Discussion About Aura Combat & How Nen Works

[Copy Panda]

I do wonder how far he could go in terms of setting conditions

Mhm on the other hand he couldn't really experiment either due to the harsh conditions on the ability

 

[Reddington]

"In"?!! Togashi's biggest failure.

 

[XXGenesis]

"In"?!! Togashi's biggest failure.

No it's not. You juss don't understand it.

IN hides Aura/makes it invisible.....Any Aura, Your own, Your conjured item, Your emitted Aura, Your transmuted Aura.

Zetsu, stops aura flow conpletely. Meaning no aura is being used what so ever.

Explain if you how he failed??

 

[Reddington]

"In" is an application of "Zetsu". So if stopping the aura is "Zetsu", then please explain how "In" hides Aura by stopping Aura.

Hint:

Spoiler

TOGASHI FAILS

 

[Copy Panda]

I'm assuming that an In user would simply change the properties of the aura to make it able to conceal something?

 

[Reddington]

I'm assuming that an In user would simply change the properties of the aura to make it able to conceal something?

But doesn't that make "In" the fifth principle of Nen? Assuming what you said is how Togashi intended "In" to be, it can no longer be described as an application of Zetsu.

 

[Copy Panda]

Hm it's the application of a principle I'd say - you're applying the concept of concealment in a different way, thusly making it a valid application of Zetsu (as principle, not technique per se)

 

[Reddington]

True, they share the same concept. But that doesn't mean one is an application of the other; plus, if that is the case, we can just as easily say that "Zetsu" is an application of "In". Not to mention, it still doesn't explain how "In" works in the first place.

 

[Copy Panda]

Well we call Zetsu one of the main principles since the creator of the system himself decided that to be so

Also, you're right, exactly how In works remains not known, but I suppose that's what makes it an advanced technique. It may be a bit of a cop-out, but Nen can do some amazing things. If it's able to make someone invisible, allow you to throw a punch as strong a nuke, create a giant 100-arm statue or allow you to conjure a miniature sun, it wouldn't be too far-fetched that it's able to make other objects invisible, right?

I do agree however that this is an assumption - there's indeed a lack of mechanical explanation of the technique. On the other hand, I don't know if such explanation is actually necessary.

 

[Reddington]

Well, sorry to be the one to say this, but the creator failed. The system is broken. The giant hand and the nuclear punch are both explainable; but making yourself invisible, I am afraid, isn't. I don't have a problem with making the body invisible, that can be done by bending light rays hitting the body, but making yourself undetectable while releasing aura have to involve "In", which as you said is still a mystery. People should start giving credit for what he actually earns, nothing more. And they should not make excuses for him. He's a lazy video game addict, and needs to be told so; not encourage him to go on this nonsense of a pattern. Let him stop the shonen right there if it's really that hard to keep it going like other mangakas, unless if he intended for it to keep on making big money for years and years while playing video games.

 

[XXGenesis]

Well, sorry to be the one to say this, but the creator failed. The system is broken. The giant hand and the nuclear punch are both explainable; but making yourself invisible, I am afraid, isn't. I don't have a problem with making the body invisible, that can be done by bending light rays hitting the body, but making yourself undetectable while releasing aura have to involve "In", which as you said is still a mystery. People should start giving credit for what he actually earns, nothing more.

You still didn't explain how its a fail?? You juss personally feel this way and can't grasp it. Or can't suspend your belief for it to fit into your liking

There's little to critize HxH IMO, only the long hiatus, Dark Continent did pop up randomly but it smooths over, & his drawing becomes poor during the NGL arc.....

As for IN it's not a mystery. not to me, & not to the story. Gon can use IN for an seemingly invisible sciccor attack, Kirapika baits Spiders into thinking he manipulates real chains, why he wraps them up in an invisible chain jail, Franklin can barrage a crow with invisible Nen bullets....Hisoka can attach bungee him to his cards and your body w/o you knowing....

If a character doesn't wanna fall victim to hidden attacks all he has to do is use GYO. GYO is a principle RYU is its real time apication, it's not taxing at all, So It's simple & basic. Everyone has their opinion but he didn fail you personally feel like this is a fail but it's not sorry sir.

Same way I dnt like Ywach(Bleach) powers or the brief or little explanation of them..Now that's bad story telling & too much suspended belief is necessary for me..

 

[Master OZ]

There's little to critize HxH IMO, only the long hiatus, Dark Continent did pop up randomly but it smooths over, & his drawing becomes poor during the NGL arc.....

There are many things you can criticize HxH for. Just because YOU haven´t found any is not a proof for the absence of faults.

As for IN it's not a mystery. not to me, & not to the story. Gon can use IN for an seemingly invisible sciccor attack, Kirapika baits Spiders into thinking he manipulates real chains, why he wraps them up in an invisible chain jail, Franklin can barrage a crow with invisible Nen bullets....Hisoka can attach bungee him to his cards and your body w/o you knowing....

If a character doesn't wanna fall victim to hidden attacks all he has to do is use GYO. GYO is a principle RYU is its real time apication, it's not taxing at all, So It's simple & basic. Everyone has their opinion but he didn fail you personally feel like this is a fail but it's not sorry sir.

I am not going back to that, I have explained myself at a great length several pages ago and for several pages, feel free to address my points.

Gyo is not easy, we follow Gon and Killua who are ULTRA GENIUSES, even Zushi who is better representation of a normal person (despite being quite talented himself) struggles with achieving Gyo for some time and that is just for eye application.

 

[XXGenesis]

Nen is a multi facited super natural power..,Meaning it has several forms that all characters can use but each effect and desire of these several forms differ from person to person even of they were from the same group. Wheter Killua, Gon & Kurapicka are geniuses or prodigies....Nen is still a power that you have to mature into, & experience and skill are its prime catalyst...meaning only with practice & time can you really become a master and be uber, like Netero or Zeno Etc..........:::No one cares about this and juss say oh they are prodigies, eh it's true but HxH doesn't use the Shounen ace in the hole Main character power up or main character is stronger than everyone and also half their age younger.
There's quality in HxH that the Young main characters may become strong but Not uber & Haxx like some of there older peers

Either way If RYU is the real time application of Gyo. Why would it be taxing if this is the primarily way of how Nen users fight H2H...Cause slipping up on RYU during a fight can cost you your life...,When abilities come into play GYo is needed to not get blind sided or tricked...

To critique something you have to address facts and not personal bias, there a few negative remarks or statements addressing HxH. I've been reading it since forever, no body blast HxH like they do Naruto & Bleach who at times are juss whinny fans and others it deserved the harsh critism...I didn't say HxH was perfect juss that there's little to complain about or note to be a flaw

 

[tupadre97]

Nen is a multi facited super natural power..,Meaning it has several forms that all characters can use but each effect and desire of these several forms differ from person to person even of they were from the same group. Wheter Killua, Gon & Kurapicka are geniuses or prodigies....Nen is still a power that you have to mature into, & experience and skill are its prime catalyst...meaning only with practice & time can you really become a master and be uber, like Netero or Zeno Etc..........:::No one cares about this and juss say oh they are prodigies, eh it's true but HxH doesn't use the Shounen ace in the hole Main character power up or main character is stronger than everyone and also half their age younger.
There's quality in HxH that the Young main characters may become strong but Not uber & Haxx like some of there older peers

Either way If RYU is the real time application of Gyo. Why would it be taxing if this is the primarily way of how Nen users fight H2H...Cause slipping up on RYU during a fight can cost you your life...,When abilities come into play GYo is needed to not get blind sided or tricked...

To critique something you have to address facts and not personal bias, there a few negative remarks or statements addressing HxH. I've been reading it since forever, no body blast HxH like they do Naruto & Bleach who at times are juss whinny fans and others it deserved the harsh critism...I didn't say HxH was perfect juss that there's little to complain about or note to be a flaw

It's not that easy to always do the right thing during a fight. Like when ppl learn karate and other martial arts but end up just boxing in a real fight because there's too many variables to worry about when it's time for action. Sometimes ppl just forget to use gyo it's not really that hard to understand.

 

[Copy Panda]

trained automatism

 

[Reddington]

"In" & "GYO" = BS.

 

[Copy Panda]

*sigh* just because you don't comprehend (unexplained) mechanics doesn't mean you can just conclude that the mechanic itself is bs...

 

[Reddington]

Yeah sure; cuz Nen Works in "mysterious" ways, right?

 

[Copy Panda]

Yes, after all it's a fictional power - you can change the properties of the released energy in many (advanced) ways for different situations. Have you offered an argument yet for your point?

 

[kkck]

Well, taking in consideration the existence of specialization nen and the fact that psycological aspects of yourself can influence your nen to become stronger (such as random stuff you like being able to strengthen it) then yes, nen specifically works in mysterious ways. I don't see what the issue with gyo is though, its mechanics seem fairly simple. Its in that that is in a murky area.