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Gotta say that end of day pissed me off big time though
Copan continually acting fucking slower than a lobotomised goldfish to feign not being up to speed, him and Nash voting Lawl, and there was more that I took issue with too.
Gut feel says Copan/Nash/Pom maf atm; at least Lawl can do something as restless spirit but the case to lynch him felt incredibly disingenuine
Gotta say that end of day pissed me off big time though
Copan continually acting fucking slower than a lobotomised goldfish to feign not being up to speed, him and Nash voting Lawl, and there was more that I took issue with too.
Gut feel says Copan/Nash/Pom maf atm; at least Lawl can do something as restless spirit but the case to lynch him felt incredibly disingenuine
Nah I firmly believe it. The way he played that felt like previous games I played against him where he deliberately acted slow to put it nicely. He's far smarter and more switched on than he was putting on late yesterday and while you could argue he was saving himself, there's nothing in his play that gives me confidence in him being town. He went from mech talk and shitposting to feigning more activity when I'd think he'd have a better grasp of things than what he was letting on.
I don’t even know why you and sone others are so intent on lynching me, I actually changed votes because I realize lawl is getting too much voting support against him, which seemed like an easy D1 for mafia, then you guys go and lynch him anyway after chastising me for changing my vote…
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Maybe mafia has a poisoner. No deaths? Suspicious.
I gave some names in my sus list at first, but you see I read more posts and turns out those people went down on the sus list and others looked incredibly scummy to me like you, Nat and Panda. But of course you’ll say I ddi 180. Since when is getting more people you suspect “flipping a 180”?
Sam - Can usually smell him town like a bonehound but he ain't it right now. Mafia Sam has more agenda and calculated passivity, town Sam has gusto and wild quips. He's not fallen into either camp yet, and I'm against D1'ing a player who I'm confident in reading once he gets going.
I don't think 2/2 maf would pile this early so we can softy rule out (dego + lawl) mafia btw.
Vali - Weak opening with a need to be prompted to hint. His vote needing to be justified more than pushed makes him read pretty defensive and sus.
Hardy - Main input is on Lawl lynch and then ribbing people. His vote landing on Vali is in defense of Pomcha and Kakoha. If you're defending Kako/Pomcha as reasonable with their vote why aren't you following them onto Lawl?
^ He sliced off 1/3 of the people on your lynch as mafia and is nested in it right now while pointing at other skeletons.
Copan - Mostly meta commentary on active/passive and then general strategy of lynching people he thinks are good liars and eventually marms if she's alive. I struggle to see town pov in playing like that right out the gate, and it's so sus that it's making me loop back around to trusting him because no way evil panda plays like this.
Marms - Cute as the venules of a leaf (I consider this the skeleton). I like her tone so far and she's poking at tatsu/copan in her worldview which have largely escaped conversation (panda came back up just now).
Tatsu - Took notes, revenge voted me, hasn't added more. Vote on me is reasonable I did her dirty last game but she needs to commit to an actual vote with reason so we can read her even if it's still on me.
Lawl -
"If I were mafia I'd play different" is textbook mafia move. He hasn't even done anything to attract attention of his own actions, all attention is falling on him from other interpretations of his hint which isn't even that bad and not worse than Vali Panda etc. Playing as if he did something to attract attention and that it's in his control is sus, man caught a stray and is playing it off.
Pomcha - Hardy/Sam/Lawl was her list but she locked Kakokun. She excused Lawl lynch for Hardy's reasoning and locked Kako for meta from last game. I don't see the Kako mafia meta and it feels very out of nowhere I don't see her mentioning him before.
Kakokun - Comments on votestacking Sam and suses Lawl for it. Remains critical of the lynch after seeing others join it. If he sits on Lawl with no further reasoning I think this is sus, but I think sus Kako tries to control more so the hole where my gut used to be is saying town Kako here.
Dego - Sam hate => No more activity. Going just by tone alone I'm leaning town for the playfulness of referencing lambgame and making a joke about no mech.
In summary
Marms - Exploring off-wagon option and generally gentle attitude. I've seen the cruelty of red marm this ain't her. Kako - Healthy self skepticism and lack of agenda. Copan - No way mafpan comes in with content this doo doo and airs lynch plans public if he's mafia.
Sam - Want more, give him a chance to powersam Dego - Want more, move off of sam Tatsu - Want more, at least a lock
Pomcha - Leaning green until the Kako pivot with no foreplay, feels like finger wagging at teammates to then not commit. Not out on one strike because I generally like her play until then. Vali- Defensive play is mafia play, want more category with a wrinkled nasal bone at the excuses
Hardy - Surgical slicing of Lawl lynch feels like agenda, doesn't line up to trust kako/pomcha then potshot somewhere where they're not voting or even discussing. Similar to pomcha but pomcha has town play in her posts unlike bone-hardling.
Lawl - "If I were mafia" and playing with a tone of control when he did nothing to catch the heat. I don't think he's sus cause of the hint, but his reaction to it.
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To be fair you came forward with only meta talk and lynch strategy it's not exactly inspiring.
I think it's Too Wolf To Be A Wolf energy from you but I can't speak for others.
Do you think I'm on the right lines with Hardy/Lawl?
Honestly, I don’t agree with the list, not just because lawl flipped town, but excluding him, it feels you put the suspect list upside down and the most suspicious people are tagged as green. So no, I don’t think your list helps me much.
@Kakoha Thoughts on my bottom 4? Pomcha specifically since she's accusing you of mafkako read from last game.
Mood. We have 40 min tho.
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Pomcha > Panda
I feel like Lawl/Hardy/Pom is a good world to explore based on how votes have moved around today. Vali can slot in instead of Hardy or Pom but I feel like Lawls framing was unapologetically mafcoded.
As for vote moving the reason is simple, I gave a first small suspect list and voted accordingly, but as I read more, other people became suspicious in my eyes.
so I believe you and Kako binding me to my first suspect list based on hunches and lawl’s hint, even though you agree that it wasn’t a reason enough to vote lawl is extremely suspicious. Not only that but especially Kako saying things like me turning a complete different direction sounds malicious in his posts when everybody agreed that I had no reason to vote lawl, then I switch votes and people are like “How come you’re not voting him?!”
Pom is doing moves that seem scummy (like quickly backing off when she's usually more... tenacious) but at the same time if she were scum I don't see her doing them because she'd know that's different behaviour. Wine In Front Of Me.
pomcha what was your reasoning to lock? i can imagine why lawl did
waa there any other interesting info unearthed? did tatsu say anything concerning her activity? that remains immensely sus to me, town tatsu never shows up with material info early
My reason for lock is first, that was my second vote so it’s naturally a lock, second Kako’s posts are crafted in a way they sound downright malicious. See the example below.
tbh, pompom's logic didn't fit in my brain, it felt like she's saying contradictory things.
hardy seemed odd to me and not the hardy I know
vali seemed green to me ngl
idk about the others, also I just noticedthe time is nearly up and I still didn't decide if I would change my vote on hardy or not hmm
also, I'm 2 pages behind omg
Point out which “contradictory things” I said. I changed who I suspected, how is that contradictory? Besides Lawl received a lot of heat for a lynch, which made me drop him as an option, how is that contradictory?
honestly I don't see why ppl voted panda
he felt the same like he did last time I played with him, granted he was recruited that time, but his day 1 felt the same
I'm going with either pom or hardy, those are on the top of list right now
and hardy sorry but your explanation is very poor imo and your behaviour has some hidden motives I think
for that reason I'm changing to hardy, even if it won't probably matter anyway votekill hardy
I don’t even know why you and sone others are so intent on lynching me, I actually changed votes because I realize lawl is getting too much voting support against him, which seemed like an easy D1 for mafia, then you guys go and lynch him anyway after chastising me for changing my vote…
So yeah, its scrutiny time. And I'd also say I was only suspecting you as mafia, not actively saying we should lynch you yet which you've framed my comment as saying.
By intuition alone Hardy, Sam and Lawl are on my sus list. I especially feel suspicious on Lawl’s claim fo a “tricky role”, that sounds like mafia role too me, yeah, difficult to survive in small games.
0/2 on intuition given what I am and what Lawl turned up as with Hardy yet to be verified. One of my big issues with you, Copan, and the rest that were busting Lawl's balls was over the wording of "tricky" that he used. That shouldn't have been as big a reason to push him as it ended up being, yet apparently an active role that requires good targeting from his hinting "sounded like a mafia role." I find that to be a bit dubious.
I'll give you credit that you didn't lynch Lawl in the end, but I just don't know if I believe some of your lines of thought to be genuine town. What probably does look good for you though is that you are at least talking through your thinking a bit now and the pivot to Kako.
I will tell you what I think, mafia probably realized my role from hints, but townies probably didn’t, now my name is rolling around a lot of mouths as lynch option because mafia doesnt want to bother wasting time with a kill on me and they prefer having other targets which they can’t lynch umsuring day
So yeah, its scrutiny time. And I'd also say I was only suspecting you as mafia, not actively saying we should lynch you yet which you've framed my comment as saying.
Lets come back to this:
0/2 on intuition given what I am and what Lawl turned up as with Hardy yet to be verified. One of my big issues with you, Copan, and the rest that were busting Lawl's balls was over the wording of "tricky" that he used. That shouldn't have been as big a reason to push him as it ended up being, yet apparently an active role that requires good targeting from his hinting "sounded like a mafia role." I find that to be a bit dubious.
I'll give you credit that you didn't lynch Lawl in the end, but I just don't know if I believe some of your lines of thought to be genuine town. What probably does look good for you though is that you are at least talking through your thinking a bit now and the pivot to Kako.
Yeah, I realize Lawl wasn’t lying about being green with how willing people were to lynch. Also I asked to scrutinize me, not to lynch me, and I never even contributed to his lynch.
I will be mostly busy for the next 4-5 hrs, but don't worry, in the second half of the day i will be active.
Much better day 1 overall compared to last time, Lawl was a miss sorry about that but I wasn't gonna lock on someone else with even fewer hints, he never claimed to have a "crucial" role defending himself so I figured starting our analysis around his lynch dynamic could be an okay move, we got a restless spirit, not the worst. I'd obviously start by looking at his voters for discussions.
Much better day 1 overall compared to last time, Lawl was a miss sorry about that but I wasn't gonna lock on someone else with even fewer hints, he never claimed to have a "crucial" role defending himself so I figured starting our analysis around his lynch dynamic could be an okay move, we got a restless spirit, not the worst. I'd obviously start by looking at his voters for discussions.
He was one of five active claimers including yourself but you thought lynching an active role that could've been important was better than going after a suspicious person with a passive claim??? The cost/benefit doesn't add up if you're town imo
Like yes it wasn't a town investigative role but still holy fuck, gambling on a T!Active for a lynch when some scums could and probably have claimed passive is just stupid
Nah I firmly believe it. The way he played that felt like previous games I played against him where he deliberately acted slow to put it nicely. He's far smarter and more switched on than he was putting on late yesterday and while you could argue he was saving himself, there's nothing in his play that gives me confidence in him being town. He went from mech talk and shitposting to feigning more activity when I'd think he'd have a better grasp of things than what he was letting on.
That was exactly my problem with him, he's there to post but doesn't really say much. Did not feel like a townie trying to gain more information. I will say it's good to not focus on this all day, let's consider all players and see if feelings and opinions on them change after what happened yesterday. We don't want to get blinded by one person, that can very much be the downfall of town (as we have seen that happen so many times). I'm also quite curious what Lawl will have to say.
I'm going to catch up properly in a bit, I was still working/cycling home when the last hourish went down so didn't read that very closely. I will be required for some social activities this afternoon but after that my attention can be undivided and here~
That was exactly my problem with him, he's there to post but doesn't really say much. Did not feel like a townie trying to gain more information. I will say it's good to not focus on this all day, let's consider all players and see if feelings and opinions on them change after what happened yesterday. We don't want to get blinded by one person, that can very much be the downfall of town (as we have seen that happen so many times). I'm also quite curious what Lawl will have to say.
Nah I firmly believe it. The way he played that felt like previous games I played against him where he deliberately acted slow to put it nicely. He's far smarter and more switched on than he was putting on late yesterday and while you could argue he was saving himself, there's nothing in his play that gives me confidence in him being town. He went from mech talk and shitposting to feigning more activity when I'd think he'd have a better grasp of things than what he was letting on.
Potentially; I feel stronger about the other three but I do agree that Vali's reasoning was weak and something to press further too
A big problem I have with this tho is that at this point I'm very convinced Kakoha is scum. He seemed comfortable with anyone of the top voteds getting lynched at the end of the day but didn't want the blood of any player on his hands. So Kakoha can't be in the same team as Panda or Nash.
A big problem I have with this tho is that at this point I'm very convinced Kakoha is scum. He seemed comfortable with anyone of the top voteds getting lynched at the end of the day but didn't want the blood of any player on his hands. So Kakoha can't be in the same team as Panda or Nash.
As for vote moving the reason is simple, I gave a first small suspect list and voted accordingly, but as I read more, other people became suspicious in my eyes.
so I believe you and Kako binding me to my first suspect list based on hunches and lawl’s hint, even though you agree that it wasn’t a reason enough to vote lawl is extremely suspicious. Not only that but especially Kako saying things like me turning a complete different direction sounds malicious in his posts when everybody agreed that I had no reason to vote lawl, then I switch votes and people are like “How come you’re not voting him?!”
I wasn't accusing you of being sus for leaving Lawl, I was accusing you of being suspect for jumping to someone you didn't talk with/about for your votelock.
Your vote kill and lock are 30 posts apart with no development and landed on Kako outta nowhere. Your only post between them was this, directed towards Lawl still.
honestly I don't see why ppl voted panda
he felt the same like he did last time I played with him, granted he was recruited that time, but his day 1 felt the same
I'm going with either pom or hardy, those are on the top of list right now
and hardy sorry but your explanation is very poor imo and your behaviour has some hidden motives I think
for that reason I'm changing to hardy, even if it won't probably matter anyway votekill hardy
pretty sure I explain here, idk why you're asking again.
since the beginning I said I voted for lawl but I might change. I literally did everything I said I would, what do you want more ?
from your and pom's behaviors last day, I was not even that sus of lawl anymore as u can see in the post I posted last day that u intentionally skipped (why else would u ask again if u did not skip it)
anyways, your behavior last day was the scummiest hardy, knowing how you play, you would NEVER bet that much on someone being town without being sure they are town.
also, why did you not change on panda or nash to save lawl ? you were around in the last mins of the day, and you posted even after nash changed on lawl (instead of panda which is also an interesting thing to keep in mind)
and yet you chose panda over lawl.
hardy, I played with you as mafia and I know how you play as mafia, and this is the mafia hardy I know XD
lawl death benifits you so much, so either panda is your teammate or u just did not interviene because why would you ?
I don’t even know why you and sone others are so intent on lynching me, I actually changed votes because I realize lawl is getting too much voting support against him, which seemed like an easy D1 for mafia, then you guys go and lynch him anyway after chastising me for changing my vote…
I gave some names in my sus list at first, but you see I read more posts and turns out those people went down on the sus list and others looked incredibly scummy to me like you, Nat and Panda. But of course you’ll say I ddi 180. Since when is getting more people you suspect “flipping a 180”?
no, it's not just getting more ppl you suspect
you changed your list while in the same post giving reason that would apply on your old list more than your new one.
