Chapter Tower of God Spin-Off: Urek Mazino Chapter 70 Spoilers & Discussion

[Shiinhye1]

It's been a pleasure to join you all through the end of the spin-off; I hope we'll see each other again when TOG returns.

 

[Epic_Rider]

I believe SIU used that wording to confuse the fans.

That would be straight up obfuscation, not confusion.

A rift can be reopened. Headon, that sly transcendental being, will bring her "whole."

Even if she is alive, from what little we know of her, she has no desire to be in the Tower.

the truth that the KING is hiding, given he's not the real Zahard according to Enne. We don't know what Zahard did after Enne was sealed.

Him not being the real Jahad is just him fragmenting himself into copies like Wangnan and Karaka.

 

[Big-Bird]

They're prisoners of their own mind already, almost every last one of them so even the Tower's "Fate" isn't doing the heavy lifting on their oppression.

The Irregulars contribute to it as even more as they also designed the system of their oppression and refined it even further over tens of thousands of years.

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I don’t see what that has to do with the fact that TOG is a predetermined universe where fate is a real thing, and that it can only be changed by special individuals/means

The Tower's "Fate" is not responsible for Baek inheriting the power of an Irregular, this is literally an outside equation not under the Tower's control in the first place because of glaringly obvious reasons.

Baek literally had zero chance to explore or know if he was ever actually tied down, from the get-go it was his father that attached those chains to him and made him fear his own gift.

He doesn't even need a contract with the Admin to use his gift which is described as an actual shackle unlike every other Towerborn we know outside living ignition weapons.

Well, yes, it does, that how fate work
unless his Irregular powers also grant him Irregular nature to him and his predecessor, it does

Huh, I don’t recall that ever being mentioned, but firstly, it was established as early as Season 1 that, to a certain extent, you can use Shinsu without a contract; but also, with Season 3 and the ‘dump people’, you can really question whether this is actually necessary for everyone, given that Ratna Grah clearly states she was born there, which means she never climbed the tower, and so never made a contract (unless you think she's a GF descendant, but that just a theory)

It’s described as being restrictive only for Baam, which makes sense , his irregular nature means he already has unrestricted use of Shinsu

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Huh, I don’t recall that ever being mentioned, but firstly, it was established as early as Season 1 that, to a certain extent, you can use Shinsu without a contract; but also, with Season 3 and the ‘dump people’, you can really question whether this is actually necessary for everyone, given that Ratna Grah clearly states she was born there, which means she never climbed the tower, and so never made a contract (unless you think she's a GF descendant, but that just a theory)

To a certain extent meaning feeling the shit and basically using the equivalent of little sparks.

Season 1 establishes it quite early on that the only other person known to freely control Shinsoo without a contract was Urek AKA an Irregular.

And Ratna Gra is not a proper Towerborn, she's trash from the Great warriors born from everything they threw there into the Red dump, they're not representative of the normal Towerborns just like Gustang's "Family".

Well, yes, it does, that how fate work
unless his Irregular powers also grant him Irregular nature to him and his predecessor, it does

The Tower has zero idea what to do with Baek's powers so yes, in a way he does benefit from that nature by inheriting the gift.

Considering it can even draw in creatures from the Outside as they stated, Baek is definitely under zero control by the Tower here.

 

[B.Nixus3]

Yes, since they would be Shinies or hybrids.

If Jahad can't produce children, Urek CERTAINLY can't. He's not human at all (even if he's a humanoid in appearance). He's like the angel Gabriel (or Michael), where Phanta is Lucifer & Baam is caught in between the two (as the tower's future axis).

In some sense, it's hilarious that Urek would fight against others' fate when he's 1000% fixated on following his own fate. Looking out for (and guiding, as an angel does) the tower's axis to team up & defeat Phantaminum is his current goal, though I'm sure that's more his side quest (recruiting a similarly-powered ally).

It might also be why he's against the Revolution; I think they are following a course Jahad set up for them & they don't even know it, but Urek does.

What are the odds Baam actually turns toward Phantaminum & allies against Urek in the future (just got SIU to get his mass kicks like AoT)?

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Even baek can see past(maybe even future we dont know) and it(Shinsoo) tells him alot about all things like he himself has said
also there are many those who can see future and also there are some limitations on that , for example V was afraid of zahard hearing him being there but if zahard can see future then how come that Zahard didn't see that moment ? V waasn't afraid of zahards ability to see fate or like that and surely there is a limit what you can see and all that .

khell hellam also can see but it doesn't mean that future wont be changed if someone changes even small piece so fate thing doesn't work at all , Hell V says that baam was destined yet really really ? Since when baam was destined ? the guy doesn't care at all it was forced upon him otherwise baam doesn't gives a ratss about that thing nor he cares about zahard it's opposite that those guys care about baam but not baam himself LoL those guys do not let baam to choose his own path and that's all.


And i also wanted to say about zahard's blood from where that snake got zahards blood ? surely zahard didn't gave him that if zahard was against making a new princess to ressurect arlene and i have problems with ressurection cuz zahard doesn't have anything like that, it will be someone else who will ressurect arlene for him (if it was zahards plan) , and if it was all Arlenes plan then something went way off because there we have mago now LoL and arlenes plan went somewhere else and story is changed by someone . and also if zahard sees future and really loves arlene then he shouldn't give that order to kill that princess and all that but unlikely zahards future seeing ability is so good the guy couldn't even see V in baams body(when baam was in his own hands) nor in the past nor in future nor in anywhere .


This story is so damn vague and big we can only speculate about that this whole thing ended as a vague story where we know nothing about this whole story what's going on because siu either is trying to confuse us or he is himself confused cuz story itself is too big and he cannot handle such thing maybe.

And if i were siu i'd make novel to make my followers happy but nothing like that we will get ever sadly ...

Regarding the snake, I believe

For the tower and towerborn fate is absolutely a thing
And irregular can change it, showing that fate is something choosed and imposed by the tower, so actually Urek is objectively wrong in that exchange with Baek, if the tower still acknowledged Baek as a towerborn, then he do have a fate

Z chatting with baam do imply there a "real" fate

Tough now, im usure if Baam fate is a real fate or just someone strong imposing his will, like Traum choosing to kill Laura and saying it's fate

Irregulars are still bound by "fate." Only axes can definitively change that, though irregulars CAN fight against their fates (not sure about the success rate though, given what we've seen so far)

 

[Demonspeed]

If Jahad can't produce children, Urek CERTAINLY can't. He's not human at all (even if he's a humanoid in appearance). He's like the angel Gabriel (or Michael), where Phanta is Lucifer & Baam is caught in between the two (as the tower's future axis).

In some sense, it's hilarious that Urek would fight against others' fate when he's 1000% fixated on following his own fate. Looking out for (and guiding, as an angel does) the tower's axis to team up & defeat Phantaminum is his current goal, though I'm sure that's more his side quest (recruiting a similarly-powered ally).

It might also be why he's against the Revolution; I think they are following a course Jahad set up for them & they don't even know it, but Urek does.

What are the odds Baam actually turns toward Phantaminum & allies against Urek in the future (just got SIU to get his mass kicks like AoT)?

Zahard can have children, it has to be with specific people. I talked about the possibility of Urek having children and how his unpopularity with women helps SIU months ago.

Baam has no reason to join Phanta? I don't think Phanta will appear for him too. He left his Shinies there for a reason. The Shinies's goal is also to devour the whole Tower so they don't have a specific person in mind.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Him not being the real Jahad is just him fragmenting himself into copies like Wangnan and Karaka.

That's not for certain. We don't know the full details about what Zahard did with himself. We just have theories.

Even if she is alive, from what little we know of her, she has no desire to be in the Tower.

I don't agree; you underestimate a mother's pain. I believe the final dagger to Zahard will be put in by Arlene. She will definitely be involved in Zahard's death.

That would be straight up obfuscation, not confusion.

Again, no, because everything is up to readers' interpretation.

 

[Demonspeed]

V and Arlen aren't defeating Zahard or getting a happy ending LOL.

 

[maverickframe_19]

V and Arlen aren't defeating Zahard or getting a happy ending LOL.

That goes against the whole plot on which TOG is built. Who are you convincing? Zahard is getting killed; Arlene will get her revenge. How is that not a happy ending for Arlene or V?

 

[white_light]

Baam can defeat Zahard, V's soul can get flushed down the toilet before that happens for all I care.

Arlene I still wanna know more about but it seems to go in a similar-ish direction.

 

[Demonspeed]

That goes against the whole plot on which TOG is built. Who are you convincing? Zahard is getting killed; Arlene will get her revenge. How is that not a happy ending for Arlene or V?

Baam will kill Zahard. He will deal with V and Arlen too and he will deal with them first.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

I think most are talking about how strong shinies will be, I wonder how strong guys like gogojung will be, with the gem, he might stay as undercover in whs. I feel he might be regent at the current timeline

 

[white_light]

I think most are talking about how strong shinies will be, I wonder how strong guys like gogojung will be, with the gem, he might stay as undercover in whs. I feel he might be regent at the current timeline

Waiting for the character development arc where he comes back as a hunk just to fuck with us

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Waiting for the character development arc where he comes back as a hunk just to fuck with us

–Just to get back into default settings when that gem is smashed showing he didn't earn that shit, I pray for such delicious food lile this.

 

[O_n_Sly]

S4 tomorrow?!

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I think most are talking about how strong shinies will be, I wonder how strong guys like gogojung will be, with the gem, he might stay as undercover in whs. I feel he might be regent at the current timeline

LMFAO!!!! No one gives a fck about any of that fodder!!!

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

S4 tomorrow?!

Yes. SIU in the old notice said spin off and return of S4 immediately. Usually we see the hiatus notice

 

[O_n_Sly]

MFers be talking crazy in here!!! Gogojung at “regent” lvl, even though we saw lame, pathetic, weak ass Garam on FoD!!! LMFAO!!!!

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

S4 tomorrow?!

He said he will "return in good health" so we most likely have a hiatus

 

[Demonspeed]

Not expecting S4 tomorrow at all but the thread has been created since 2024 .

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Not expecting S4 tomorrow at all but the thread has been created since 2024 .

2 years ago??? Seriously

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How time flies, man

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MFers be talking crazy in here!!! Gogojung at “regent” lvl, even though we saw lame, pathetic, weak ass Garam on FoD!!! LMFAO!!!!

Don't underestimate the power of chosen hero. The gem

 

[Big-Bird]

To a certain extent meaning feeling the shit and basically using the equivalent of little sparks.

Season 1 establishes it quite early on that the only other person known to freely control Shinsoo without a contract was Urek AKA an Irregular.

And Ratna Gra is not a proper Towerborn, she's trash from the Great warriors born from everything they threw there into the Red dump, they're not representative of the normal Towerborns just like Gustang's "Family".

We don’t know; we know it’s possible below a certain amount, but we don’t know what that amount is.
Hoh could produce a baang, but it was never stated, nor even implied, that Hoh was the limit of what could be done without a contract.
It’s one of the mysteries of the lore that has never been explained and which was probably deliberately left vague to allow for some flexibility.

She is, yes, she’s the descendant of those Towerborn guys whom the FH didn’t like and locked up down there; she’s just as much a Towerborn as anyone else. Her strength is simply a case of forced natural selection.
and if we really have to say she's different then it would be that she's closest thing to pure Towerborns, free from external influence, that we’ve seen since the start of the series, given that her and her people live outside the Z empire system that change a lot of things


Gus’s librarians are artificial life forms based on his emotional spectra; they’re completely different and have no equivalent, yet

The Tower has zero idea what to do with Baek's powers so yes, in a way he does benefit from that nature by inheriting the gift.

Considering it can even draw in creatures from the Outside as they stated, Baek is definitely under zero control by the Tower here.

I’m sorry, but absolutely none of this implies that Baek is outside of fate.
TOG is very clear on the subject of fate an Irregular’s power isn’t what matters, it’s their nature that determines it.
Baek can have as much Irregular power as he likes and can do as much weird shenningan as he want ; if he isn’t considered an Irregular, then he remains subject to the same rules as all other Towerborn who aren’t Guides.

And I’ve seen nothing to suggest that he is; even Gus doesn’t consider him as such and still regards Baek as insignificant.

Irregulars are still bound by "fate." Only axes can definitively change that, though irregulars CAN fight against their fates (not sure about the success rate though, given what we've seen so far)

They certainly are, at least, that’s what Z implies, and he knows his stuff.
But I’m talking about the fate of the tower, where the Irregulars are very explicitly and repeatedly described as being immune to fate, existing beyond it and able to passively alter it through their mere actions, whilst Z being a level above could directly and consciously manipulate it.