It is told that administrators are the supreme rulers of the shinsu on their Floor and hence no matter how powerful a shinsoo user is , they can't win against admins.
But if that authority is taken from them , are they still stronger than family heads in terms of powers and abilities? Enryu was able kill one of them using shinsoo himself for example.
Other than Absolute Shinsoo Control they all have Space Manipulation and supposedly two other abilities that Baam should have once he gets the two other fragments.
Enryu probably used the Thorn to do it but his exceptional strength is already confirmed by SIU, he would win without it.
Maybe they could but I am not confident about it. Headon is probably untouchable.
Other than Absolute Shinsoo Control they all have Space Manipulation and supposedly two other abilities that Baam should have once he gets the two other fragments.
Enryu probably used the Thorn to do it but his exceptional strength is already confirmed by SIU, he would win without it.
Maybe they could but I am not confident about it. Headon is probably untouchable.
the thorn is just a fragment of Enryu's power.
Enryu's sobriquet is, Red Tower, was given to him because the shinsu within the Tower turned red in his presence.
that's why he can control all the shinsu in the tower and kill the admin.
the thorn is just a fragment of Enryu's power.
Enryu's sobriquet is, Red Tower, was given to him because the shinsu within the Tower turned red in his presence.
that's why he can control all the shinsu in the tower and kill the admin.
Unlikely, I don't think he even made it. It was made to be delivered to Baam. Enru has his own issues and his true main weapon outside. He doing this worked as a display to get people's attention.
Hwaryun in the FOD said this about the admins, "BUT THE ADMINISTRATOR’S BLOOD AND FLESH, WHICH WE THOUGHT WERE INDESTRUCTIBLE, IMMORTAL, AND INVINCIBLE". Now the way I interpreted this statement is that the admins have the best durability in the tower(so by default their durability is above jahad, hendo, etc). Now if they possess the best durability then why wouldn't they also possess the best offense power in the tower? All the contracts in the tower are given by the admins(immortality contract, enkidu's contract, king of the tower contract, etc). This just shows us that the admins possess endless amounts of abilites. So once again, I don't think it's a stretch to say that the admins also have the best offensive power in the tower. They're above Jahad and the FHs even without the authority hax imo. They just have too much going for them.
Now I'm going to try to estimate the gap between an admin without the authority hax and an FH. We know that in TOG, an exponential power scaling model is used. FHs are several times stronger than top towerborns imo. Top Towerborns are several times stronger than Regents. Regents are several times stronger than Corps Commanders. Corps Commanders are several times stronger than Vice Corps Commanders. There is a clear pattern here, which is that SIU loves his power creeps. Based of that, I think the admins are several times stronger than an FH. However I don't think any admin is strong enough to beat all 10 FHs at once though(except headon imo). Not the best proof obviously but it's all I can think of at the moment.
It is told that administrators are the supreme rulers of the shinsu on their Floor and hence no matter how powerful a shinsoo user is , they can't win against admins.
But if that authority is taken from them , are they still stronger than family heads in terms of powers and abilities? Enryu was able kill one of them using shinsoo himself for example.
the thorn is just a fragment of Enryu's power.
Enryu's sobriquet is, Red Tower, was given to him because the shinsu within the Tower turned red in his presence.
that's why he can control all the shinsu in the tower and kill the admin.
I still believe enryu is an axis ,I mean think about it there is no other way an administrator is losing to anyone inside the tower .
Shinning ones and urek don't have feats as grazy as enryu either and they are supposed to be gods.
Unlikely, I don't think he even made it. It was made to be delivered to Baam. Enru has his own issues and his true main weapon outside. He doing this worked as a display to get people's attention.
Its name is “Enryu’s Thorn”, and the Shinsu it contains is red—exactly like Enryu’s uniquely colored Shinsu that affects the entire Tower just by his presence.
There’s no proof that the OG is the source of the Thorn; in fact, all evidence points to Enryu himself being its origin. Of course, he does help Baam with it by OG’s request or command.
And don’t be surprised that the Thorn is only a fragment of Enryu’s power—he truly is that powerful.
SIU said:
The amount of baangs he commands (over 9000) is a Dragon Ball reference.
SIU has said that Enryu is a "munchkin" (likely meaning a power gamer or overpowered character, since he said it in the context of why Enryu wouldn't appear much in the plot and not until later in the story).
And he said also that Enryu could create life out of shinsu.
FH are overdosed on Admins power. When Traumeri lost the game, the Administrators words were “I revoke the absolute power AND protection I gave you”. Meaning, it’s not only immortality, they likely gained a massive amp in power with the Admin juice.
Admins are by far so far above the FH is not even funny.
It’s likely Irregulars (not godly beings like Urek and Enryu) without Admin juice are not close to the FH.
Admins are likely the equivalent of Shinies to their shinsoo.
They are Gods. Enryu casually flooring one didn’t prove that they aren’t that strong, it proves that Enryu and the outside god are uber duper mega powerful. Forget the outside god, SIU has said it himself, Enryu is a cheat character, and the reason he won’t appear until endgame (or probably never).
For all of those that Thing Urek is this supreme being that faaaar eclipses every FH and Zahard (I’m not one of those), it’s an undeniable fact Urek holds Admins to a high standard in strength. Who knows how long it’s been since this spin off, but to think even in current Times, Urek is still wanting to fight an Admin speaks volume. Remember, the admin is ready whenever, Urek just has to give the word.
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FH are overdosed on Admins power. When Traumeri lost the game, the Administrators words were “I revoke the absolute power AND protection I gave you”. Meaning, it’s not only immortality, they likely gained a massive amp in power with the Admin juice.
Admins are by far so far above the FH is not even funny.
It’s likely Irregulars without Admin juice are not close to the FH.
Admins are likely the equivalent of Shinies to their shinsoo.
They are Gods. Enryu casually flooring one didn’t prove that they aren’t that strong, it proves that Enryu and the outside god are uber duper mega powerful. Forget the outside god, SIU has said it himself, Enryu is a cheat character, and the reason he won’t appear until endgame (or probably never).
For all of those that Thing Urek is this supreme being that faaaar eclipses every FH and Zahard (I’m not one of those), it’s an undeniable fact Urek holds Admins to a high standard in strength. Who knows how long it’s been since this spin off, but to think even in current Times, Urek is still wanting to fight an Admin speaks volume. Remember, the admin is ready whenever, Urek just has to give the word.
Idk I always felt guardians are sort of like zeno. They don't fight but they are very powerful sort of concept. We know tog takes inspiration from dbz.
Idk I always felt guardians are sort of like zeno. They don't fight but they are very powerful sort of concept. We know tog takes inspiration from dbz.
They arent any kind of zeno and they arent close to zeno , exception is hedon
if admins were so zeno like
answer my questions: why no admin dares tonput their nose inside of the castle ?
why no one attacked aubrion ? mago ? that another god ? pentaminum ?
they are sleeping or what ?
yet against enryu they acted immediately ? but against mago ? nope ? yet second floor admin is there and it was said that he has no choice but to shut its own eyes ? so in what way it makes you think that they are zeno like ?
Any shiny can fight an admin cuz no admin can control their light
Shinies are unlike any fhs , cuz fhs power will vanish immediately ehen admin wishes that and agaisnt shinies against penta they cannot do that
so against powerful enryu they did act ? but against weaker ones they dont want ? like you guys want to say that enryu was some divine being ? yet against divine being they did act ? but against some shinies ? they dont ?
Entire tower cerated Lou against shinies , hedon appeared + second floor admin is there, so ?
hedon himself appeared here second floor admin is there also ?
he even approved danjon vs urek ?
guardians are watching whole floor they can shut down entire floor shinso if they wish that , so why they dont act ? why it was said that admin has no choice ? why no choice ? what restricts zeno like creature can you name me one thing ?
My barely educated speculation here is that admins don't entirely work in terms of conventional power levels. If we go by stuff said in blog posts and the story then administrators are essentially godlike entities that both rule over and are the shinsoo in the tower. When ureks suggests a fight to the second floor adminsitrator he tells urek something like this being akin to challenging the very rules of the tower. So odds are that administrators in terms of PL are absurd of course but they also rule over the tower's logic and metaphysics to unclear extents.
If administrators are the shinsoo itself then their authority over it being taken sounds weird. Even the red thrysa retained it's power and authority over shinsoo, just to a much lesser degree than his former self as a full fledged admin.
That said, they are obviously not omnipotent. Enryu killed an administrator in his home territory. This may or not have something to do with the thorn. The thorn was brought by enryu from the outside (tentatively) so we can speculate that stuff manufactured outside the tower may be effective weapons against them. I don't think a shining one can necessarily win a fight against an admin. Shining ones are the strongest of living beings from where urek comes from but ultimately just that, admins are immensely and deeply powerful metaphysical entities with actual godlike attributes over their respective territories (urek does boast to leo he IS the light but to me this sounded a bit hyperbolic). Add to that, if urek comes from a different story than the one tog is set in then he could go as far as operating on a different logic than anyone else to begin with.
My barely educated speculation here is that admins don't entirely work in terms of conventional power levels. If we go by stuff said in blog posts and the story then administrators are essentially godlike entities that both rule over and are the shinsoo in the tower. When ureks suggests a fight to the second floor adminsitrator he tells urek something like this being akin to challenging the very rules of the tower. So odds are that administrators in terms of PL are absurd of course but they also rule over the tower's logic and metaphysics to unclear extents.
If administrators are the shinsoo itself then their authority over it being taken sounds weird. Even the red thrysa retained it's power and authority over shinsoo, just to a much lesser degree than his former self as a full fledged admin.
That said, they are obviously not omnipotent. Enryu killed an administrator in his home territory. This may or not have something to do with the thorn. The thorn was brought by enryu from the outside (tentatively) so we can speculate that stuff manufactured outside the tower may be effective weapons against them. I don't think a shining one can necessarily win a fight against an admin. Shining ones are the strongest of living beings from where urek comes from but ultimately just that, admins are immensely and deeply powerful metaphysical entities with actual godlike attributes over their respective territories (urek does boast to leo he IS the light but to me this sounded a bit hyperbolic). Add to that, if urek comes from a different story than the one tog is set in then he could go as far as operating on a different logic than anyone else to begin with.
whole thing you have posted is rebuked by ine simple logic
what restricts metaphysical being to go against mago ? against aubrion ? against penta ?
why tower creates Lou ? yet never ordered an admin to attack penta ? mago ? aubrion ? what restricts them ? why admins shutting their eyes ? so powerful yet cannot do jack squat ? metaphysical is overexagerration to use there cuz it goes against whole admin being some strong dudes
and whole enry thing you have said its a big problem cuz ppl cannot use shinsoo front of the admin so enryu needs thorn wthout thorn he will be another weakling and front of an admin he will be ordinary ant cuz the guy doesnt have any power but shinso only and admins are shinso masters
so give me counterargument what restricts them ? so powerful according to you yet ? cannot do jack squat against a weakened shiny and whole tower creates some weak being named Lou for shinies ? never dared to attack penta ? never dared to attack aubrion ? what restricts them ? they are under shackles ? or simeone put them under some pressure ? that they cannot move their tentacles ?
you overestimating them and there is no metaphysics involved here surely
whole thing you have posted is rebuked by ine simple logic
what restricts metaphysical being to go against mago ? against aubrion ? against penta ?
why tower creates Lou ? yet never ordered an admin to attack penta ? mago ? aubrion ? what restricts them ? why admins shutting their eyes ? so powerful yet cannot do jack squat ? metaphysical is overexagerration to use there cuz it goes against whole admin being some strong dudes
and whole enry thing you have said its a big problem cuz ppl cannot use shinsoo front of the admin so enryu needs thorn wthout thorn he will be another weakling and front of an admin he will be ordinary ant cuz the guy doesnt have any power but shinso only and admins are shinso masters
so give me counterargument what restricts them ? so powerful according to you yet ? cannot do jack squat against a weakened shiny and whole tower creates some weak being named Lou for shinies ? never dared to attack penta ? never dared to attack aubrion ? what restricts them ? they are under shackles ? or simeone put them under some pressure ? that they cannot move their tentacles ?
you overestimating them and there is no metaphysics involved here surely
Well, we just saw eduan challenge a shining one and come out ahead. Even while running on urek's light Mago's only move was to simply wait one eduan's power to run out. And basically everything in the story and blog posts puts administrator strictly above the great warriors in the pecking order. But then we have to contend with eduan>mago>admin>eduan. Mago was a problem before she even recovered to any level for that matter so it's not like her being at full power or not is particularly relevant.
Well, we just saw eduan challenge a shining one and come out ahead. Even while running on urek's light Mago's only move was to simply wait one eduan's power to run out. And basically everything in the story and blog posts puts administrator strictly above the great warriors in the pecking order. But then we have to contend with eduan>mago>admin>eduan. Mago was a problem before she even recovered to any level for that matter so it's not like her being at full power or not is particularly relevant.
eduan can be used by an admin as a cannon fodder cuz admins are using their brains not to mess with the guys whose powers they cannot control i.e (light )
after all enryu thing already happened right ?
enryu was attacked you know ? yet where are admins right now ? hedon visited this place remember ? yet never attacked even sleepy mago ? never attacked penta ? never attacked aubrion ? yet hedon said to lou that tower created him for a purpose ? admins cant do jack squat here but , yet you are telling me eduan attacked mago ? some weakened mago with maybe 5% of her original power ? eduan cannot even kill mago eben in million yearseven if mago stayed front of him and just allowed eduan to attack and attack she ran out of the power cuz her light was tiny but still i will let eduan that fight cuz he was lucky there so luck is also a power especially in asian manhwas
so i will repeat
admin attacked a god yet cannot attack weaker gods ? does it even makes any sense to you ? be honest ? hedon most powerful admin who can shit eduan like a baby yet ? he visited place but nothing ? never attacked even sleepy mago ?
they have no choice to shut their eyes ? so what made them to make that decision ? aubrion was messing some other floors we know right ? so what about other admins ?
so at least 3 floor admins cannot do anything against him ? aubrion was somewhere on unknown floor ? that is one floor admin
now he is on 2nd floor ? second floor admin does what ? nothing
and hedon ? he was there ? so 3 floor admin cannot act yet you give us speeches that admins are metaphysical beings ?
if zeno was here what would he do ?
you are overestimating admins and thats it
otherwise i dont see why admins cannot attack sleepy mago ? if they were so powerful like you presented admins to us unless someone had cut their tentacles which makes perfect sense cuz they are afraid of light cuz they cannot control it so they arent so cocky
Its name is “Enryu’s Thorn”, and the Shinsu it contains is red—exactly like Enryu’s uniquely colored Shinsu that affects the entire Tower just by his presence.
There’s no proof that the OG is the source of the Thorn; in fact, all evidence points to Enryu himself being its origin. Of course, he does help Baam with it by OG’s request or command.
And don’t be surprised that the Thorn is only a fragment of Enryu’s power—he truly is that powerful.
SIU said:
The amount of baangs he commands (over 9000) is a Dragon Ball reference.
SIU has said that Enryu is a "munchkin" (likely meaning a power gamer or overpowered character, since he said it in the context of why Enryu wouldn't appear much in the plot and not until later in the story).
And he said also that Enryu could create life out of shinsu.
It's called Enryu's Thorn because Enryu left it. Towerborns aren't knowledgeable about it. And the name "Enryu's Thorn" isn't even commonly used. It's just "The Thorn".
I still believe enryu is an axis ,I mean think about it there is no other way an administrator is losing to anyone inside the tower .
Shinning ones and urek don't have feats as grazy as enryu either and they are supposed to be gods.
A few months ago a bunch of people didn't even want to believe that Phanta was still an Axis, but Enryu is?
How do feats matter much here?
Not only have Shinies only been introduced recently, most of the strongest characters don't have feats. Do you need to see current Zahard's feats to know that he is stronger than the FHs?
Idk I always felt guardians are sort of like zeno. They don't fight but they are very powerful sort of concept. We know tog takes inspiration from dbz.
The thorn is forcibly controls the shinsu in an area.
Enryu can completely control Shinsu in the entire Tower.
See? It’s the same ability, but on a much larger scale.
The thorn is forcibly controls the shinsu in an area.
Enryu can completely control Shinsu in the entire Tower.
See? It’s the same ability, but on a much larger scale.
