Yea I mean against Erza, Laxus Gildarts tier. From Alergia we've seen her one shot her opponents. However, they would most likely tank its attacks. Even though she going to another battle after using it can she really last an out all fight in Alergia? Erza could tank all her attacks in Alergia. Plus, Erza has enough attack power that could take Mira down.
I consider Mira strong just not on their level. Fairy tail second strongest woman. (Tho because of feats many argue Lucy is stronger) They are now fighting opponents of the same level, however Mira's fight is already a 4 vs 1 before her battle even start. (Of course I doubt Angel would be capable of doing anything.)
I never understood why are people so obsessed with Mira staying in Alegria for long periods? It's her ace, a finisher and exerts a massive amount of power for devastating results. It's not a regular transformation. Erza can't spam Nakagami. Can Jellal spam Sema? And what about Laxus using fairy law over and over again? They act like not being able to use Alegria for an extended period proves she is inferior to the other s class as if it's just a random ability.
Before boiling the ocean she was compared to Makarov in terms of magical power. Before that Freed was amazed by her magical power, couldn't believe she had that amount and Azuma noted a great amount of magical power coming from her while she was in her human form ready to fight. She said satan soul used a lot of magical power but the fact that she is s class and it's her standard power shows how much power she has. Now she can cycle through those forms including Alegria and be ready to fight right after unaffected.
Mashima hyping her as Laxus/Jellal/Erza tier just makes it more obvious that her magical power would be comparable to theirs apart from her having probably the most magical power capacity hype.
Nope. Mira is mirroring Laxus' reaction and defense feats and her ragdolling scissor runner trumps Erza in her Irene armor slashing at Mother glare and being pushed, before Erza pulled the dragonized earth energy. Now Mira's thorn curse is paired with Laxus' red lightning while he is powered by Elexion's soul.
Mira has been hyped in 100 years quest as comparable to Laxus and Jellal in the same arc that Erza tied with Laxus.
No unbiased person can honestly read ft, especially the most recent chapters, and actually believe this isn't a fight between peers (hax restricted). Media literacy is really in shambles because the most reliable duo statement alone was enough to understand what Mashima was getting at. If we allow macro Mira can logically win easily via hax rather than power or skill since Erza has no canon counter to macro. At this point Mira downplay is really just trolling cause you all got your precious feats you've been clammering for for years.
Erza still wins but it would be more difficult than before. Outside of hax Mira doesn't have the power to put Erza down. Erza is a tank. Plus Erza could enchant her surroundings to make herself stronger as well.
Really depends on serious Erza takes the fight. Bloodlusted like against Misaki, high diff, extreme diff if Erza holds back like her fight with Laxus.
Reminder: Mira is now shown mirroring Laxus in every way and surpassing him and Erza's physical strength feats. Her thorn curse is her answer to his red lightning, her reaction feats match his and so does her tanking/defense. She was shown ragdolling Scissor runner and crashing him into Levia thus hurting both and saving Laxus. This totally outclasses Irene form Erza slashing Motherglare and being blocked/pushed back before using dragonized earth energy or Laxus trading blows and matching punches with Levia before magic drain.
This is compounded by Mirajane being compared to Laxus/Jellal by Natsu; making up the most reliable duo with Erza; her being an S class mage; Mashima stating he keeps the original scaling; Happy comparing Erza, Mystogan and active Mira to Laxus in the Battle of FT I. Erza could not put down brainwashed Laxus without a phyrric outcome. Erza's POF couldn't help her beat Laxus.
It doesn't matter how much power ups Erza gets because Laxus, Gildarts and yes Mirajane will always power up too whether it be off panel or shown to us on panel (Laxus getting Elexion's soul vs Kirin). This late in the SEQUEL manga and Erza still has not surpassed Laxus/Gildarts. Her POF feats are just that, POF feats just like what Mashima talked about for Natsu.
If Mirajane does not use macro or any hax-like curse, Erza cannot beat her without it being extreme diff or a double K.O. Mira's strength would be a lot for Erza to handle, she can tank what Erza can dish out and her thorn curse for eg) would be like Laxus' red lightning going up against Erza.
I don't see how Erza beats Mira low/mid/high diff instead of extreme.
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If macro is not restricted Mira wins because Erza has no canon counter to it and we saw weaker people's hax like Kyria's affect her while Mira is showing us Laxus tier power in general. Funny enough since she took over Seilah she can remote control Erza like she did Elfman.
Erza is unfortunately another one of those characters that people are just going to wank off the muscle. Similar to her hubby Jellal whose been long surpassed.
Looking at things objectively, Erza was canonically subdued by Macro and nothing has happened since that suggests it wouldn't still work. Mira also has Sleep Magic. Again, proven to affect her. That combo alone nets Mira a win. The sheer fact that we now have people restricting Mira's moves is telling in and of itself lol
But that's the point she can't use POF vs Laxus because he's a guildmate. She tried her best and admitted she didn't think he was so strong and admitted defeat before he did the same. So she can't use it here for Mira either.
She does need to surpass Laxus if we are talking about her beating Laxus or Laxus tier opponents without EXTREME DIFF in the guild. I never said Laxus > Erza in this post.
But that's the point she can't use POF vs Laxus because he's a guildmate. She tried her best and admitted she didn't think he was so strong and admitted defeat before he did the same. So she can't use it here for Mira either.
She does need to surpass Laxus if we are talking about her beating Laxus or Laxus tier opponents without EXTREME DIFF in the guild. I never said Laxus > Erza in this post.
Tbh even without Pof, Erza fights guild mates and enemies completely different. Just like Natsu. Their fights with the BDSK showed us.
Erza could take down a Gildarts magic tier Bdsk if she is Bloodlusted (and overwrite Gildarts level magic power) no pof involved in one chapter.
Laxus on the other hand had to get a power up mid fight that pushed him to a whole new tier to take down an opponent on the same level.
The difficulty could change if Erza takes the fight seriously as she would an enemy.
With Mira it could be an extreme diff if she fight her as a guild mate like Laxus.
But if she was Bloodlusted like against Misaki, Erza wouldn't stay down until she put Mira into the ground.
Tbh even without Pof, Erza fights guild mates and enemies completely different. Just like Natsu. Their fights with the BDSK showed us.
Erza could take down a Gildarts magic tier Bdsk if she is Bloodlusted (and overwrite Gildarts level magic power) no pof involved in one chapter.
Laxus on the other hand had to get a power up mid fight that pushed him to a whole new tier to take down an opponent on the same level.
The difficulty could change if Erza takes the fight seriously as she would an enemy.
With Mira it could be an extreme diff if she fight her as a guild mate like Laxus.
But if she was Bloodlusted like against Misaki, Erza wouldn't stay down until she put Mira into the ground.
Mashima saying Erza and Laxus are equals and showing us them fighting with red lightning and her enchantments/clear heart ending in a tie, debunk that Erza can go bloodlusted and beat Laxus without extreme diff. The POF because she's Erza feats only work on enemies. She used her peak power at that time to tie with Laxus.
Mashima saying Erza and Laxus are equals and showing us them fighting with red lightning and her enchantments/clear heart ending in a tie, debunk that Erza can go bloodlusted and beat Laxus without extreme diff. The POF because she's Erza feats only work on enemies. She used her peak power at that time to tie with Laxus.
Erza hasn't had any pof the entire 100 year quest.
Explain how Erza was an able to beat a Gildarts magic level opponent a few days after fighting Laxus in the story because she was Bloodlusted.
While Laxus using his strongest power red lightning and needed a whole new form to beat an opponent on the same level.
another example of this is how Natsu was running low on magic power fighting Gajeel but turns around using way more magic fighting Aldoron.
They fight guild mates differently than enemies.
Erza pulling her punches 80% of her fight with Laxus but against Misaki she pulled out Fairy Blade meteor (a move she had in her pocket the whole time she chose not to use against Laxus). And the labyrinth arc showed Fairy blade meteor >>>>> red lightning/ heaven wheel blumetbatt.
The fact Laxus and Erza was were to be stated equals recently after Laxus thunder dragon king power up, means she would have won if she went all out from the start.
same with Mira, Erza isn't going to take her seriously because she's a guild mate.
Erza hasn't had any pof the entire 100 year quest.
Explain how Erza was an able to beat a Gildarts magic level opponent a few days after fighting Laxus in the story because she was Bloodlusted.
And Erza wasn't going all out vs Laxus? Laxus even told her stop holding back and she agreed.
They do not fight guildmates different from enemies like making a decision to do this. Mashima avoids using power of friendship or asspull fighting vs their FRIENDS. It's not an in verse scenario that Erza holds back. It's not something she can do vs Laxus or Mira. Erza can't do asspulls or friendship moves to win so it actually boils down to real skill and power for Erza vs Laxus and we saw how it ended. Bloodlusted Erza was Erza angry that Misaki cut her hair. It's not some special form/mindset she has that she jumps a tier vs Laxus/Mira.
While Laxus using his strongest power red lightning and needed a whole new form to beat an opponent on the same level.
another example of this is how Natsu was running low on magic power fighting Gajeel but turns around using way more magic fighting Aldoron.
They fight guild mates differently than enemies.
Erza pulling her punches 80% of her fight with Laxus but against Misaki she pulled out Fairy Blade meteor (a move she had in her pocket the whole time she chose not to use against Laxus). And the labyrinth arc showed Fairy blade meteor >>>>> red lightning/ heaven wheel blumetbatt.
The fact Laxus and Erza was were to be stated equals recently after Laxus thunder dragon king power up, means she would have won if she went all out from the start.
same with Mira, Erza isn't going to take her seriously because she's a guild mate.
Kirin was stated to be stronger than Misaki TWICE, even though they are on the same tier so even then it doesn't prove Erza > Laxus.
Kirin is also symbolically the strongest since he is the Yellow Dragon who is the center of the five directions: the leader of the Four Beasts (Azure Dragon, White Tiger, Vermilion Bird, and Black Tortoise).
Then we see Wendy being the reason Erza didn't end up in basically a double K.O. vs Misaki, while Laxus beat Kirin, who is hyped as stronger, without passing out or being healed right after.
Look at Erza after her fight with Misaki AFTER Wendy healed her and compare that to Laxus after his fight with Kirin with no healing from anyone:
He's standing and moving around. Erza with Wendy's healing is worse off after Laxus fought the stronger person.
It's actually another parallel that Erza took over Misaki's dimension with her power and Laxus absorbed Elexion's soul from Kirin's coffin so actually it against make them similar. If the dimension stayed she couldn't win. If Laxus didn't give up his power and take Elexion's soul he wouldn't have won.
So it doesn't mean she would've been stronger when they fought. It means they are all powering up. Erza is showing us an Irene armor, a dragon slayer armor and Laxus has no new power vs the calamity bloods so what does this mean then? Laxus is stronger than Erza since she has new armors and he has no new power? Even Mira and Jellal OFF PANEL were powering up. It's never erza powering up and Laxus being behind until he shows us something.
Mashima stated they are equals and also that the power balance stayed the same from the start so no Erza was never above Laxus for him to catch up. Since the first battle of Fairy Tail Laxus was stated by Happy to be the 2nd strongest with Erza/active Mira/Mystogan being the ones who also challenge him for this position. There has never been a time in the manga where Laxus < Erza.
The fact that Mashima had Erza and Laxus beat people in the same arc who were compared to Gildarts and power up in that fight shows parity not Erza> Laxus. Even Jellal beat someone Gildarts wanted to fight at full power.
So on topic Erza can never beat Laxus or Mira without EXTREME DIFF especially if we add on Mira's most recent feats which match Elexion soul Laxus and even surpass him in some ways (physical strength).
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So really Mashima should've had Jellal and Mira in the BDSK fights: FT'S S Class vs their strongest (Jellal is joining FT so...).[/SPOILER]
