Here we are in a comparative between Mirajane and FT Top 3. You don't want Erza because she is part of Main team. So we need to compare Mira to Laxus or Gildarts.
If we also can't use Laxus, then it only remains Gildarts. Right ?
Gildarts is never in the story but by hype, he is the benchmark : they used his hype to show how Kirin and Misaki are strong and more than a threat.
Even Laxus was in fear sensing such MP level.
Can you compare Mirajane to that hype ? Because Laxus and Erza have a clean comparison in the end of their battles, specially Erza who removed Misaki's MP level.
You’re the one who mentioned Laxus first not me.
Wasn’t talking about how strong characters are but the fact that Hiro will give some characters more/better feats than others
Of course because you said that it's normal for side characters to not have same spotlight to Main Cast. And I agree.
The point here is that people compare Mira to Erza, laxus or Gildarts.
If we can't use MC as a comparative, it only remains Laxus and Gildarts. As Gildarts is never in the Serie, I picked Laxus as the Side remaining character of the 3.
Of course because you said that it's normal for side characters to not have same spotlight to Main Cast. And I agree.
The point here is that people compare Mira to Erza, laxus or Gildarts.
If we can't use MC as a comparative, it only remains Laxus and Gildarts. As Gildarts is never in the Serie, I picked Laxus as the Side remaining character of the 3.
again I said most not all.
I already know those three are stronger than Mira I’m not arguing about that, I’m talking about how some characters get more feats than other
I agree with you. Laxus is clearly under spotlight in the Quest. Presented as the FT beast. Agree that Jellal has good hype and feats, as the second side Character.
Mira and Elfman have some points recently but on a lower level. I hope their battle will not turn offscreen.
Jubia, well she is part of Grey, so even as a side character, it's normal we see her with her lover.
Gajeel is in the black list and I don"t know why, specially as a Dragon Slayer. He needs more feats and moments. I hope he will come and help Grey and Jubia who seem to be magicless. This guy needs to shine again.
* Gildarts' magic is extreme and I don't know how she can protect against it. She can dodge but Gildarts is agile and fast as well.
I can see it as a low diff, and it's no disrespect.
* Laxus is also a striker. Even in base, he crushed tanks like Mardmole and Skullion so I think he can KO in a few hits. Low Diff to Mid Diff if Mirajane has time to use all her abilities (I don't think so because Laxus is expeditive in battle).
* Against Erza, it will be longer because Erza is analyst and a tank, not a striker or as agressive as Laxus. They will "play" in a fight where speed and technics should be approximative for a moment. But Erza is a tank and I think, Mirajane has no weapon to take her down. In a battle with no affinity involved, if Erza sees her as a threat for Fairy Tail, I can see her putting down Mirajane quickly with few shots. Mid Diff to Low Diff (Mirajane as a threat for FT), depending on Erza's mood to fight.
* Gildarts' magic is extreme and I don't know how she can protect against it. She can dodge but Gildarts is agile and fast as well.
I can see it as a low diff, and it's no disrespect.
* Laxus is also a striker. Even in base, he crushed tanks like Mardmole and Skullion so I think he can KO in a few hits. Low Diff to Mid Diff if Mirajane has time to use all her abilities (I don't think so because Laxus is expeditive in battle).
Against Erza, it will be longer because Erza is analyst and a tank, not a striker or as agressive as Laxus. They will "play" in a fight where speed and technics should be approximative for a moment. But Erza is a tank and I think, Mirajane has no weapon to take her down. In a battle with no affinity involved, if Erza sees her as a threat for Fairy Tail, I can see her putting down Mirajane quickly with few shots. Mid Diff to Low Diff, depending on Erza's mood to fight.
* Gildarts' magic is extreme and I don't know how she can protect against it. She can dodge but Gildarts is agile and fast as well.
I can see it as a low diff, and it's no disrespect.
* Laxus is also a striker. Even in base, he crushed tanks like Mardmole and Skullion so I think he can KO in a few hits. Low Diff to Mid Diff if Mirajane has time to use all her abilities (I don't think so because Laxus is expeditive in battle).
* Against Erza, it will be longer because Erza is analyst and a tank, not a striker or as agressive as Laxus. They will "play" in a fight where speed and technics should be approximative for a moment. But Erza is a tank and I think, Mirajane has no weapon to take her down. In a battle with no affinity involved, if Erza sees her as a threat for Fairy Tail, I can see her putting down Mirajane quickly with few shots. Mid Diff to Low Diff (Mirajane as a threat for FT), depending on Erza's mood to fight.
Yes you are . You've just met your match @AmitDS hahaha . Erza fans are the biggest narrative abusers. "Oh mashima said Erza is stronger than natsu, oh the narrative places Erza above natsu" etc. now you've met someone who can abuse narrative to push his favorite. Hey @AmitDS you should also focus on Lucy fans don't let them go Scot free hahaha
Yes you are . You've just met your match @AmitDS hahaha . Erza fans are the biggest narrative abusers. "Oh mashima said Erza is stronger than natsu, oh the narrative places Erza above natsu" etc. now you've met someone who can abuse narrative to push his favorite. Hey @AmitDS you should also focus on Lucy fans don't let them go Scot free hahaha
Are you admitting Mirajane on the level of those 3 ? Even without speaking of Erza as a fan, can you compare Mira to Laxus ?
Speaking of fan, you are, don't you ?
Well, it's ok if people think she is.
Mira is strong, nothing suggest she is a rival for those 3. But yes, we can agree to disagree.
I'm seeing her as strong as the other characters and Mashima sees her tbh. I didn't say her or Laxus would be in the center since the strongest are in the middle, I didn't make Gray scared of her, I didn't write Laxus warning Jellal about her, I didn't say I'd put her, Laxus and Gildarts on the same team to win the GMG and I didn't hype her and Erza as the most reliable duo.
Did I ever said Mirajane is weak ?
I always said Mirajane is strong, one of the strongest, but not on the top trio.
Mashima just admitted he keeps FT's powerscaling the same and she was already hyped as Laxus, Erza and Jellal tier so you are still diminishing her.
They can be in the middle and the strongest opponents remaining for Natsu. That's true. To be in same place doesn't proove Mirajane = Laxus, specially when no one is aware about Laxus' new Mode.
I think the comparative between Erza and Laxus is clear all along in the Quest. You put Mirajane on par about a geographic statement ?
4 characters in same place can be the 4 strongest remaining, this is not a rivalry suggestion between them.
There you are again twisting stuff. It's not a geographical statement, Natsu assumed the strongest enemies would be in the center so Mira or Laxus or Jellal would be there i.e. they are each, in his eyes, the apex, peak, strongest enemies. He doesn't differentiate between Laxus, Mira or Jellal. In the same arc Erza outright shows she's on Laxus tier. The author is aware of all of their skills and he made Natsu say that. Also red lightning was introduced a year before in the story as was Alegria. So maybe Natsu doesn't know about her tartaros takeoevers or Alegria either ?
Erza is loosing so far ? She injured Motherglare and she just turned Dragon. Erza won't win the battle alone, it's sure, but the battle just began.
Laxus is trap into hax. One, perhaps Gajeel or Cobra, will rescue him and he will have his revenge.
Yes she is losing, Motherglare took one slash because it was a DS sword and is just pressuring her with fodder. Erza shows no signs of equaling or overpowering her as of now. OK cool so neither Laxus or Erza are winning and Mira hasn't fought. So what's your point?
Mirajane didn't engage the battle but they are already 4. And Wendy will add Dragon Slayer effect to everyone while Erza doesn't need it.
Aren't you the one saying Gajeel and Cobra might help her lol? You guys are funny, Laxus is knocked out, Erza is fighting fodder and not winning but it's an anti feat that Mira hasn't fought. However, had she fought was was being pressured I'm sure you all would try to say Scissor runner is weaker than the others OR Mira is losing worst that Laxus or Erza.
My point stands. Laxus is knocked out, Erza has no signs of victory and Mira didn't fight yet before a team came.
Also dragon slaying attributes doesn't mean one character is stronger than another. And Mira has Daemon's acid which worked on Aldoron so...
Agree. Mirajane has no feats on Laxus' level. He is part of the 3 aces and a side character.
She has no feats failing to put her on that level though since lack of feats fail to debunk hype and statements. Even if you want to bring up Madmole and Skullion, Erza did worse than Laxus vs them and tied with Laxus.
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On topic. Macro hard counters all of the other S class mages since bind snake, kyria's hypnosis, brandish's shrinking have worked on them in 100 years quest. And we've never seen any of them (notably Erza) counter macro. Erza was actually shown helpless against it before mira saved her.
Mira's magical power is actually what's hyped about her. She casually boiled away part of the ocean and sent heine and julliet into a panic by simply existing in Alegria and this was after they noted her as another apart from Makarov with great magical power. This was the same arc having more power than Makarov was shocking to Gray (meeting Brandish) so likely Erza's power was not above this. Laxus as spriggan tier with Jellal would have more during alvarez
She also has macro which hard counters Laxus, Erza and Gildarts since we've seen weaker people like Kyria pull off hypnosis on Laxus/Erza and Erza is already a victim of it for Mira to remote control. Nothing implies or indicated that they can counter Macro or in Erza'a case Jellal's bind snake too.
I'm seeing her as strong as the other characters and Mashima sees her tbh. I didn't say her or Laxus would be in the center since the strongest are in the middle, I didn't make Gray scared of her, I didn't write Laxus warning Jellal about her, I didn't say I'd put her, Laxus and Gildarts on the same team to win the GMG and I didn't hype her and Erza as the most reliable duo.
Mashima just admitted he keeps FT's powerscaling the same and she was already hyped as Laxus, Erza and Jellal tier so you are still diminishing her.
There you are again twisting stuff. It's not a geographical statement, Natsu assumed the strongest enemies would be in the center so Mira or Laxus or Jellal would be there i.e. they are each, in his eyes, the apex, peak, strongest enemies. He doesn't differentiate between Laxus, Mira or Jellal. In the same arc Erza outright shows she's on Laxus tier. The author is aware of all of their skills and he made Natsu say that. Also red lightning was introduced a year before in the story as was Alegria. So maybe Natsu doesn't know about her tartaros takeoevers or Alegria either ?
Yes she is losing, Motherglare took one slash because it was a DS sword and is just pressuring her with fodder. Erza shows no signs of equaling or overpowering her as of now. OK cool so neither Laxus or Erza are winning and Mira hasn't fought. So what's your point?
Aren't you the one saying Gajeel and Cobra might help her lol? You guys are funny, Laxus is knocked out, Erza is fighting fodder and not winning but it's an anti feat that Mira hasn't fought. However, had she fought was was being pressured I'm sure you all would try to say Scissor runner is weaker than the others OR Mira is losing worst that Laxus or Erza.
My point stands. Laxus is knocked out, Erza has no signs of victory and Mira didn't fight yet before a team came.
Also dragon slaying attributes doesn't mean one character is stronger than another. And Mira has Daemon's acid which worked on Aldoron so...
She has no feats failing to put her on that level though since lack of feats fail to debunk hype and statements. Even if you want to bring up Madmole and Skullion, Erza did worse than Laxus vs them and tied with Laxus.
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On topic. Macro hard counters all of the other S class mages since bind snake, kyria's hypnosis, brandish's shrinking have worked on them in 100 years quest. And we've never seen any of them (notably Erza) counter macro. Erza was actually shown helpless against it before mira saved her.
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Mira's magical power is actually what's hyped about her. She casually boiled away part of the ocean and sent heine and julliet into a panic by simply existing in Alegria and this was after they noted her as another apart from Makarov with great magical power. This was the same arc having more power than Makarov was shocking to Gray (meeting Brandish) so likely Erza's power was not above this. Laxus as spriggan tier with Jellal would have more during alvarez
She also has macro which hard counters Laxus, Erza and Gildarts since we've seen weaker people like Kyria pull off hypnosis on Laxus/Erza and Erza is already a victim of it for Mira to remote control. Nothing implies or indicated that they can counter Macro or in Erza'a case Jellal's bind snake too.
You said it yourself characters weaker than them can fall to their hax. It's always Mira's hax macro is the only way she can beat someone of their level. By your definition she can't beat any of them with power but has to rely solo on hax. It's clear she isn't on their level. Otherwise yall wouldn't rely on Macro and not her strongest form Alergia form.
Fairy tail scaling has changed a bit. Erza was never put on a pedestal with Gildarts till she learnt enchantments.
Mira was compared to Laxus back in the Aldoron arc. After they got power ups Erza and Laxus have been comparable to Gildarts. Mira has not.
You said it yourself characters weaker than them can fall to their hax. It's always Mira's hax macro is the only way she can beat someone of their level. By your definition she can't beat any of them with power but has to rely solo on hax. It's clear she isn't on their level. Otherwise yall wouldn't rely on Macro and not her strongest form Alergia form.
Fairy tail scaling has changed a bit. Erza was never put on a pedestal with Gildarts till she learnt enchantments.
Mira was compared to Laxus back in the Aldoron arc. After they got power ups Erza and Laxus have been comparable to Gildarts. Mira has not.
No, you all don't want to acknowledge she's on their level so let's use hax. After all, people couldn't shut up about Kyria's hax back when those chapters dropped so I want to play too. Why use Alegria? You'll just claim Erza would beat it somehow? Nah I want to use hax too.
If it was so clear she wasn't on their level then characters like Gray and Natsu wouldn't be wanking her all the time, admitting inferiority or comparing her to Laxus, Jellal. She wouldn't be S class, wouldn't be lumped with Erza as a duo and Mashima's statement about keeping the original scaling the same would not exist. Alas, these are all there and you all still have no feats, statements or hype proving she is not on their level.
@Bold, at least you admit he was compared to them in that arc. Mira took over Daemon and possibly the rest of Faris' demons. So there's your power up. Also why would she not improve if Jellal, Laxus and Erza showed new stuff? And in her case, we saw it happen unlike Jerza's. And this power grants her intangibility. oxygen removal and acid that worked on Aldoron all boosted by her S class Laxus/Jellal/Erza tiered level you admit she had, days ago in the Aldoron arc?
Natsu compared her power wise to Jellal and Laxus; the author compared her to Erza by making them the 2 most reliable members in the guild when Gilarts and Laxus were gone and when he admitted to not changing the FT power levels, and now Mira's shown powering up by taking over new demons apart from potential off panel progression/understood progression for new arcs.
So not only can't you guys prove she's not on Erza's tier as she's hyped and stated to be, you all can't debunk her using Macro to low diff Erza on paper. Of course Mashima would not write Erza vs Mira like this.
It's arguable that it was in the first place. Mira said her takeovers use a lot of magic however the trade off as we saw is her amazing destructive power. Her having stamina issues were more of a fan theory. Despite her alleged stamina issues she fought erza as an equal in their childhood and this involved her using sitri and Erza using armadura. Had Mira had stamina issues, she would have burnt through magic before stamina queen erza and would have never been a rival.
Fast forward to Azuma's fight where she states her abilities use a lot of magic and she still thought she could beat him if she put all her power into attacking, the exact same conclusion Erza arrived to.
In Tartaros she was fine. She used BSS and Sitri with no sign of exhaustion or 'stamina' issues.
Then in alvarez she used Alegria but this was her ace and the fact that it scared Heine and Julliet, boiled away part of the sea and caued a mushroom cloud when they were basically destroyed shows how deadly it was. Mira herself said it uses a lot of magic. People confuse Alegria with her standard magic.
Now we have her using BSS, Seilah and Alegria back to back and being fine ready for a calamity blood. Where are the stamina issues?