna barely scratched Mira and Lucy now has no idea how she is going to defeat Mira.
Etherious Seilah is stronger than Kagura is lol.
I literally just told you Mira escapes an explosion from Azuma at close range. It doesn’t matter if he was faster or slower than Kagura. That’s a speed feat. DeS Gray>Mira and Kagura so what’s your point? Mira was still equal with Freed’s speed in his Darkness form in the battle of Fairytail and Mira has obviously gotten faster after like two TS. Etherious Seilah blitzed Sitri and Mira now has Etherious Seilah. Stop downplaying Mira’s speed. She reacted to invisible Jacob moving in BSS in the anime and Hiro is supervising the anime so what he says goes.
Yagdo Rigoro or whatever it’s called is a fodder spell that is flashy and big but never actually hurt anyone. Not that impressive. Everyone in that stadium severely overestimated Minerva as she would later get one shotted by Nakagami lol.
How can Mira not spam her weak nukes if she wanted to? That doesn’t make sense. They don’t take a lot of MP as Mira later transformed into Alegria and one shot JnH. Use your brain. By your logic, Erza can’t beat Mira because we have never seen her do it. You’re an idiot.
Larcade wasn’t taking Kagura seriously and he completely fodderized her.
What you said about Seilah is stupid. Curse power, like magic power, comes back. It doesn’t disappear just because you’re drained. Use your brain. Show me in canon that Seilah can use Macro better than Mirajane-Seilah because all you have is speculation. There’s no reason why Mirajane-Seilah and Seilah’s Macro would be different since it’s the exact same demon. You’re just downplay Mira now.
Mirajane beat an assassin whilst she was injured and low on magic!!! Yes!!! How strong!
You called Juliet and Heine fodder even though Kagura is fodder herself?
Cutting a mini mountain? In Fairytail? That’s literally NOTHING. Wendy, who is like 10 years old, can destroy a mini mountain. Wtf? Mirajane would give Erza a higher difficulty fight than Kagura would lol.
Lucy literally nuked Mira and her sibilantsin the chapter 32. Her Stradress Mix attack one shot Lisanna barely scratched Mira and Lucy now has no idea how she is going to defeat Mira.
Etherious Seilah is stronger than Kagura is lol.
I literally just told you Mira escapes an explosion from Azuma at close range. It doesn’t matter if he was faster or slower than Kagura. That’s a speed feat. DeS Gray>Mira and Kagura so what’s your point? Mira was still equal with Freed’s speed in his Darkness form in the battle of Fairytail.and Mira has obviously gotten faster after like two TS. Etherious Seilah blitzed Sitri and Mira now has Etherious Seilah. Stop downplaying Mira’s speed. She reacted to invisible Jacob moving in BSS in the anime and Hiro is supervising the anime so what he says goes.
Yagdo Rigoro or whatever is called is a fodder spell that is flashy and big but never actually hurt anyone. Not that impressive. Everyone in that stadium severely overestimated Minerva as she would later get one shotted by Nakagami lol.
How can Mira not spam her weak nukes if she wanted to? That doesn’t make sense. They don’t take a lot of MP as Mira later transformed into Alegria and one shot JnH. Use your brain.
Larcade wasn’t taking Kagura seriously and he completely fodderized her.
What you said about Seilah is stupid. Curse power, like magic power, comes back. It doesn’t disappear just because you’re drained. Use your brain. Show me in canon that Seilah can use Macro better than Mirajane-Seilah because all you have is speculation.
The thing is ''cutting'', Wendy can destroy a mountain with her air, but if the same air attack a person, it will just be some ar attack like a nuke, Kagura, otherwise, will cut Mirajane, will open a scratch that will bleed. The damage is higher. LOL And that's exactly why Kagura is stronger than Mirajane, Mirajane will send nukes and punches and Kagura will open scratches and scratches and make Mirajane bleed until be defeated.
Mira was in the same level of Freed in speed who is nothing in this area if compare with Erza and Kagura is faster than Erza in her speed armor, lol. The thing is: Mirajane didn't show to be fast as Kagura.
Mirajane has Sayla but didn't show to use her Etherious form and even repeat the speed feats from Sayla.
Mirajane vs Jacob in anime = filler.
Yagdo Rigora is recognized by Jura for his strength, how its a fodder attack? Fodder to me as nuke that can't hurt Heyne and Juliet and not an attack (said as strong) that was tanked by powerful mages as Erza.
Mirajane didn't show to spam her explosions in SS form, the explosions are her strongest attack in this form and she never spent a fight at distance using 1,2,3.... 10 explosions, she only uses it after her taijutsu don't work. We don't know how many magic power the explosion demands from her.
(LOL Mirajane tanked a slow explosion from Asuma isn't even something to be cited here)
How much time would Mirajane stand against a cut that destroyed the Erza's Adamantium armor?
The attack from Lucy only was strong enough to defeated Lisanna. Who is Lisanna? Are you saying that is something amazing Mirajane surpasses that attack?
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Last thing about Macro:
When Mirajane absorbed Plutogrim she changes to that form and could reproduce the power of this demon normally or is he too strong to her level that she can only use that form for a few minutes?
Why would she use Sayla's soul in all her extensions when she makes adjustments to be able to use the soul at her level of power?
UNTIL she didn't show using Macro in a strong mage easily as Sayla do I will not accept that she can do it.
The thing is ''cutting'', Wendy can destroy a mountain with her air, but if the same air attack a person, it will just be some ar attack like a nuke, Kagura, otherwise, will cut Mirajane, will open a scratch that will bleed. The damage is higher. LOL And that's exactly why Kagura is stronger than Mirajane, Mirajane will send nukes and punches and Kagura will open scratches and scratches and make Mirajane bleed until be defeated.
Mira was in the same level of Freed in speed who is nothing in this area if compare with Erza and Kagura is faster than Erza in her speed armor, lol. The thing is: Mirajane didn't show to be faster as Kagura.
Mirajane has Sayla but didn't show to use her Etherious form and even repeat the speed feats from Sayla.
Mirajane vs Jacob in anime = filler.
Yagdo Rigora is recognized by Jura for his strength, how its a fodder attack? Fodder to me as nuke that can't hurt Heyne and Juliet and not an attack (said as strong) that was tanked my powerful mages as Erza.
Mirajane didn't show to spam her explosions in SS form, the explosions are their strongest attack in this form and she never spent a fight at distance using 1,2,3.... 10 explosions, she only uses it after her taijutsu don't work. We don't know how many magic power the explosion demands from her.
(LOL Mirajane tanked a slow explosion from Asuma isn't even something to be cited here)
How many time would Mirajane stand against a cut that destroyed the Erza's Adamantium armor?
The attack from Lucy only was strong enough to defetead Lisanna. Who is Lisanna? Are you saying that is something amazing Mirajane surpasses that attack?
Your first paragraph is the stupidest argument I’ve ever heard and I want to ignore it. Can Kagura go around the Fairytail world and cut everyone and make them bleed to death? What? How does that thought process even make sense to you?
How do you know that Freed’s absolute Shadow couldn’t contend with Erza’s speed? Both him and Mira were moving incredibly fast whilst they were clashing. Again, you’re downplaying Mira’s speed. Mira was tied up when Azuma was going to put an explosion on her. She dodged it CLOSE RANGE.
Mira has the demon so she can use the demon in the exact same way. How could Mira transform into Seilah but have worse stats? How would that make sense?
Manga creator is working with the anime team = canon.
Jura clearly overestimated the attack as it did nothing to Kagura and Erza. Heck, I don’t really care what Jura says since he’s always getting fodderised.
Juliet and Heine tanking the nuke is more of a feat for them and less of a negative feat for Mira.
Also you do realise not all of Mira’s nukes are the same, right? The one she threw at Freed spread across the town whilst the one she threw at Juliet and Heine barely spread across the beach. Big difference. Mira can choose how big and strong her nukes are.
Mira barely fights in canon so her not just flying and nuking everyone doesn’t mean that she can’t. She has barely had the opportunity to. Also, the nukes obviously don’t demand a lot from her as she can casually throw them in her weakest form in Alvarez then use Alegria’s power which is at least double the BSS.
Mirajane would be injured from the attack that destroyed the Adamantine Armour, but she would still be able to fight on. Etherious Seilah’s damage output is higher than Kagura’s but Mirajane could still stand after Etherious Seilah rekt her and then she used Take Over on her. Mira tanked Juliet’s acidic slime, Heine’s close range electrical attack and a kick to the face that sent her flying. Then she fought an assassin for like half the war but she had enough endurance to not go down. Jacob obviously attacked her off screen multiple times but Mira still won in the end. Lucy’s nuke was her trump card and is a combination of Virgo and Leo’s power, yet her nuke gave Mira a few scratched whilst she was in her BSS. Stop downplaying Mira’s endurance and durability.
When Mira used Alegria, she used the demon strength plus her own. She can use the demon’s full potential until she tires out from overuse. She’s a master at Take Over.
In the Alvarez arc, Gray commends the fodder soldiers from Alvarez and says they’re better trained and have more magic power than the wizards from Avatar’s army. Then Mirajane-Seilah comes along and knocks out at least 30 of them 0 difficulty and freaking Gray was so shocked. That’s Mira using Macro effectively.
Are really arguing the people who got slaughtered by TENROU Erza can fight Mirajane after x791? Those girls got slaughtered by an Erza that was weaker than GMG Natsu lol. And when Erza used her SO she slaughtered an enhanced Minerva with just punches. Sorry to say, Kagura and Minerva are currently fodder. Wendy and Lucy have both better feats than them.
Kagura got slaughtered by every S12 she met. Minerva had an extreme diff with a fraction of an S12 and they likely were defeated due to Neinheart getting KOed.
Mira beat an S12 while on fumes and beat Heine and Juliet who were created by IRENE. The same Irene who made fodder soldiers f over CURRENT Erza.
Mira would slaughter those two without even breaking a sweat.
Your first paragraph is the stupidest argument I’ve ever heard and I want to ignore it. Can Kagura go around the Fairytail world and cut everyone and make them bleed to death? What? How does that thought process even make sense to you?
How do you know that Freed’s absolute Shadow couldn’t contend with Erza’s speed? Both him and Mira were moving incredibly fast whilst they were clashing. Again, you’re downplaying Mira’s speed. Mira was tied up when Azuma was going to put an explosion on her. She dodged it CLOSE RANGE.
Mira has the demon so she can use the demon in the exact same way. How could Mira transform into Seilah but have worse stats? How would that make sense?
Manga creator is working with the anime team = canon.
Jura clearly overestimated the attack as it did nothing to Kagura and Erza. Heck, I don’t really care what Jura says since he’s always getting fodderised.
Juliet and Heine tanking the nuke is more of a feat for them and less of a negative feat for Mira.
Also you do realise not all of Mira’s nukes are the same, right? The one she threw at Freed spread across the town whilst the one she threw at Juliet and Heine barely spread across the beach. Big difference. Mira can choose how big and strong her nukes are.
Mira barely fights in canon so her not just flying and nuking everyone doesn’t mean that she can’t. She has barely had the opportunity to. Also, the nukes obviously don’t demand a lot from her as she can casually throw them in her weakest form in Alvarez then use Alegria’s power which is at least double the BSS.
Mirajane would be injured from the attack that destroyed the Adamantine Armour, but she would still be able to fight on. Etherious Seilah’s damage output is higher than Kagura’s but Mirajane could still stand after Etherious Seilah rekt her and then she used Take Over on her. Mira tanked Juliet’s acidic slime, Heine’s close range electrical attack and a kick to the face that sent her flying. Then she fought an assassin for like half the war but she had enough endurance to not go down. Jacob obviously attacked her off screen multiple times but Mira still won in the end. Lucy’s nuke was her trump card and is a combination of Virgo and Leo’s power, yet her nuke gave Mira a few scratched whilst she was in her BSS. Stop downplaying Mira’s endurance and durability.
When Mira used Alegria, she used the demon strength plus her own. She can use the demon’s full potential until she tires out from overuse. She’s a master at Take Over.
In the Alvarez arc, Gray commends the fodder soldiers from Alvarez and says they’re better trained and have more magic power than the wizards from Avatar’s army. Then Mirajane-Seilah comes along and knocks out at least 30 of them 0 difficulty and freaking Gray was so shocked. That’s Mira using Macro effectively.
The nuke that Mirajane uses against Heyne and Juliet is vaster and stronger than the nuke that she used to defeat Freed. The problem is that the endurance level of the manga has improved so so so so much and an attack like that is nothing now.
You don't know how much power the nukes demands, it is the strongest attack from SS and if she really could put much strength in it besides what she did against Heyne and Juliet in her first nuke attack she would try it, doesn't she?
Mirajane will improve some resistance against Kagura's cut, of course, her body is not a paper and she isn't weak to fall for two or three attacks , but she doesn't show be able to use Satan Soul for combat after the damage that she took from Sayla, she will not stand much time fighting at her best after some cuts, her power and strength and even the capacity of sustaining her Satan Soul will be degraded until she loses. Anything that you've said (Heyne and Juliet attacks, Jacob punches, Lucy nukes, etc) isn't comparable to Kagura's cut in damage. Lucy news stardress didn't show even be able to damage properly Elfman, lol. Yagdo Rigora still more hyped than this attack because JURA said that it was strong and Kagura tanked it easily.
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Gray said that the minions are stronger and better trained than the minions that they fought in Avatar arc, but even highers soldiers (as Bakal, who fights Natsu) not have even 10% strength of a proper mage of Ishgal , why these minions would be anything? Mirajane being able to use Macro on minions doesn't prove anything. She needs to show being able to use it in strong mages without any complications.
Are really arguing the people who got slaughtered by TENROU Erza can fight Mirajane after x791? Those girls got slaughtered by an Erza that was weaker than GMG Natsu lol. And when Erza used her SO she slaughtered an enhanced Minerva with just punches. Sorry to say, Kagura and Minerva are currently fodder. Wendy and Lucy have both better feats than them.
Kagura got slaughtered by every S12 she met. Minerva had an extreme diff with a fraction of an S12 and they likely were defeated due to Neinheart getting KOed.
Mira beat an S12 while on fumes and beat Heine and Juliet who were created by IRENE. The same Irene who made fodder soldiers f over CURRENT Erza.
Mira would slaughter those two without even breaking a sweat.
Kagura wasn't knock out in her fight with Erza. She was in her feet and would quit the match when Mineverva stabs her with a sword.
Erza in GMG wasn't weak than Natsu, Minerva easily defended the strongest attack of Natsu and Erza defeated Minerva, how Natsu was stronger than Erza?
Erza, at Tartaros, damaged Minerva with just punches, but Minerva wasn't knocked out either. And the same Erza damage Kyouka in her etherious form with ''just punches'' and kicks (https://mangabeast.com/manga/Fairy-Tail/0404-007.png) while Mirajane wasn't able to hit even a punch in Sayla etherious with her strongest soul. Kyouka has the curse of strengthing herself and even her was damage by Erza taijutsu, so why is it something bad for Neo Minerva? (By the way, Neo Minerva and Erza fought for a quite time totally even along the arc).
The comparison is between Minerva/Kagura and Mirajane and not Erza. Mirajane has never hurted someone strong with just her punches.
No, Kagura still stronger than Mirajane and Minerva at the same level of Mirajane's, lol.
Kagura only really try to fight Dimaria (that isn't impossible to anyone fight) and Larcade and was praised by both of them for her speed reaction.
Mira beat a S12 who is one of the weakest in combat and who was with closed eyes and without using magic. That is nothing. Even someone week could defeat Jacob in this situation. Heyne and Juliet are under the level of any Spriggan and Mirajane needed to use all her power magic to win. Are you saying that Kagura or Minerva would lose to Heyne and Juliet? lol
I will pretend that you are not trying to use the berserker soldiers getting some temporary advantage of Erza to say that Heyne and Juliet are at same level of Erza's, lol, because that is bullshit.
The nuke that Mirajane uses against Heyne and Juliet is vaster and stronger than the nuke that she used to defeat Freed. The problem is that the endurance level of the manga has improved so so so so much and an attack like that is nothing now.
You don't know how much power the nukes demands, it is the strongest attack from SS and if she really could put much strength in it besides what she did against Heyne and Juliet in her first nuke attack she would try it, doesn't she?
Mirajane will improve some resistance against Kagura's cut, of course, her body is not a paper and she isn't weak to fall for two or three attacks , but she doesn't show be able to use Satan Soul for combat after the damage that she took from Sayla, she will not stand much time fighting at her best after some cuts, her power and strength and even the capacity of sustaining her Satan Soul will be degraded until she loses. Anything that you've said (Heyne and Juliet attacks, Jacob punches, Lucy nukes, etc) isn't comparable to Kagura's cut in damage. Lucy news stardress didn't show even be able to damage properly Elfman, lol. Yagdo Rigora still more hyped than this attack because JURA said that it was strong and Kagura tanked it easily.
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Gray said that the minions are stronger and better trained than the minions that they fought in Avatar arc, but even highers soldiers (as Bakal, who fights Natsu) not have even 10% strength of a proper mage of Ishgal , why these minions would be anything? Mirajane being able to use Macro on minions doesn't prove anything. She needs to show being able to use it in strong mages without any complications.
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Kagura wasn't knock out in her fight with Erza. She was in her feet and would quit the match when Mineverva stabs her with a sword.
Erza in GMG wasn't weak than Natsu, Minerva easily defended the strongest attack of Natsu and Erza defeated Minerva, how Natsu was stronger than Erza?
Erza, at Tartaros, damaged Minerva with just punches, but Minerva wasn't knocked out either. And the same Erza damage Kyouka in her etherious form with ''just punches'' and kicks (https://mangabeast.com/manga/Fairy-Tail/0404-007.png) while Mirajane wasn't able to hit even a punch in Sayla etherious with her strongest soul. Kyouka has the curse of strengthing herself and even her was damage by Erza taijutsu, so why is it something bad for Neo Minerva? (By the way, Neo Minerva and Erza fought for a quite time totally even along the arc).
The comparison is between Minerva/Kagura and Mirajane and not Erza. Mirajane has never hurted someone strong with just her punches.
No, Kagura still stronger than Mirajane and Minerva at the same level of Mirajane's, lol.
Kagura only really try to fight Dimaria (that isn't impossible to anyone fight) and Larcade and was praised by both of them for her speed reaction.
Mira beat a S12 who is one of the weakest in combatant and who was with closed eyes and without using magic. That is nothing. Even someone very week could defeat Jacob in this situation. Heyne and Juliet are under the level of any Spriggan and that Mirajane needed to use all her power magic to win. Are you saying that Kagura or Minerva would lose to Heyne and Juliet? lol
I will pretend that you are not trying to use the berserker soldiers getting some temporary advantage of Erza to say that Heyne and Juliet are at same level of Erza's, lol, because that is bullshit.
That attack that Kagura did was nothing lol anyone in the series can do that.
Makarov is weak, I don’t care how impressed he was. What type of guild master is he if he can’t even see Erza move lol
The nuke Mira used against Freed is wider. The nuke doesn’t demand a lot of MP since we have seen Mira use on and use something even more taxing afterwards.
None of Kagura’s feats are recent therefore they’re not impressive. Tanking Yagdo Rigroro like two TS’ ago is not impressive. Show me Kagura in the final arc one shotting someone on her level (Juliet and Heine are Kagura and Minerva level since they could fight on par with BSS Mira) and show me a weakened Kagura beating a Spriggan. Kagura’s EoS feats are awful and her feats from GMG are outdated. Give me Kagura feats that are RECENT and clearly put her over Mira. Mira’s got ridiculous power ups as she consumed the whole of Tartaros. Where is Kagura’s powerup?
You think 100 year quest Lucy doesn’t have more attack power than GMG Kagura? I mean, sure. Elfman is a tank and is always growing and improving and he has feats to show it so of course he could tank the attack.
Macro would work on Kagura and there’s no reason it wouldn’t since she’s not even Spriggan level. Alegria is also too much for Kagura as well. Alegria has more attack power than Kagura. One attack from Alegria removed Irene’s personality enchantments, a high level spell that turns swords into wizards and Mira didn’t even know that was possible and thought it was terrifying that there was someone that strong. Mirajane-Seilah and Mirajane Alegria are more than enough for Kagura who hasn’t had a good display of feats in years.
Mira took Jacob out with a punch. Jacob is a Spriggan. Her punches can hurt Spriggan’s.
Kagura getting praised for her speed doesn’t mean anything lol. Larcade and Dimaria could still react to her speed easily and block her attacks LMAO.
So are you going to ignore that Mira beat Jacob whilst she was nerfed or are you not ready for that discussion? And Jacob still landed hits with his eyes closed. Mira tanked them all and that shows great endurance but I guess you’ll ignore what doesn’t agree with your mindset. Yes, Juliet and Heine are under Spriggan level..... so are Kagura and Minerva........... LMAO. You really didn’t think that one through.
That attack that Kagura did was nothing lol anyone in the series can do that.
Makarov is weak, I don’t care how impressed he was. What type of guild master is he if he can’t even see Erza move lol
The nuke Mira used against Freed is wider. The nuke doesn’t demand a lot of MP since we have seen Mira use on and use something even more taxing afterwards.
None of Kagura’s feats are recent therefore they’re not impressive. Tanking Yagdo Rigroro like two TS’ ago is not impressive. Show me Kagura in the final arc one shotting someone on her level (Juliet and Heine are Kagura and Minerva level since they could fight on par with BSS Mira) and show me a weakened Kagura beating a Spriggan. Kagura’s EoS feats are awful and her feats from GMG are outdated. Give me Kagura feats that are RECENT and clearly put her over Mira. Mira’s got ridiculous power ups as she consumed the whole of Tartaros. Where is Kagura’s powerup?
You think 100 year quest Lucy doesn’t have more attack power than GMG Kagura? I mean, sure. Elfman is a tank and is always growing and improving and he has feats to show it so of course he could tank the attack.
Macro would work on Kagura and there’s no reason it wouldn’t since she’s not even Spriggan level. Alegria is also too much for Kagura as well. Alegria has more attack power than Kagura. One attack from Alegria removed Irene’s personality enchantments, a high level spell that turns swords into wizards and Mira didn’t even know that was possible and thought it was terrifying that there was someone that strong. Mirajane-Seilah and Mirajane Alegria are more than enough for Kagura who hasn’t had a good display of feats in years.
Mira took Jacob out with a punch. Jacob is a Spriggan. Her punches can hurt Spriggan’s.
Kagura getting praised for her speed doesn’t mean anything lol. Larcade and Dimaria could still react to her speed easily and block her attacks LMAO.
So are you going to ignore that Mira beat Jacob whilst she was nerfed or are you not ready for that discussion? And Jacob still landed hits with his eyes closed. Mira tanked them all and that shows great endurance but I guess you’ll ignore what doesn’t agree with your mindset. Yes, Juliet and Heine are under Spriggan level..... so are Kagura and Minerva........... LMAO. You really didn’t think that one through.
Even the Heyne and Juliet put him above Mirajane. So how is he weak?
Mirajane has never shown to fighting spamming her nukes, she always comes to close combat and when it fails she use her nuke (and if it fails she changes to another soul because the nukes are the strongest spells that she can use in her SS classic form)
Of course Lucy hasn't more attack power than Kagura. Kagura destroyed an entire block with one cut of her sword. How Lucy could have more attack power than that? ( https://mangabeast.com/manga/Fairy-Tail/0315-003.png )
The only spell that Lucy showed to be able to defeat strong mages is Uranometria (which drain her completely).
Tanking easily YG 2 ago, recognized by Jura as a strong spell, is more impressive than tanked an attack which only proves to be able to knock out Lisanna.
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ABOUT MACRO: When Mirajane uses Plutogrim forms she only can use it for a few minutes because of how powerful this demon is, and Plutogrim is not a demon of the book of Zeref as Sayla (who is higher than him at hierarchy ). Why would you think that she can use Sayla in full extension? LOL
These are some hypotheses: - Mirajane could only use Macro for a few minutes. - Mirajane could have control of the curse less powerful than Sayla's. I don't know! When she showed to use the Alegria form it demands limitations and adjustments. So why Sayla's form wouldn't? Just because you want it? Mirajane didn't use MACRO in a strong opponent and until she uses there's no proves that she can.
Kagura is around the same level of Mirajane overall, so the Macro couldn't just control her completely as it happens with the minions fodders or it could only work for a few time. One thing is a fact: Mirajane didn't show to be able to use Macro in a strong mage.
Alegria didn't prove to be enough to defeated Kagura. Even it is the faster form of Mirajane, she blitzed Heyne and Juliet in part because they're scared (which made them stay still in the fight without try to attack Mirajane. It's different when you blitz someone who is trying to react to when you blitz someone who is too scared to do anything. ) There is no proof that Mirajane Alegria would even reach Kagura without her escape with her gravity - and, no, Mirajane Alegria doesn't fly!-.
Jacob is trash in endurance, Kagura doesn't! lol Neinhart too was defeated by Natsu with some explosives punches.
Kagura, otherwise, showed a lot of resistance, Erza didn't knock her out in their fight and she stood to help Sting with her magic even after have an open bleeding wound.
Dimaria launched the attack by surprise and Kagura reacted to it: https://mangabeast.com/manga/Fairy-Tail/0467-007.png
It is far better than fight a Spriggan who was with his eyes closed. It shows that Kagura could fight with Dimaria in her base form if she didn't use her hax.
Larcade could react to Kagura but praised her speed and he only is able to stop her sword with his fingers because his fingers are like a blade (he cut Sting with just a finger: https://mangabeast.com/manga/Fairy-Tail/0511-013.png).
Mirajane only was able to endure Jacob's punches, lol, are you saying that is the same damage as a sword cut?
Of course Jacob could hit her with closed eyes, but it would be harder for him to reach the attack this way and to dodge too, there is the reason that this fight was made possible to happens.
Mirajane wouldn't do any better when fighting the same Spriggans that Kagura fought, she would get stomp easily by Jaboc if he used his hax.
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Without plotline, Kagura would defeat Heyne and Juliet easier than Mirajane. Kagura is faster than Mirajane SS, so she wouldn't be so held down by the two, she could use her gravity power to slow the movements of the 2 swords and cut them until they perish. lol
Minerva could explore the Enchanted Swords attacks against themselves using the territory to change place with one of them to damage the other.
Minerva still with some portions of demons genes inside her (which makes her stronger) so, by logical, all her attacks, even the YG are at least a bit stronger than it was at GMG.
Even the Heyne and Juliet put him above Mirajane. So how is he weak?
Mirajane has never shown to fighting spamming her nukes, she always comes to close combat and when it fails she use her nuke (and if it fails she changes to another soul because the nukes are the strongest spells that she can use in her SS classic form)
Of course Lucy hasn't more attack power than Kagura. Kagura destroyed an entire block with one cut of her sword. How Lucy could have more attack power than that? ( https://mangabeast.com/manga/Fairy-Tail/0315-003.png )
The only spell that Lucy showed to be able to defeat strong mages is Uranometria (which drain her completely).
Tanking easily YG 2 ago, recognized by Jura as a strong spell, is more impressive than tanked an attack which only proves to be able to knock out Lisanna.
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ABOUT MACRO: When Mirajane uses Plutogrim forms she only can use it for a few minutes because of how powerful this demon is, and Plutogrim is not a demon of the book of Zeref as Sayla (who is higher than him at hierarchy ). Why would you think that she can use Sayla in full extension? LOL
These are some hypotheses: - Mirajane could only use Macro for a few minutes. - Mirajane could have control of the curse less powerful than Sayla's. I don't know! When she showed to use the Alegria form it demands limitations and adjustments. So why Sayla's form wouldn't? Just because you want it? Mirajane didn't use MACRO in a strong opponent and until she uses there's no proves that she can.
Kagura is around the same level of Mirajane overall, so the Macro couldn't just control her completely as it happens with the minions fodders or it could only work for a few time. One thing is a fact: Mirajane didn't show to be able to use Macro in a strong mage.
Alegria didn't prove to be enough to defeated Kagura. Even it is the faster form of Mirajane, she blitzed Heyne and Juliet in part because they're scared (which made them stay still in the fight without try to attack Mirajane. It's different when you blitz someone who is trying to react to when you blitz someone who is too scared to do anything. ) There is no proof that Mirajane Alegria would even reach Kagura without her escape with her gravity - and, no, Mirajane Alegria doesn't fly!-.
Jacob is trash in endurance, Kagura doesn't! lol Neinhart too was defeated by Natsu with some explosives punches.
Kagura, otherwise, showed a lot of resistance, Erza didn't knock her out in their fight and she stood to help Sting with her magic even after have an open bleeding wound.
Dimaria launched the attack by surprise and Kagura reacted to it: https://mangabeast.com/manga/Fairy-Tail/0467-007.png
It is far better than fight a Spriggan who was with his eyes closed. It shows that Kagura could fight with Dimaria in her base form if she didn't use her hax.
Larcade could react to Kagura but praised her speed and he only is able to stop her sword with his fingers because his fingers are like a blade (he cut Sting with just a finger: https://mangabeast.com/manga/Fairy-Tail/0511-013.png).
Mirajane only was able to endure Jacob's punches, lol, are you saying that is the same damage as a sword cut?
Of course Jacob could hit her with closed eyes, but it would be harder for him to reach the attack this way and to dodge too, there is the reason that this fight was made possible to happens.
Mirajane wouldn't do any better when fighting the same Spriggans that Kagura fought, she would get stomp easily by Jaboc if he used his hax.
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Without plotline, Kagura would defeat Heyne and Juliet easier than Mirajane. Kagura is faster than Mirajane SS, so she wouldn't be so held down by the two, she could use her gravity power to slow the movements of the 2 swords and cut them until they perish. lol
Minerva could explore the Enchanted Swords attacks against themselves using the territory to change place with one of them to damage the other.
Minerva still with some portions of demons genes inside her (which makes her stronger) so, by logical, all her attacks, even the YG are at least a bit stronger than it was at GMG.
Makarov having the most magic in the guild wouldn’t mean he is the strongest. Him having more magic power than Gildarts or Laxus doesn’t mean that they won’t defeat him. He has long passed his prime.
They didn’t really put Makarov ahead of Mira. They implied that there was another wizard that was close to Makarov’s MP level whilst they’re in Base. Mira had more MP than every wizard that was fighting.
False, Mira didn’t nuke Seilah or Jenny. She can choose when to shoot nuke’s whenever she wants in battle.
Lucy would summon Leo or the cow to destroy a block like that with ease like how Kagura did it. Heck, a Stardress could probably do that. You’re selling Lucy’s attack power short and Mira’s endurance.
Lucy one shot Lisanna who was strong enough to fight a weakened Ajeel and not die and actually help Elfman win. Lisanna May be fodder but she’s top tier fodder.
You do realise that Mirajane ALEGRIA is not Mirajane PLUTOGRIM. Alegria is every Tartaros demon AND Plutogrim. That’s what Mira’s form is. Mirajane Alegria also literally has wings to fly with.
Those examples aren’t the only possibilities about what happened with Macro. Such as the radius being too wide or it controlling too many wizards at once. Nice try.
Macro doesn’t need complete control to allow Mira to win. Even if Kagura resists Macro, Mira could use that opportunity to attack her whilst she’s struggling to resist the control. Macro is way too strong to be shrugged off without effort.
Even if Kagura is faster than Mirajane (and if she is, it won’t be a wide margin) Mira can use Macro to slow Kagura down.
Mirajane scaring the opponent then blitzing is actually a perfect combination. That should also happen to Kagura. As we saw with what happened to JnH, they were too focused on Mira’s demonic appearance that was oozing out so much magical power that the atomosphere around it changed.
Mira and Jacob were fighting close range in a taijutsu battle.
Mira could probably fight on par with Jacob whilst both are healthy and in base. Even though Jacob closed his eyes, Mira had depleted magical power and a lot of injuries and she still fought him and won.
Larcade complimenting Kagura’s speed is impressive but so is Mira actually defeating a Spriggan in her condition. Also, it doesn’t matter how or why Larcade stopped Kagura’s sword with his fingers. All that matters is that show that they’re at a completely different level strength wise.
I believe Mira may be able to defeat different Spriggan’s in a proper battle and I think Kagura can’t. But that’s a different topic for later.
As what we saw what happened with Blutenote and Natsu, strong people can walk through Gravity Magic, and Kagura’s Gravity Magic doesn’t match Bluenote’s. If Juliet and Heine can handle a nuke that was thrown at them out of nowhere, they can handle Kagura’s gravity magic just fine.
Also for Minerva, there’s something called closing the distance. JnH can engage in close combat with Minerva like how Erza did.
Not only did most of the Spriggan’s not use their strongest abilities, a lot of the final arc fights involves Spriggan’s obviously holding back or being stupid. Like how Bloodman didn’t use every curse he had against Gajeel and how Invel carelessly left Gray and Juvia whilst they were injured, he should’ve inspected their bodies.
Makarov having the most magic in the guild wouldn’t mean he is the strongest.
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Even if Kagura is faster than Mirajane (and if she is, it won’t be a wide margin) Mira can use Macro to slow Kagura down.
Mirajane scaring the opponent then blitzing is actually a perfect combination. That should also happen to Kagura. As we saw with what happened to JnH, they were too focused on Mira’s demonic appearance that was oozing out so much magical power that the atomosphere around it changed.
Mira and Jacob were fighting close range in a taijutsu battle.
Mira could probably fight on par with Jacob whilst both are healthy and in base. Even though Jacob closed his eyes, Mira had depleted magical power and a lot of injuries and she still fought him and won.
Larcade complimenting Kagura’s speed is impressive but so is Mira actually defeating a Spriggan in her condition. Also, it doesn’t matter how or why Larcade stopped Kagura’s sword with his fingers. All that matters is that show that they’re at a completely different level strength wise.
I believe Mira may be able to defeat different Spriggan’s in a proper battle and I think Kagura can’t. But that’s a different topic for later.
As what we saw what happened with Blutenote and Natsu, strong people can walk through Gravity Magic, and Kagura’s Gravity Magic doesn’t match Bluenote’s. If Juliet and Heine can handle a nuke that was thrown at them out of nowhere, they can handle Kagura’s gravity magic just fine.
Also for Minerva, there’s something called closing the distance. JnH can engage in close combat with Minerva like how Erza did.
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Not only did most of the Spriggan’s not use their strongest abilities, a lot of the final arc fights involves Spriggan’s obviously holding back or being stupid. Like how Bloodman didn’t use every curse he had against Gajeel and how Invel carelessly left Gray and Juvia whilst they were injured, he should’ve inspected their bodies.
- You're shaming yourself. First, you said that Makarov was weak, now you're saying that he is not the strongest one in the guild. And who said that he was? I'm just saying that he is not weak!
- They said that Makarov was the ''principal plate'' but that Mirajane has a relevant magic power too, they put Makarov above Mirajane. And Gray put him above anyone in the guild about magic power.
- Are you reading what I'm writing, buddy? I said that Mirajane fights with taijutsu and when it fails she use her nukes. Of course, she didn't use it against Jenny, only the taijutsu worked! Sayla have stomped Mirajane so hard (when Mirajane was trying to fight her with taijutsu) that she wasn't able to change to a combat form anymore, lol. What I have said is true, Mirajane isn't a spam-nuke-fighter.
- Loki and Taurus didn't show anything like the Kagura's cut that destroyed a block. They can't do it if they didn't show do it.
- Ajeel wasn't weakened (he wasn't an Historia) when he fought Elfman and Lisanna. We even know if Lisanna was in the front line attacking him all the time. Elfman was using a TO form that canceled Ajeel's sand, so he could use it to save Lisanna from strong attacks.
The thing is: Lisanna isn't even beyond Yukine in strength overall, you're shaming yourself trying to pretend that Lisanna is strong to hype Mirajane.
- "You do realise that Mirajane ALEGRIA is not Mirajane PLUTOGRIM. Alegria is every Tartaros demon AND Plutogrim."
1/10 for this fanfic.
- I will not discuss a flop macro that even wasn't able to put all the fodder soldiers on its control and even Mirajane showed not to be able to use them twice times in fodder soldiers.
- "Mirajane scaring the opponent then blitzing is actually a perfect combination."
NOPE. It's not a good feat to blitz an opponent who was too scared to react. I can bring a moment that even August wasn't able to react because he was ''too surprise'' that Gildars found out how his magic worked! That's lame.
- Mirajane defeated the weakest Spriggan at combat and with his eye closed, lol. That's not a big deal.
- Kagura showed to be able to use Gravity Magic in Sting after he has absorbed shadow powers and was in Dragon Force, of course, her magic would work on Mirajane.
- Minerva fought a Spriggan Historia with 50% of his strength (when she fought Wahl, God Serena had already been defeated by Gildats so Neinhart was only keeping two Historias on the battlefield. And, after that, he was enchanted by Irene!!) she won't lose easily to Mirajane.
Any of them, Minerva or Kagura, would be not scared by Mirajane's magic power when both of them are strong mages too and have fought opponents stronger than Mirajane.
As I said: Erza > Kagura > Minerva/ Mirajane > Lucy/Wendy > Juvia.
Makarov having the most magic in the guild wouldn’t mean he is the strongest. Him having more magic power than Gildarts or Laxus doesn’t mean that they won’t defeat him. He has long passed his prime.
They didn’t really put Makarov ahead of Mira. They implied that there was another wizard that was close to Makarov’s MP level whilst they’re in Base. Mira had more MP than every wizard that was fighting.
False, Mira didn’t nuke Seilah or Jenny. She can choose when to shoot nuke’s whenever she wants in battle.
Lucy would summon Leo or the cow to destroy a block like that with ease like how Kagura did it. Heck, a Stardress could probably do that. You’re selling Lucy’s attack power short and Mira’s endurance.
Lucy one shot Lisanna who was strong enough to fight a weakened Ajeel and not die and actually help Elfman win. Lisanna May be fodder but she’s top tier fodder.
You do realise that Mirajane ALEGRIA is not Mirajane PLUTOGRIM. Alegria is every Tartaros demon AND Plutogrim. That’s what Mira’s form is. Mirajane Alegria also literally has wings to fly with.
Those examples aren’t the only possibilities about what happened with Macro. Such as the radius being too wide or it controlling too many wizards at once. Nice try.
Macro doesn’t need complete control to allow Mira to win. Even if Kagura resists Macro, Mira could use that opportunity to attack her whilst she’s struggling to resist the control. Macro is way too strong to be shrugged off without effort.
Even if Kagura is faster than Mirajane (and if she is, it won’t be a wide margin) Mira can use Macro to slow Kagura down.
Mirajane scaring the opponent then blitzing is actually a perfect combination. That should also happen to Kagura. As we saw with what happened to JnH, they were too focused on Mira’s demonic appearance that was oozing out so much magical power that the atomosphere around it changed.
Mira and Jacob were fighting close range in a taijutsu battle.
Mira could probably fight on par with Jacob whilst both are healthy and in base. Even though Jacob closed his eyes, Mira had depleted magical power and a lot of injuries and she still fought him and won.
Larcade complimenting Kagura’s speed is impressive but so is Mira actually defeating a Spriggan in her condition. Also, it doesn’t matter how or why Larcade stopped Kagura’s sword with his fingers. All that matters is that show that they’re at a completely different level strength wise.
I believe Mira may be able to defeat different Spriggan’s in a proper battle and I think Kagura can’t. But that’s a different topic for later.
As what we saw what happened with Blutenote and Natsu, strong people can walk through Gravity Magic, and Kagura’s Gravity Magic doesn’t match Bluenote’s. If Juliet and Heine can handle a nuke that was thrown at them out of nowhere, they can handle Kagura’s gravity magic just fine.
Also for Minerva, there’s something called closing the distance. JnH can engage in close combat with Minerva like how Erza did.
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Not only did most of the Spriggan’s not use their strongest abilities, a lot of the final arc fights involves Spriggan’s obviously holding back or being stupid. Like how Bloodman didn’t use every curse he had against Gajeel and how Invel carelessly left Gray and Juvia whilst they were injured, he should’ve inspected their bodies.
I even know if Bradman can use all the Tartaros curses at the same level as the original owners of the curses. Bradman isn't portrayed as a demon so strong like that to be all the 9 gates combined in full extension.
- You're shaming yourself. First, you said that Makarov was weak, now you're saying that he is not the strongest one in the guild. And who said that he was? I'm just saying that he is not weak!
- They said that Makarov was the ''principal plate'' but that Mirajane has a relevant magic power too, they put Makarov above Mirajane. And Gray put him above anyone in the guild about magic power.
- Are you reading what I'm writing, buddy? I said that Mirajane fights with taijutsu and when it fails she use her nukes. Of course, she didn't use it against Jenny, only the taijutsu worked! Sayla have stomped Mirajane so hard (when Mirajane was trying to fight her with taijutsu) that she wasn't able to change to a combat form anymore, lol. What I have said is true, Mirajane isn't a spam-nuke-fighter.
- Loki and Taurus didn't show anything like the Kagura's cut that destroyed a block. They can't do it if they didn't show do it.
- Ajeel wasn't weakened (he wasn't an Historia) when he fought Elfman and Lisanna. We even know if Lisanna was in the front line attacking him all the time. Elfman was using a TO form that canceled Ajeel's sand, so he could use it to save Lisanna from strong attacks.
The thing is: Lisanna isn't even beyond Yukine in strength overall, you're shaming yourself trying to pretend that Lisanna is strong to hype Mirajane.
- "You do realise that Mirajane ALEGRIA is not Mirajane PLUTOGRIM. Alegria is every Tartaros demon AND Plutogrim."
1/10 for this fanfic.
- I will not discuss a flop macro that even wasn't able to put all the fodder soldiers on its control and even Mirajane showed not to be able to use them twice times in fodder soldiers.
- "Mirajane scaring the opponent then blitzing is actually a perfect combination."
NOPE. It's not a good feat to blitz an opponent who was too scared to react. I can bring a moment that even August wasn't able to react because he was ''too surprise'' that Gildars found out how his magic worked! That's lame.
- Mirajane defeated the weakest Spriggan at combat and with his eye closed, lol. That's not a big deal.
- Kagura showed to be able to use Gravity Magic in Sting after he has absorbed shadow powers and was in Dragon Force, of course, her magic would work on Mirajane.
- Minerva fought a Spriggan Historia with 50% of his strength (when she fought Wahl, God Serena had already been defeated by Gildats so Neinhart was only keeping two Historias on the battlefield. And, after that, he was enchanted by Irene!!) she won't lose easily to Mirajane.
Any of them, Minerva or Kagura, would be not scared by Mirajane's magic power when both of them are strong mages too and have fought opponents stronger than Mirajane.
As I said: Erza > Kagura > Minerva/ Mirajane > Lucy/Wendy > Juvia.
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I even know if Bradman can use all the Tartaros curses at the same level as the original owners of the curses. Bradman isn't portrayed as a demon so strong like that to be all the 9 gates combined in full extension.
Huh? What are you talking about? How am I shaming myself? I said Makarov is weak and I stand by what I said. Him having high amount of MP doesn’t mean he is the strongest in the guild.
She didn’t use it against Jenny because she didn’t want to. She didn’t use it against Seilah because she didn’t want to. Mira was never in any fight where she needed to spam nukes, it doesn’t mean she can’t.
Loki and Taurus are both strong physically. They have the raw strength that’s needed.
Ajeel was hit with a Jupiter cannon a day or two before he fought Elfman and Lisanna. How was he not weakened? Lisanna>Yukino idk what you’re talking about. Also the Ajeel fight was offscreened so we have no idea what happened. For all we know, Lisanna tanked multiple of Ajeel’s attacks. Also Lisanna wasn’t knocked out when Etherious Seilah was thrashing Mira and Lisanna was in the background. Her durability is no joke yet Lucy one shot her but the same nuke left Mira unfazed. Stop sleeping on Mira’s durability.
Mirajane ALEGRIA is a fanfic even though Mirajane literally said with words whilst explaining Mirajane ALEGRIA that she absorbed all the Tartaros demons and souls after the battle with Tartaros, this creating Mirajane ALEGRIA? Do you even pay attention to the story? There is no such thing as Mirajane Plutogrim. The form is all the Tartaros souls AND Plutogrim and that’s a canon fact. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Go reread chapter 492 or rewatch the final season episode 27.
You’re an idiot if you think Macro would work on every single soldier. Do you think Macro has the capacity to work on hundreds or thousands of people at once when Seilah never used it on more than 6 people at once? Use your brain. There’s no reason why Kagura would not be effected by it in a freaking one vs one fight. The only reason it didn’t work on the fodder soldiers was obviously because Macro has either a capacity limit or radius limit, anyone with a brain would be able to tell that much. Unless the fodder soldiers behind the sleeping ones were stronger than the sleeping ones or the fodder soldiers were too strong for Mira, which wouldn’t make sense at all considering all the fodder soldiers are the same and Mira is a tier unreachable to those soldiers. Use your brain, the curse itself is obviously limited depending on how many people it’s being used on. It would work fine on Kagura who isn’t in a tier higher than Mira, so Kagura logically should be affected by Macro. She’s not shrugging off Macro that stopped Erza and Minerva in their tracks and forced them to strangle themselves.
Mira knocked out a lot of the fodder soldiers instantly whilst others were not affected at all. That’s literally a limitation of the curse. Why would some of them get knocked out immediately whilst the others were unaffected? My God, when it comes to Mira nobody uses their brain for some reason.
Huh? It is a good feat to blitz someone that’s scared. Because you’re strong enough to scare them senseless then blitz. The same thing would happen to Minerva and Kagura as they’d have no idea hat Mirajane Alegria was a thing and it’s the strongest demon Mira possesses in terms of magic output and damage output. Even then, just because you’re scared doesn’t mean you can’t react. Mira was still too fast for JnH who were both BSS and competent fighters.
Mira defeated a Spriggan whilst she was weakened. Show me Kagura in the final season defeating anyone close to Mira’s level. Kagura’s GMG feats are outdated in canon and that’s a fact. Jacob underestimated Mira by thinking he could defeat her with closed eyes. He was wrong and he lost to a weakened Mira.
Pushing Sting down into his shadow doesn’t mean Kagura would be able keep him down. Also, Mira>Sting so I don’t understand what your point is lol.
Lol Larcade and Dimaria scared the crap out of Kagura, Mirajane Alegria would do the same. Juliet and Heine used to live near Spriggan's yet Mirajane Alegria scared the shit out of them. I wonder why?
Historia Wahl and Historia Bloodman fell after Neinhart lost. It’s inconclusive.
You’re trying to say that Kagura>Mirajane=Minerva even though Mirajane has better EoS feats? How can Mira be weaker than Kagura when she has been shown to be stronger? We don’t even know if Minerva defeated Historia Wahl and that’s her ONLY feat in the final season. Mirajane one shot Irene’s enchanted swords who were BSS level and killed hem then Mira beat an assassin in h2h combat. Show me Kagura defeating anyone in the EoS that scales to Mira. Show me something conclusive that shows that Minerva defeated Historia Wahl. Also I don’t know how Minerva defeating Historia Wahl is more impressive than a weakened Mira defeating Jacob lol bye.
The real ranking by feats is Erza>Mirajane>Kagura=Minerva then any girl after them because it doesn’t really matter.
Why would Bloodman NOT be able to use the Curses to their best potential when he was created by Zeref just like the Nine Demon Gates? Why didn’t he even bother to use all his curses. Use your brain.
Wall was also next to the soldiers that were not affected and he already analyzed the curse as well and joked about which indicates he had a hand in stopping it. He easily got through a Justu Shiki minutes prior lol.
Wall was also next to the soldiers that were not affected and he already analyzed the curse as well and joked about which indicates he had a hand in stopping it. He easily got through a Justu Shiki minutes prior lol.
Even then, Macro knocking out at least 30 soldiers at once was an impressive feat considering the wizards from Sabertooth and other guilds only knocked out a few at once. Even that shows the clear power difference between Mira and other characters.
Even then, Macro knocking out at least 30 soldiers at once was an impressive feat considering the wizards from Sabertooth and other guilds only knocked out a few at once. Even that shows the clear power difference between Mira and other characters.
I'm honestly wondering how he thinks Pre SO Erza lvl characters are anywhere near GMG+ Mirajane let alone Current Mirajane and how the one who was fodderize by every S12 she met is above a person who beat an S12 lol.
People really try to downplay Mira vs Jacob but turn around and hype Laxus vs Wall when they are practically the same lol.
Wall vs Laxus isn't really similar to Mirajane vs Jacob. Like at all.
Wall had some of the best feats among the Spriggans as far as hand to hand combat, nukes, and durability goes. Jacob is pretty meh. Jacob is only theoretically impressive. It's possible for him to sneak around in stealth and transport you before you know there's a fight going on, but that isn't something he's actually ever done. Jacob's actual performance isn't anything to write home about, even when considering transport and stealth. Stealth was only successful in harassing Natsu and Lucy when Natsu is using attacks on the level of a Lucy kick. Transport was stopped by Makarov throwing Happy, so the reaction speed needed to stop Jacob from clapping when you can see him isn't that huge. As far as his hand to hand performance goes, Jacob's attack power is actually worse than Neinhart. Now that I think about it, if Jacob truly went down to base Mira or Satan Soul, then his durability is just as bad as Neinhart's. If not worse, because Jellal's grand chariot was actually fairly impressive against Acnologia.
Laxus is someone that can kill a Spriggan with a single shot. The nuke Laxus used against Ajeel was considered by August to be lethal to Ajeel. When Laxus fought Wall, the very first attack that Wall wasn't immune to ended up killing Wall. If Laxus fought the same Jacob that Mirajane fought (closing his eyes and not using transport), it would be an absolute stomp. Really the same can be said if Laxus fought any of Mirajane's opponents. Jacob was knocked out by demolition fist, and actually I would make the argument that the heat from FDK mode alone had Jacob on the verge of defeat. I cannot see Jacob tanking the nuke used against Jacob or red lightning. I don't think I even see Jacob surviving those attacks. Wall on the other hand completely outclasses Juliet and Heine in hand to hand, so Mirajane will likely resort to Alegria early on. If Alegria doesn't oneshot Wall, and it hasn't oneshotted anyone as strong as Wall, then there's not much else to be said.
Wall had some of the best H2H -> Had unknown durability due to fighting a lightning user -> made retarded decisions throughout the fight -> missed lethal shots point blank despite making a shot from 400km away...
Harassing Natsu -> pin him down and made him resort to using tactics rather than power...
Jacob's AP is worse than Neinheart -> knocked Natsu on his ass and pinned while Neinheart got bodied in two hits while enhanced. Acting like the Happy thing wasn't for comedy...and like Happy isn't one the fast beings in the universe.... Grand Chariot did nothing to Acno so dunno how it was impressive especially when Natsu matched the output with a single punch. Jellal's GC ain't even as impressive as Erza's. Also using Acno BS feats? Guess Cobra dura >>>>>>>>> Jellal who got bodied by Neinheart in one hit by that logic.
Ajeel was confident in taking it and was caught off guard. Laxus has never oneshotted an S12 lol and was out for basically the entire war after fighting one. You're just giving Laxus Mira feats despite not once showing he can fight on par with an S12 while heavily exhausted. He barely fought Pretch in that state. Please stoping giving feats to characters who don't have said feats.
Seriously underestimating the S12 yet this arc showed they were too tough for Natsu without BS PoF as he had a hard time fighting Gajeel...an opponent Bloodman scrubbed with just second seal. Jacob also survived a FDKM attack way better than Madmole did. Madmole was roasted by Base FDK move that was nowhere near the caliber of Natsu flames in FDKM.
Also Natsu got exhausted in just using LFD and Base while in the Alvarez he was never on fumes as well.
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Heine and Juliet >>>>> Berserkers as they were actually made with thought by Irene and she regard them highly as her children while those beserkers were just after thoughts and could knock back Erza easily...
Laxus fight with Wall can easily be poked through as Mira's fight with Jacob and Natsu fights in Alvarez were bs as shown with his recent performances against weaker adversaries lol.
Wall's punches was sending Laxus flying across the streets. This is several times more impressive than anything Jacob has ever shown. So yeah, Wall is still one of the more impressive Spriggans when it comes to hand to hand. Let's not pretend that Jacob isn't making terrible decisions throughout the series as well. Here's difference between the two: Wall is actually awesome at hand to hand combat and hits like a truck despite making multiple poor decisions throughout his fights. Jacob is mediocre at hand to hand combat and his mistake is relying on his meh hand to hand skills instead of taking advantage of his actual magic. Plus, I don't want to hear anything about "retarded decisions" when Jacob choosing to close his eyes is the grand-daddy of poor decisions.
Just compare how Acnologia was getting knocked back by Jellal's attacks and compare it to how Juliet and Heine were completely unmoved by Satan Soul's blasts. Every single moment in Jellal's fight is more impressive than anything base Satan Soul has ever done. Through the entire series. Combined. The fact that Jellal can block Acnologia's attack means that he would be able defend against Mirajane's one attempt at using Alegria. Every single attack Jellal uses afterward is a moment where Mirajane would be exhausted and unable to defend herself. Grand Chariot was Jellal's finisher. It was the attack that Acnologia chose to eat, and made him decide that it was time to use his dragon form. So yeah. Neinhart being taken out by Grand Chariot is less embarassing than Jacob getting whacked around by base Mirajane and then knocked out by Satan Soul.
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Cobra's durability probably isn't better than Jellal's, as Jellal could survive Acnologia's dragon form crushing him with his claws. That being said, Cobra's durability probably isn't that bad himself, being a dragon slayer and all. Cobra has the feat of surviving being stepped on by the rock dragon during the GMG. Speaking of Jellal, Jellal didn't exhaust all of his magic power taking out Neinhart. When he fought August, August actually used some pretty impressive attacks to take him down. Only after that did Jellal face off against Acnologia, and he did better against both Acnologia's human and dragon form than many of the dragon slayers.
Neinhart being able to knock out Jellal is a testament to him having better attack power than Jacob. Jacob's barrage of attacks couldn't do anything to Natsu and Lucy. Natsu was pretty much completely unharmed, and was in good enough shape to go after August afterwards. Natsu is one thing, but Lucy was also in near optimal shape after Jacob's attacks. The only thing that is somewhat impressive about Jacob hand to hand is his skill in martial arts, but that means nothing when his actual attacks are completely underwhelming.
Jacob didn't make Natsu "resort" to anything, much less a reliance on tactics. Natsu was unwilling to go all out because he didn't want to damage the guild. When Natsu was given the opportunity to go all out, outside the guild, merely entering FDK mode had Jacob on the verge of defeat. If Natsu was willing to do that inside the guild, it wouldn't have mattered if Jacob used stealth.
Happy isn't one of the fastest things in the universe. He's just decently fast. It's not like Happy blitzed Jacob. Makarov threw Happy between Jacob's hands before he could clap. This is an example of Makarov's throwing and has nothing to do with Happy's speed. Was it comedy? Sure. That just means is that Jacob is somewhat of a joke. He was treated as a joke when he fought Natsu and Lucy. He was treated as an even bigger joke when he fought Mirajane.
Jacob was burning up from Natsu merely entering FDK mode, which is just Natsu releasing some FDK flames. Natsu hadn't even touched Jacob with any actual flames yet, and Jacob is already on the verge of being defeated. The actual demolition fist floored Jacob and knocked him out cold. Jacob was left in his underwear with his butt up in the air. Madmole took demolition fist like a champ. He actually made Natsu hurt his own hand. Natsu had to step up his game and use a new spell in FDK purgatory to win an exchange against Madmole. Madmole ended up tanking that attack too. Madmole completely outclasses Jacob in durability.
Bloodman wasn't going to defeat Gajeel with his 2nd seal. Gajeel would have broken out of it the same way he broke out of Over Skelter later on, which was a stronger curse anyways. The only thing stopping Gajeel from ripping Bloodman apart was his inability to touch him. Once Gajeel could touch him, it took a matter of seconds for Bloodman to get ripped apart. Gajeel being able to push Natsu to near exhaustion is a testament to how strong Gajeel is. Gajeel simply gave Natsu a much tougher fight than Jacob did. Natsu's all beat up fighting Gajeel and running low on power. He was in good enough condition to take on August. Natsu was barely even fatigued after fighting Jacob. Lucy was also in near optimal shape. That's how little damage Jacob managed to inflict.
Laxus doesn't need Mirajane's feats. Laxus defended against one of the largest AoE attacks in the series in Ajeel's sand of death. Laxus likely would have killed Ajeel if August had stepped in. He actually did kill Wall with the very first attack that Wall wasn't immune to. He defeated the historia of Hades right after fighting Wall. The next day, he was out and about fighting Acnologia. Mirajane exhausted herself fighting Juliet and Heine. Then she got toyed by Irene, and almost killed by August. Then Mirajane fought Jacob who refused to keep his eyes open, and Jacob is already underwhelming enough even when he's fighting with his eyes open. Laxus fought the stronger Spriggan and did more damage.
Even if you say that Mirajane was exhausted when she was fighting Jacob that doesn't make it the least bit more impressive. Mirajane is only exhausted because she used up all her power fighting Juliet and Heine. There's no need to prove that Laxus can fight a Spriggan when heavily exhausted, because Laxus doesn't get heavily exhausted fighting fodders. Laxus doesn't even run out of power after using attacks that can kill Spriggans. Laxus has shown that he can kill Wall, beat Hades, and then go on the next day to fight Acnologia without running low on magic. Do you think Laxus would use up all his power fighting Juliet and Heines, get bullied by Irene, and then go on the next day to fight Jacob exhausted? No. Laxus would blast the ever-loving soul out of Juliet and Heine with the nuke he dropped on Ajeel, put up at least as much of a fight against Irene as he did against Acnologia, and then rip Jacob's spine out of his back like he did with Wall. Scaling Laxus to Mirajane's feats would be a strict downgrade from his objectively more impressive feats.
Juliet and Heine may have been superior to an individual berserker, possibly even a few of them. They weren't superior to the whole army. In fact, I'm going to go out on a limb and say Juliet and Heine wouldn't be able to take on the entire army even if they weren't under berserker. If you're suggesting that Juliet and Heine would be enough to take out Erza, that is simply wrong. Erza at her best broke Irene's meteor, which is a far more powerful enchantment than Juliet and Heine. Erza consistently outperforms Mirajane in every arc, including and especially the Alvarez arc.
