Chapter Mokushiroku no Yonkishi Chapter 254 Spoilers & Discussion

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[Yakkun]

Yes, but the film is now canon, because the new Japanese chapters include a description of Merlin and say that she helped defeat the supreme deity.

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What would be interesting is a combined god domain of the 4 graces.

That's rather irrelevant to the point I was making. I said the movie is shit either way even if its canon to illustrate that Nakaba doesn't really give a hoot about the goddesses and their clan and never really has. The SD was a joke in that movie, so was Mael. Just because Demonspeed pointed out that Mael would've been more relevant in the manga if he still had his Grace doesn't necessarily mean this is the case. Simply because Nakaba doesn't care about the goddesses either way. Mael may still have his Grace back regardless. His having little to no action in the manga so far isn't a good metric for comparison. Nakaba's favourites are clearly the demon clan (humans not counting)

 

[Mountain-Photo-165]

That's rather irrelevant to the point I was making. I said the movie is shit either way even if its canon to illustrate that Nakaba doesn't really give a hoot about the goddesses and their clan and never really has. The SD was a joke in that movie, so was Mael. Just because Demonspeed pointed out that Mael would've been more relevant in the manga if he still had his Grace doesn't necessarily mean this is the case. Simply because Nakaba doesn't care about the goddesses either way. Mael may still have his Grace back regardless. His having little to no action in the manga so far isn't a good metric for comparison. Nakaba's favourites are clearly the demon clan (humans not counting)

The Supreme Deity was weakened because she sacrificed her body along with the rest of her clan to seal away the demon king and the demon clan , she would have cooked the sins otherwise , she only materilized like Ludociel did for a short period of time as a soul but that state is vastly weaker than when she's in her original body.

 

[Zezu1995]

merlin prob took the grace from escanor before he died and gave it to gawain or atleast made a copy of it. cuz dawn ,sunshine and sun are literally all the same thing tho i guess its not confirmed .

 

[Heart_LoveXX]

I'm just rambling here...

Guess LotL can't do anything about Cath. You'd think with how she's obsessed with Lancelot she'd try....well something...

Okay, that panel of Lance doing Catch-a-Cath had me dying. It look so silly.

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So Cath got trauma huh......I forgot Gowther cursed his ass.....lol, imma need Gowther to cast nightmare teller on Cath one more time when he gets a chance. It would give me life.

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My boy Meliodas, has he even changed clothes? He really going through it. It hit even more when you see what Nakaba once said about Meliodas feelings.

PairSin Book - Interview: Of all the lines Meliodas and Elizabeth have said so far, which one is your favorite?
Nakaba: If I had to pick one favorite, it would be the lines Meliodas whispers to Elizabeth, who is injured and lying in bed in volume 13, saying, "Live for me." Those words truly represent Meliodas's true feelings and are also the guiding principle behind his actions.

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Anyway, I like Geldris moment. I like how Zeldris is so soft with Gelda (and Percy).

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Did Chaos Lance choose the Demon Realm cause he felt like they have a higher likelihood of survival, resistance, or good method of killing him due to the Behemoth's power? I mean, there also could be a chance that Percy can sense behemoths distress even an another realm since that's where he originated from. (It could be a nice tie in to how he ended up wandering to the Demon Realm as a toddler, showing that it really wasn't random)

Then again, given the title of the next chpt it's not gonna go well.

Cause the Behemoth can end up killing inhabitants and foe when it gets scared. But at the same time, this will be an interesting "matchup" because the life spirit literally governs life and death itself for all beings/races. Hell, by its function alone I'm surprised they don't also label it as a sort of God or at least God-like. Either way, for such a being I imagine that, besides it's death wave, it would have other immunities or strong resistance against attacks that ironically tries to take it's life.

Anyway, Zeldris is obviously going to have to go all out. I wonder if he'll end up sacrificing his hearts to go into Indura form in attempt to stop Chaos Lance before the Behemoth senses him? Or will Percy somehow make it before that scenario happens if possible?

(Oh wait, isn't big jiggly-Percival still within the Behemoth? We don't know if he returned with Percival when he awakened in the Fairy Realm.)

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Small note. When I think about it, the fact that Cath enforced his will on Lance and made him continue despite the fact that he didn't get much sleep might be an advantage point later. It might make him sloppy.

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I wouldn't say it was clear that Jericho died given that the "camera" conveniently cut away before we saw her get hit. If anything that's exactly the kind of trick that is usually done to create fake-out death scenes. For me Jericho accepting her death actually makes the whole thing look more suspicious considering how it mirrors what happened to her before at the lake....

Yeah I'm still betting on the chance she's alive. Especially when this is what Nakaba said about her before:

Ban/Elaine PairSin Book - Interview
(Q): By the way, what about Jericho?

Nakaba: She's a character I'd like to use for a long time. Right now she's struggling through adversity, like the death of her brother, but I want to depict her overcoming those challenges and swiftly rescuing her comrades from peril. Actually, the idea of killing off Jericho came up about three times so far.

(Q): Oh, is that so?

Nakaba: Yes. I had considered a scenario where Ban and Elaine would be angry if she died... But while I was thinking, "It would be a waste to kill her here," the timing passed, and she became a character that couldn't be killed off anymore (laughs). It's not that I didn't kill her off because I was afraid of booing from the readers; rather, her role expanded as she interacted with Ban, she became popular, and I was confident that there were still interesting things that could be done with her.

(Q): Even when Jericho transformed into a demon, she survived.

Nakaba: I loved how Ban saved Jericho at that moment, deepening her love for him and leading to the next developments. It made me realize that you shouldn't kill off characters so easily. The story is now entering its climax, and some of the main characters might die, but I think Jericho will probably survive (lol).

 

[Yakkun]

The Supreme Deity was weakened because she sacrificed her body along with the rest of her clan to seal away the demon king and the demon clan , she would have cooked the sins otherwise , she only materilized like Ludociel did for a short period of time as a soul but that state is vastly weaker than when she's in her original body.

So what? If anything that exactly underlines my point. The Demon King for comparison needed three iterations and everything they got from the Sins and then some to be finally destroyed. The SD and Mael were written to be absolute jokes.

 

[Killerbee12]

Wait, you guys believe that Mael has the Sun Grace?

Mael have it, he should have it, because escanor nor Gawain have it

also, I’m happy that we have all this mael talk

 

[Yakkun]

Mael have it, he should have it, because escanor nor Gawain have it

also, I’m happy that we have all this mael talk

Probably the last chance the poor guy gets to do something. I doubt Nakaba has any plans for him in the future.

 

[MeliodasDeUzy]

Did we got spoilers about 255?

 

[Demonspeed]

As far as I can tell the graces and commandments are fundamentally the same thing. Except the demon king split some of his power in ten parts and the supreme deity split some of her power into 4 parts. Combining the 4 graces should result in something similar to combining the 10 commandments, elevating someone to basically supreme deity level. I wouldn't expect this to be a plot point but it'd be interesting as a way to counteract chaos. Mael or elizabeth getting them would make for an interesting plot point. But then, the path set forward so far is on the hopeful side of things a permanent separation of magical creatures from humans and on the less hopeful side of things their extinction and this manga generally isn't interesting on purpose.

They aren't the same. Commandments are like Curses. Graces work like basic magic with additional properties like resurrection.

The Supreme Deity was weakened because she sacrificed her body along with the rest of her clan to seal away the demon king and the demon clan , she would have cooked the sins otherwise , she only materilized like Ludociel did for a short period of time as a soul but that state is vastly weaker than when she's in her original body.

Where is it stated in the movie? Which minute?

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Now that I think about it, it would be a good time to resurrect the other Archangels.

 

[Zezu1995]

yes the SD dont have her body and its been confirmed in a Q/A that arcangels are stronger in their true bodies. so SD would only be at 50% , the thing is mel didnt need his true magic form to beat the DK the sins together was enough which means they would beat the SD seeing they had the sins plus zeldris even if she was at 100% .

 

[MeliodasDeUzy]

someone says in 255 dw is completely destroyed and zeldris died, is that real?

 

[Demonspeed]

someone says in 255 dw is completely destroyed and zeldris died, is that real?

There is nothing here and spoilers have been released even faster than expected.

 

[Rey151203]

someone says in 255 dw is completely destroyed and zeldris died, is that real?

It hasn't even been a week yet for get spoilers.

 

[MeliodasDeUzy]

It hasn't even been a week yet for get spoilers.

Someone in tiktok post this

 

[Yakkun]

Someone in tiktok post this

This post has a mangahelpers layout. You can literally just look up what posts Covers made on this forum and check the veracity for yourself.

 

[FKS]

Besides, spoiler schedule should come back to normal after this, so spoilers for ch255 shouldn't come out until Monday.

 

[Mountain-Photo-165]

Where is it stated in the movie? Which minute?

It's not stated within the movie but within the manga many times , the goddess clan sacrificed their bodies to seal away the demon clan.

 

[Demonspeed]

It's not stated within the movie but within the manga many times , the goddess clan sacrificed their bodies to seal away the demon clan.

Ludociel and the other Archangels weren't weakened. They didn't have enough strength to leave their relics and needed hosts. Once Ludociel, Sariel and Tarmiel fully incarnated they were able to use their full power. The SD had her own body so there is no reason to believe that she was weakened.

 

[Yakkun]

Ludociel and the other Archangels weren't weakened. They didn't have enough strength to leave their relics and needed hosts. Once Ludociel, Sariel and Tarmiel fully incarnated they were able to use their full power. The SD had her own body so there is no reason to believe that she was weakened.

Does any of that really matter at this point? No offense, I'm not trying to shit on anyone's discussion but she is DEAD. She won't return since it's a canon event. And as far as feats go it's probably far better to use the DK for scaling comparioson because the fights with his iterations (Mel, Zel and Mountain) provide clearer and better feats.

 

[Demonspeed]

Does any of that really matter at this point? No offense, I'm not trying to shit on anyone's discussion but she is DEAD. She won't return since it's a canon event. And as far as feats go it's probably far better to use the DK for scaling comparioson because the fights with his iterations (Mel, Zel and Mountain) provide clearer and better feats.

Not really, it doesn't matter at this point. It's just a casual discussion.