Discussion About Emet's "haki knot"

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So I was watching the anime's fantastic version of that scene and noticed the "sky parting" effect. Apparently it is seemingly in the manga, just understated compared to the anime.



Thing is, we've only ever seen the sky parting as a result of two powerful conqueror's clashing equally. If the knot is supposed to be Joyboy's haki alone, how does it make sense for a single person's haki to do this? Joyboy tells Emet it's "(my) greatest haki", but what if there's more to it than that? I somehow doubt the narrative answer to this is going to be something as boring as "Joyboy charges a rope with haki like a battery"... so what about this- it's not "just" Joyboy's haki. It's a conqueror's clash sealed away to conclude in the future, basically "capturing lightning in a bottle" from a conflict centuries ago that never resolved.

I'm willing to bet that if this is the case, it's a clash between Joyboy and Davy Jones that was stored in the knot. Aside from apparently Imu, there aren't really any other contenders
 

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So I was watching the anime's fantastic version of that scene and noticed the "sky parting" effect. Apparently it is seemingly in the manga, just understated compared to the anime.



Thing is, we've only ever seen the sky parting as a result of two powerful conqueror's clashing equally. If the knot is supposed to be Joyboy's haki alone, how does it make sense for a single person's haki to do this? Joyboy tells Emet it's "(my) greatest haki", but what if there's more to it than that? I somehow doubt the narrative answer to this is going to be something as boring as "Joyboy charges a rope with haki like a battery"... so what about this- it's not "just" Joyboy's haki. It's a conqueror's clash sealed away to conclude in the future, basically "capturing lightning in a bottle" from a conflict centuries ago that never resolved.

I'm willing to bet that if this is the case, it's a clash between Joyboy and Davy Jones that was stored in the knot. Aside from apparently Imu, there aren't really any other contenders
Interesting observation. However if it had been a clash between Joyboy and Davey Jones then it'd be weird for Imu to only mention Joyboy and not Davey.

Also, I would imagine there was other Haki floating about the place at the time this knot was untied so if it's simply not just Joyboys haki being strong enough to do it solo, it may be because that Bank clashed with the Gorosei haki.

Also, If I recall correctly, didn't Luffy's awakening blast out a bunch of Haki that cleared the sky? Just before we see him infrobt of the moon? Could be wrong.
 

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My guess is simply that joyboy's haki is so powerful that it alone is enough to cause this effect contrary to previous instances where this was caused by the clash of 2 yonko level warriors. Joyboy's haki was on a level we have never seemed before evidenced by it being so powerful that even vice admirals fell to this. Oda did say how effective this ability is depends on circumstances but considering the sheer amount of people there I would argue this is even more monstrous than it appears. Considering that even luffy's crew was able to resist rayleigh's haki back at sambaody. And that any vice admiral would be far stronger than... the entire pre timeskip strawhat crew. Basically you have yonko level fighters and this is above it.
 

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Also, If I recall correctly, didn't Luffy's awakening blast out a bunch of Haki that cleared the sky? Just before we see him infrobt of the moon? Could be wrong.
In the anime it was portrayed the same way a haki clash does, but in the manga the clouds just quietly dissipate, no "sky splitting". Good ask, I didn't remember how the sky cleared up in the manga until this conversation, it's very subtle for some reason like the clouds just sorta quietly leave so Nika can do his pose

There was the classical "sky splitting" clash between Luffy and Kaidou early in their fight, allowing the minks to go sulong.

edit: just checked the anime and it's both: the clouds also quietly part between scenes in the anime. then Luffy's CoC haki goes crazy like a super saiyan transformation for like a minute straight. there is then like two frames of the sky splitting before the clouds blast out in a circular direction from a single point, like the anime director wasn't sure how to portray it so they just went with all the options.

Either way, ain't in the manga at all.
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Also, I would imagine there was other Haki floating about the place at the time this knot was untied so if it's simply not just Joyboys haki being strong enough to do it solo, it may be because that Bank clashed with the Gorosei haki.
Also just reading over it right now, there is no sign of a clash at all. Joyboy's haki absolutely steamrolls everyone, including the Gorosei who are themselves utterly helpless.
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My guess is simply that joyboy's haki is so powerful that it alone is enough to cause this effect contrary to previous instances where this was caused by the clash of 2 yonko level warriors. Joyboy's haki was on a level we have never seemed before evidenced by it being so powerful that even vice admirals fell to this. Oda did say how effective this ability is depends on circumstances but considering the sheer amount of people there I would argue this is even more monstrous than it appears. Considering that even luffy's crew was able to resist rayleigh's haki back at sambaody. And that any vice admiral would be far stronger than... the entire pre timeskip strawhat crew. Basically you have yonko level fighters and this is above it.
Strength isn't what I'm doubting here, it's clear Joyboy has S+++ haki quality. VISUALLY is what doesn't make any sense- the sky splitting is implied to be because, well, there is a CLASH. It's always two opposing forces that create a wall of energy that has nowhere to go but up, it's visual this way on purpose.

I wouldn't use Rayleigh's entrance as evidence of much, considering it was the official introduction of CoC and a LOT has changed about it since then. I read it like it's not like the Strawhats resisted a blast meant for them, Rayleigh was just impressed they could resist the overflow of the blast that was clearly aimed at the baddies anyway.
 
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Strength isn't what I'm doubting here, it's clear Joyboy has S+++ haki quality. VISUALLY is what doesn't make any sense- the sky splitting is implied to be because, well, there is a CLASH. It's always two opposing forces that create a wall of energy that has nowhere to go but up, it's visual this way on purpose.
Luffy also was shown to split the Sky solo in the anime when he first went G5 I believe.
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Luffy also was shown to split the Sky solo in the anime when he first went G5 I believe.
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I covered it in the same post just above that >_>

In the anime it was portrayed the same way a haki clash does, but in the manga the clouds just quietly dissipate, no "sky splitting". Good ask, I didn't remember how the sky cleared up in the manga until this conversation, it's very subtle for some reason like the clouds just sorta quietly leave so Nika can do his pose

There was the classical "sky splitting" clash between Luffy and Kaidou early in their fight, allowing the minks to go sulong.

edit: just checked the anime and it's both: the clouds also quietly part between scenes in the anime. then Luffy's CoC haki goes crazy like a super saiyan transformation for like a minute straight. there is then like two frames of the sky splitting before the clouds blast out in a circular direction from a single point, like the anime director wasn't sure how to portray it so they just went with all the options.

Either way, ain't in the manga at all.
Like there is some haki lightning popping off in the manga, but it's really understated and clearly isn't causing the sky to change like CoC clashes do.
 

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What i unsuccessfully tried to convey was that maybe this reframes the clashes we saw earlier. What we saw earlier wasn't the result of a clash, it was the result of the sheer volume of haki in one spot. And joyboy was able to do that by himself.
 

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It is probably literally just his Haki. And it's just that strong.
A clash doesn't have to be the only way for the sky to be split, it's most likely just manga physics where great power destroys the surroundings and distorts the weather.

The visuals is just making the scene more interesting. We can see visuals from 100s of chapters ago that look more powerful than now, yet Luffy's way stronger now than then.

I wouldn't use Rayleigh's entrance as evidence of much, considering it was the official introduction of CoC and a LOT has changed about it since then. I read it like it's not like the Strawhats resisted a blast meant for them, Rayleigh was just impressed they could resist the overflow of the blast that was clearly aimed at the baddies anyway.
It was actually aimed at everyone indiscriminately. It was also indirectly aimed at them to test if they were truly powerful. Pretty sure if you look at the panels from that scene, some of the SN subordinates said they almost lost consciousness too.

That aside, I don't think these visual details mean much besides just hype.
 

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From what I understood, there are 2 different things
- Sky splitting when 2 Haoushoku Haki blasts meet each other and collide. The energy blasts both collide and can’t continue so they are pushed up and aggregate and concentrate vertically where they get stronger and split the sky clouds there
- Sky clearing when Haki blast clear the whole Sky clouds in all directions where it goes. This would be a much more massive Haki blast level than sky splitting because it means it is not concentrated like sky splitting and still get the same effect on a larger scale with a single user Haki.

That being said, having a single person do Sky splitting makes no sense at all because it implicates the Haoushoku Haki user concentrates his Haoushoku Haki blast at a certain place in the clouds to split them there and not around. So either Oda did a mistake with Joy Boy Haki blast or there is the Dome barrier or something else to block the Haki blast and concentrate it at a certain place where it split the sky clouds.

For instance when Gear 5 does a Haoushoku Haki solo on the Onigashima rooftop he does Sky clearing and not Sky splitting.
 
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