Discussion AA's Patron

[Cinera]

A "Dangerous Person"
In S3 E98 Asensio revealed that AA was working with someone that was "very dangerous":

Previously in S3 E55 AA revealed that he had connections to the "leaders" of the Khun Family, and so he wasn't worried about Prime White:

For convenience, I would refer to this dangerous person as "AA's Patron" or just "Patron".



Interlude: The Dangerous Person is NOT Baam
Contrary to what some people believe, this person can't be Baam. There are multiple reasons for this conclusion, and I'll cover them below.

Asensio already addressed Baam as "the Slayer Candidate" (and later as "the Irregular"). He wouldn't describe him in vague terms as "a dangerous person".

Furthermore, Asensio was trying to feel AA out and fish for information on this "dangerous person", which again makes little sense if he was talking about Baam.

Finally, Asensio was not sure about AA's collaboration with the dangerous person. He said that he only heard a few details about him from someone else so he's not sure about it.

But Asensio said that AA was famous for being a companion of the Slayer Candidate, so he was fully aware of their cooperation.



Patron's Identity
I think that we have already seen AA's patron. I believe that Patron was the unnamed Khun who stopped the Hell Train on AA's behalf:

Patron mentioned that he was doing it as a favour for AA:

And mentioned that AA owed him big time and so should honour AA's promise:

SIU's Confirmation
SIU already told us that AA is keeping a good relationship with someone in the Khun Family that's "quite powerful":

SIU's Gossips

2. Koon is keeping a good relationship with someone in Koon family who is quite powerful now.

Source

He further said that AA has strong political power and relationships in his Family:

SIU's Gossips

A.A. have quite strong political power and relationships in his family.

Source

It's most likely the case that said "someone" is Patron.



Speculation
Considering that AA mentioned his relationship with Patron as his connections to the leaders of the Khun Family, I'm guessing that Patron is a Faction Leader like Asensio.

Asensio describing him as someone that is "very dangerous" suggests that he's also really powerful. He should be someone that is broadly comparable to Asensio in strength (though, we don't really have a solid idea as to how powerful Asensio is).

Well, AA knows that Prime White is a "Legendary High Ranker" and still trusted Patron to protect him.

So maybe Patron's Ranking is even higher than Prime White's?

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@Jubei_Kibagami, @lianecel, @lazybum, @Theorist05, @PGT

 

[lazybum]

I wonder what's the favor about. We only know 2 things that AA did that may or may not related :

1) AA gave him something from the Eduan treasury. It must be something easy to hide that even Eduan can't easily notice that AA's patron has his treasure, because the patron is still a Khun family leader it seems.

2) AA helping Maria to become a Zahard princess. Could be Maria is from the patron's family, making her a princess brought prestige to his family, indirectly furthering his own position. AA hasn't told his motivation in essentially selling his sister, has he? "I had my reason for doing so" (S2 CH284). AA is a practical kind of guy, so having a HR with good standing should OK for him. Though AA seems to have some kind regret over it considering his sworn enemy is Kiseia, whom he seems to consider a little sister for being brought up together since childhood.


This patron should be strong, though not strong enough that Maschenny isn't hesitant to poke, after all she threatened erasing AA (but at the same time, considering Maschenny's goal, it doesn't say much. Maschenny is brave (crazy?) enough to do whatever she wants).

 

[Theorist05]

Whoever this patron might be he must be equal to or slightly stronger than corps commanders( also white)

 

[Cinera]

2) AA helping Maria to become a Zahard princess. Could be Maria is from the patron's family, making her a princess brought prestige to his family, indirectly furthering his own position. AA hasn't told his motivation in essentially selling his sister, has he? "I had my reason for doing so" (S2 CH284). AA is a practical kind of guy, so having a HR with good standing should OK for him. Though AA seems to have some kind regret over it considering his sworn enemy is Kiseia, whom he seems to consider a little sister for being brought up together since childhood.

I really love this idea.

As we saw from Elaine's selection, the selection of a Zahard Princess is an event with ramifications for the entire Family (Elaine's Branch/family was to be punished for Elaine's failure).

Even Yurin was involved when Yuri was to be selected as a Zahard Princess. So playing King maker for the Princesses is definitely an event that can gain the favour of High Rankers within the Family.


I am less enthused by AA stealing from Eduan's treasure house as I think AA would need the support of a High Ranker in the Khun Family to pull that off in the first place.

Meanwhile, making Maria the Princess is something that AA could have done entirely on his own.

This patron should be strong, though not strong enough that Maschenny isn't hesitant to poke, after all she threatened erasing AA (but at the same time, considering Maschenny's goal, it doesn't say much. Maschenny is brave (crazy?) enough to do whatever she wants).

I doubt there's anyone in the Khun Family bar Eduan that Maschenny needs to be wary of. And even then, she's apparently Daddy's favourite (Maschenny and her minions were the only children that Data Eduan acknowledged and chose to keep by his side out of the thousands that passed through the Hidden Floor in its several tens of thousands of years history), so maybe she doesn't even need to worry about Eduan.

As a Princess from the Khun Family she's by default above all the other Khun DDs in status and influence. But she's also the only 13 Month Princess in the history of the Family, so she's very rarefied even in the history of Khun Family Princesses.


AA's patron is strong enough that AA trusts him to deal with Prime White, so at least, his Ranking should be above White's (recall that Prime White was a "Legendary High Ranker" and at least comparable to Corps Commanders).

You shouldn't cap his strength based in your perception of how strong Maschenny is just because Maschenny doesn't consider him someone to be wary of.


Whether Maschenny is herself stronger than AA's Patron or not, it's likely that she wields enough influence in the Khun Family to trample all over him regardless (consider that one of the prominent Leaders of the Khun Family is her minion).

The Lo Po Bia Princesses had enough pull within their Family to throw away the life of an Elite Ranker that was a member of RED (Lo Po Bia Ren) while they were mere D Rank Regulars.

So just imagine the kind of pull that Maschenny would have as a Top 100 High Ranker and the only 13 Month Princess in the history of the Khun Family? Especially when she's had several thousand years to consolidate her influence? The other Leaders of the Khun Family would probably be trampling over themselves in their haste to curry her favour.

AA's patron would probably sooner give up AA than risk crossing her (whatever AA promised him isn't worth stirring the ire of their Family's Princess).


And well, Asensio regards him as someone that's "very dangerous". So he's up there.

 

[O_n_Sly]

It’s blueberry! Didn’t he freeze REN’s movements? He easily broke into and hacked AA’s lighthouse!

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who ever it is they are a light bearer and unfortunately the position is not much of a focus for SIU. But from the rare cases we have seen they can be highly effective! (Sophia, Repelista, Blueberry, Elpathion)

 

[Theorist05]

It’s blueberry! Didn’t he freeze REN’s movements? He easily broke into and hacked AA’s lighthouse!

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who ever it is they are a light bearer and unfortunately the position is not much of a focus for SIU. But from the rare cases we have seen they can be highly effective! (Sophia, Repelista, Blueberry, Elpathion)

It can’t be blueberry since he left the family to join woliksong

Nor do I think he‘s a light bearer, he’s most likely a spear bearer considering he made a ton of lightning spears when he electrocuted the train.

 

[O_n_Sly]

It can’t be blueberry since he left the family to join woliksong

Nor do I think he‘s a light bearer, he’s most likely a spear bearer considering he made a ton of lightning spears when he electrocuted the train.

Just because there was a ton of lightning does not mean he used a spear!

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Looks like he was overloaded the train with a jolt of electricity

 

[hblock]

Blueberry is so strong that Lero Ro felt like fighting him after checking his profile and feats through the lighthouse. It certainly is him

 

[Theorist05]

Just because there was a ton of lightning does not mean he used a spear!

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Looks like he was overloaded the train with a jolt of electricity

It was a lightning spear(made of shinsu) some children of Khun Eduan can make spears of lightning.

 

[O_n_Sly]

It was a lightning spear(made of shinsu) some children of Khun Eduan can make spears of lightning.

Nah it looked like Enryu’s red rain but with electricity

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For all we know it could have been the Floor Ruler! The Last Station had a Kuhn ruler maybe all HT stations have a Kuhn Ruler?

 

[Theorist05]

Nah it looked like Enryu’s red rain but with electricity

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For all we know it could have been the Floor Ruler! The Last Station had a Kuhn ruler maybe all HT stations have a Kuhn Ruler?

If it was like Enryu’s rain you’re proving my point because Enryu‘s move ”red rain” is just a ton of shinsu spears.

 

[O_n_Sly]

If it was like Enryu’s rain you’re proving my point because Enryu‘s move ”red rain” is just a ton of shinsu spears.

Lol no! Baam’s black rain was not spears so why is Enryu’s lol?

 

[Cinera]

Lol no! Baam’s black rain was not spears so why is Enryu’s lol?

That's stupid. Enryu's Red Rain happened way before Baam's Black Rain, and we were told that it was a rain of spears. Trying to argue that it wasn't because of Baam makes no sense.

 

[O_n_Sly]

That's stupid. Enryu's Red Rain happened way before Baam's Black Rain, and we were told that it was a rain of spears. Trying to argue that it wasn't because of Baam makes no sense.

I guess I forgot

 

[kkck]

No idea. At the time this happened I assumed the translation was funky and they were referring to bam or whichever slayer. If it's someone within the koon family then the story would be pure chaos.

 

[Downfall]

Patron strength depend where you put Prime White (as strength) people call him as "Legendary High Ranker"

Legendary for what?Killing people? Ok he was fear in the tower. I think he was only feared because he was know as a High ranker killing easely People. "and that's all "I don't think he was "that" powerful like top 100 HR. I think he was like top 200-300

And we already know the gap between top 100 & top 200-300 HR.

So I think "Patron" is minimum top 100 but I'll said something like strong as a top 50. Like way stronger then Evankhell I think this is logical.

No point of hype something less power than someone we saw a "lot"

 

[Cinera]

No idea. At the time this happened I assumed the translation was funky and they were referring to bam or whichever slayer. If it's someone within the koon family then the story would be pure chaos.

No way Asensio speaks of Baam like that. He already addressed him as "the Slayer Candidate" and "the Irregular". He wouldn't hide his identity by using "a dangerous person".

Asensio also said that he's not sure about the details of their collaboration since he heard it from someone else.


I don't see how it would be "pure chaos". We already know that AA has an influential backer in the Khun Family.

 

[kkck]

No way Asensio speaks of Baam like that. He already addressed him as "the Slayer Candidate" and "the Irregular". He wouldn't hide his identity by using "a dangerous person".

Asensio also said that he's not sure about the details of their collaboration since he heard it from someone else.


I don't see how it would be "pure chaos". We already know that AA has an influential backer in the Khun Family.

In this scenario you'd have a koon whose status is presumably pretty high up the pecking order that would be supporting aguero who is basically an exile within his family and has been traveling with a slayer candidate that became a target of zahard himself back at the name hunt station. I suppose there could be even more going on in the background but it would make more of the koon family straight up traitors to the empire (welp, at this point more than they already are thanks to mascheny's shenanigans).

 

[Cinera]

In this scenario you'd have a koon whose status is presumably pretty high up the pecking order that would be supporting aguero who is basically an exile within his family

Aguero is NOT an exile within the Khun Family:

SIU's Gossips

A.A. have quite strong political power and relationships in his family.

Source

I mean, Maschenny just threatened to erase him from the Khun Family. That makes no sense if he was actually exiled. He's an acknowledged son of Khun, and he still has strong political power and relationships within the Family.

has been traveling with a slayer candidate that became a target of zahard himself back at the name hunt station.

It is not public knowledge that Baam is a target of Zahard. All Three of Zahard's Orders were confidential.

P.S: don't you mean the Hidden Floor?

but it would make more of the koon family straight up traitors to the empire

No that's not how it works. Again, the order to destroy Baam is not public knowledge. Even if the Khun Family wholeheartedly supports Baam, it wouldn't be "treason". Zahard's Orders apply to the Zahard Family and their servants not to the rest of the 10 Families. That's why the Administration had to give the Lo Po Bia Family concessions in order to wage war on the Po Bidau Family.

Anyway, the Khun Family isn't actually turning on Baam through this:

• AA assisting Baam doesn't implicate his patron let alone the rest of the Family.
• AA is not even a traitor to the Empire (considering he was never really a part of it).

(welp, at this point more than they already are thanks to mascheny's shenanigans).

Maschenny is a traitor to the Empire. She's the only person that's actually a member of the Empire to betray it in the first place.

The other members of the Khun Family supporting her are rebels at best.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

AA's Patron?

I'm going to have to say 'Silver'