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Zoro is in a weird spot. He has in fact used cladding before however he literally never noticed or suspected it. He is THAT clueless. On top of that he hasn't even used his willpower to overpower the will of the weak consciously either. Like his cladding he did it without noticing. And it's not like zoro can't feel conqueror haki, he has identified it on the spot before like when luffy used it at fishman island to delete half of arlong's army. And the sad part is that all zoro has to do to use conqueror haki is simply pour all of his power into his blade. Next time he does it he is probably going "wait, that's cladding? Lolz" and then just overkills sommers.
I thinking the same, he's so clueless that he didn't notice it until someone says: THAT'S ACOC YOU MORON! And then he: That's it? Boring, i can use it since my fight with King.
 

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I think it would be fun if the "Letter" and "Tool" that Biblo and his Family have been guarding and hiding for many years would turn out to be a Poneglyph(As the letter obviously) and as for the Tool either the Sword or Shield that Nika is depicted with in all those murals and hype flashbacks. Either one would be fine, hand it to Luffy and take away Imu's immortality or some shit.

Other than that, i don't think there are many Characters in OP where i felt as satisfied when they got their asses kicked or straight up scared as Saint Sommers. Dude pissed his pants twice in one arc, he and Killingham are definitely getting a severe trashing back in Mariejois. Maybe the Saturn treatment even.

Gaban and Zoro have showed him good. Meanwhile Sanji still needs to figure out how to even use Conquerors Haki. Was kinda hoping he wouldn't have it in the first place to be honest, but oh well.
 

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Dude pissed his pants twice in one arc, he and Killingham are definitely getting a severe trashing back in Mariejois. Maybe the Saturn treatment even.
Gaban and Zoro have showed him good. Meanwhile Sanji still needs to figure out how to even use Conquerors Haki. Was kinda hoping he wouldn't have it in the first place to be honest, but oh well.
Thrice, I'd say. There was that time with Luffy and Thor Rifle, too :cheez
 

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I am just glad they didn't show Sommers' pants, because I am pretty sure he defecated himself.
And peed as well. After all if somehow Zoro did this right first time Sommers would be already dead. 🤭
 

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If Zoro slashed through the thorns only with haki, for me, means he stronger than Sommers even with pure haki, dude cut through like it was nothing, even without space to move properly.
 

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I thinking the same, he's so clueless that he didn't notice it until someone says: THAT'S ACOC YOU MORON! And then he: That's it? Boring, i can use it since my fight with King.
Not sure if my point got through but I don't think zoro has noticed he used it at all. I think it's more likely we get something like "Huh, so this is cladding. Surprisingly easy to use considering it's the first time ever. I must be a genius." while us readers facepalm at him using it since he fought kaido.
 

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The only thing about this chapter that I find interesting is the sword fight to come between Zoro and Shiryuu. I think, that'll be a deadly fight and bring out Zoro's full potential of his training under Mihawk. :cookiestare
 

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I am just glad they didn't show Sommers' pants, because I am pretty sure he defecated himself.
No, Oda should show this. Like right as Zoro announces his finisher, a small but separate panel zooms in on his ass then the next panel shows his surprised face, then the next one zooms in on his ass again but this time with shit smudged all over. Then we see his iron heart get sliced to smitherines and then it zooms out to show Sommers being sliced to bits, including his shit stain. Edit: I realized that this might sound like I am talking about Zoro's ass but I am actually talking about Sommer's ass ofc.

This asshole deserves this. He deserve to have us, the audience and all of Elbaph see him in such a sad and pitiful state and lastly, he deserves zero pity and zero quarter from us. Fuck Sommers. No. Fuck all of these god knight mofos. At least a select few CDs can turn a new leaf. There is literally 0 redemption for GKs.
 

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No, Oda should show this. Like right as Zoro announces his finisher, a small but separate panel zooms in on his ass then the next panel shows his surprised face, then the next one zooms in on his ass again but this time with shit smudged all over. Then we see his iron heart get sliced to smitherines and then it zooms out to show Sommers being sliced to bits, including his shit stain. Edit: I realized that this might sound like I am talking about Zoro's ass but I am actually talking about Sommer's ass ofc.

This asshole deserves this. He deserve to have us, the audience and all of Elbaph see him in such a sad and pitiful state and lastly, he deserves zero pity and zero quarter from us. Fuck Sommers. No. Fuck all of these god knight mofos. At least a select few CDs can turn a new leaf. There is literally 0 redemption for GKs.
LOL WHAT?!
 

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I'd also argue that Luffy learned CoC imbuement rather quickly.
It's not even a debate about Luffy being the most talented combat-wise.
He figured out Kaido used CoC to defeat him, and he spent what, like several days in prison and then learnt Non-contact Armament, but he also learnt to use CoC against Kaido of all people. And then he defeated him.
Zoro was not even aware of it, he had to be told about it whereas Luffy despite being the dumbest actually figured it out on his own.

In fact, Luffy almost literally mastered it against Kaido under way more pressure and on the fly. Zoro is not more talented than Luffy in terms of ability to fight. He is extremely talented, but Luffy is just a notch above.

It's also not something people with CoC can do, they can be aware you can imbue it to fight, but knowing and doing are 2 different things. As Kaido said, only the best of the best of the best can even remotely dare to achieve that... those are the real Pirate King potentials.

Not sure why people still try to Zoro vs Luffy - Zoro can't even beat Sommers (yet), whereas Luffy is actually fighting Imu right now.
 

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You know? This whole business with advanced haki be it observation, atrament or even conqueror makes me feel like Blackbeard is lost cause. Because well, he put all his hope for being the strongest into having the strongest fruit/s. And since he's "opportunist" who make moves only when it's the easiest he also seem to be a slacker when it comes to actual training. I just can't imagine how much he would struggle while fighting at least Holy Knights, not to mention Elders or Imu himself. Law gave him quite hard time despit fact that he didn't become THAT much more powerful between Punk Hazard and end of Wano. Yeah, Blackbeard won't be final villain but I'm sure he will be final RIVAL for Luffy. They need to clash at some point and it deffinetly won't be AFTER dealing with Imu/WG.
 

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You know? This whole business with advanced haki be it observation, atrament or even conqueror makes me feel like Blackbeard is lost cause. Because well, he put all his hope for being the strongest into having the strongest fruit/s. And since he's "opportunist" who make moves only when it's the easiest he also seem to be a slacker when it comes to actual training. I just can't imagine how much he would struggle while fighting at least Holy Knights, not to mention Elders or Imu himself. Law gave him quite hard time despit fact that he didn't become THAT much more powerful between Punk Hazard and end of Wano. Yeah, Blackbeard won't be final villain but I'm sure he will be final RIVAL for Luffy. They need to clash at some point and it deffinetly won't be AFTER dealing with Imu/WG.
Law definitely became much stronger between punk hazard and the end of wano. Otherwise it'd make no sense that he'd have any amount of trouble with people like vergo or even doflamingo. The guy survived hits from big mom. Oda is too liberal for comfort when handing out powerups nowadays.

While I expect BB to be a conqueror haki user later on he maybe isn't limited to it when it comes to dealing with knights. The implication as of now is that conqueror haki does two thing when dealing with knights. The first is that it slows down regeneration. The second is that it has enough raw power to actually break the knight's steel hearts. If the issue is raw power and not some other hyper specific COC property then BB with the quake fruit alone having the raw power to break the hearts is at least a possibility. It's also plausible BB's ability to shut down devil fruits also shuts down... er, devil powers. It also opens up the possibility that folk who aren't yonko level but can situationally hit at that level can deal with knights. Say, nami with zeus.
 

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He figured out Kaido used CoC to defeat him, and he spent what, like several days in prison and then learnt Non-contact Armament, but he also learnt to use CoC against Kaido of all people. And then he defeated him.
Zoro was not even aware of it, he had to be told about it whereas Luffy despite being the dumbest actually figured it out on his own.
I mean, Luffy spent 2 years learning to master haki and still hadn’t figured out how to do it and then spent days of someone teaching him. Luffy also used CoC several times without knowing he did it and needed Rayleigh to train him on how to use it.

Zoro used it once without knowing what it was and was already doing it not even an hour after Gaban just told him it was possible and sent him on his way.
 

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I mean, Luffy spent 2 years learning to master haki and still hadn’t figured out how to do it and then spent days of someone teaching him. Luffy also used CoC several times without knowing he did it and needed Rayleigh to train him on how to use it.

Zoro used it once without knowing what it was and was already doing it not even an hour after Gaban just told him it was possible and sent him on his way.
He didn't need Rayleigh, Rayleigh chose to teach him and simply sped up the education process. People like Luffy would have figured this thing out eventually. No one told him one could Clad attacks with CoC, he learnt that on his own, Zoro had to be told if you're trying to suggest Zoro is the better. If Zoro were, he'd have known this without being told, Luffy figured it out without being told anything about CoC being wieldable.

Zoro knowing about it or not is actually irrelevant, fact is he has been using it.
Zoro used CoC against people without it, and almost died in the process - he barely won against King and barely defeated Lucci (someone who doesn't have it either).
Luffy has been fighting people with CoC, developed it whilst fighting CoC users (Emperors/Admirals) and defeated them.
Zoro is using it against someone without it - in a sense, in comparison, he's fighting fodder compared to the opponents Luffy is using it against.

We saw what Imu did to Zoro, CoC would not have changed that. Luffy actually held his own. So, there's literally no comparison to be made here. Zoro's simply inferior to Luffy no matter how you look at it. He was using it against Lucci and barely won/Luffy pretty much defeated an Admiral. There's a big difference in the level of skill in usage and power between the 2.
 

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He didn't need Rayleigh, Rayleigh chose to teach him and simply sped up the education process. People like Luffy would have figured this thing out eventually. No one told him one could Clad attacks with CoC, he learnt that on his own
Rayleigh literally had to explain it to him and trained him on it for months. Haki was all Rayleigh trained him on during the timeskip. Zoro presumably spent most of his time with Mihawk focusing on swordsmanship since it took until Wano for Zoro to know what black blades even are

Zoro had to be told if you're trying to suggest Zoro is the better.
I’m saying Zoro is a better and faster learner who is also better at figuring stuff out. Depending on how you interpret Zoro learning how to cut steel back in Alabasta, Zoro might have even learned rudimentary Haki before Luffy.

I’m not saying Zoro is stronger or even as close to strong as Luffy, because I’m pretty sure the gap in strength was made clear enough at least a decade ago. The last time Luffy not being definitely stronger was even debatable would have been like Thriller Bark imo.
 

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You people are so media illiteracy your not even worth engaging with anymore. Luckily I don't have to deal with you clowns much longer thank fuck.
You can't even write yet you're complaining about media literacy? Jesus. Hope you really don't have to deal with anyone anymore, you'll be doing a huge favor to the world.
 

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You can't even write yet you're complaining about media literacy? Jesus. Hope you really don't have to deal with anyone anymore, you'll be doing a huge favor to the world.
You’re clearly too media illiteracy. That dude is obviously very more much media literacy than you. 🤣
 

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Did Imu use all 3 kinds of Devil Fruit powers, so far in this battle?. :cookiestare
 
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