Question About shining ones

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Now that the urek spin off ended , are they alive/active in baam's timeline of events?

If so do you think they have mastered shinsu and if yes shouldn't that make them much stronger than Family heads given they can stack their own powers on top of shinsu powers?

Thoughts?

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[Anne isn't a TT]

This is a set up for S4. It's obvious they would be alive.

I have been saying this many times that my mouth is gonna fall down but I will say it again SIU made 10 FLs too strong, he needed other Irregulars to kill them.

As for mastering shinsu I think they might disdain it. But if they did, they would be very strong. They would have all 3 power, light shinsu and darkness. Possibly the only ones who can use all 3 powers.

 

[arrowofsky]

Now that the urek spin off ended , are they alive/active in baam's timeline of events?

If so do you think they have mastered shinsu and if yes shouldn't that make them much stronger than Family heads given they can stack their own powers on top of shinsu powers?

Thoughts?

@maverickframe_19 @Ignorant @Kibou @arrowofsky @Shinwonryu @Lonatian @Kibou @Demonspeed @Ray Barracuda @Vali x lucifer @SHSL_ZETSUBOU @thelema @Epic_Rider @kkck @Sky is blue @Kenneth Latorre @Big-Bird @Strange @Anne isn't a TT @PlotArmouredTitan @undefined @Suiseiken @Shadowlord123 @RED TOWER @Realfan @sunsetdoolie @Jackjohsnon @Siya101 @boytitan2 @OgDarky @Zestia @zaul the second @macola @Koon Kiseia @Lo Po Bia @Prince of the RL District @white_light etc

Urek Spinoff Ended??????? WOW. Like WOWW. I wish I won't need to read the last +10 chapters to start S4 Main ToG with Luslec
I expect at least one more Shiny to be alive other than Urek, but I dropped spinoff at Ch. 58, so...

 

[VON]

They’re alive for sure.

I don’t think they can use shinsu, probably some plot contrive stuff like they can only use one type of axis powers.

other than Mago ofc. Prime Mago in Nameless might be using light/darkness(?) and shinsu together.

Urek is Urek as an exception.

 

[Demonspeed]

Yes to everything.

Dorothy(I will call her like this from now on) is obviously talking about Revolution. She has Mago inside and is an adult in Baam's era, she should be the strongest Zahard Princess by far.

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They’re alive for sure.

I don’t think they can use shinsu, probably some plot contrive stuff like they can only use one type of axis powers.

other than Mago ofc. Prime Mago in Nameless might be using light/darkness(?) and shinsu together.

Urek is Urek as an exception.

That doesn't make sense. There is no "Axis power" there. Light and Darkness are two different powers and we only know Urek and Phanta as Axis born from the two. Even some very weak Towerborns have some aptitude with Shinsoo. They are Irregulars and were super powerful already.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Urek Spinoff Ended??????? WOW. Like WOWW. I wish I won't need to read the last +10 chapters to start S4 Main ToG with Luslec
I expect at least one more Shiny to be alive other than Urek, but I dropped spinoff at Ch. 58, so...

We might be back for real this time LOL

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We can't say for certain at this point because quite some time has passed in the tower before Baam entered, and Zahard, as well as Eduan and the rest of the FHS, are now aware of everything. I believe they would have improved as well. I'm not sure by how much, but they definitely did.

The entire shiny plot was unnecessary, but I understand SIU brought them up because Baam requires allies who can kill FHs by negating the contract, which only irregulars can do.

 

[VON]

Yes to everything.

Dorothy(I will call her like this from now on) is obviously talking about Revolution. She has Mago inside and is an adult in Baam's era, she should be the strongest Zahard Princess by far.

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That doesn't make sense. There is no "Axis power" there. Light and Darkness are two different powers and we only know Urek and Phanta as Axis born from the two. Even some very weak Towerborns have some aptitude with Shinsoo. They are Irregulars and were super powerful already.

Then why didn’t Aubrion showcase shinsoo usage?

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

The shinies were brought to the tower to not only stop a new axis from being born but also to take the power for themselves which at the end of the day is still shinsu. Theres no reason for them not to have mastered it after so long.

 

[Rak]

Mu suspicion is that the Spin-off is not ended, only S1 is. I don't think the shinies will be in the main story. Dorothy might be, though.

 

[Demonspeed]

Then why didn’t Aubrion showcase shinsoo usage?

Perhaps he was more focused on other things. I expected him to show he had Shinsoo Mastery too since he likes to learn new techniques but I guess we'll see that in S4. The other possibility is that he knew how to use Shinsoo but not how to fuse it with his PoL. No need to use Shinsoo only when PoL is stronger.

Urek wasn't using Shinsoo against him, he only used it for his finishing move. Once he lost he said he didn't expect Urek to adapt to Shinsoo that fast.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

No need to use Shinsoo only when PoL is stronger.

He doesn't use PoL

 

[maverickframe_19]

The power of shinshu is meant to develop an axis, so the phrase "shinshu<POL" is unnecessary. An axis power can be transferred to the outside world as well. In the tower, Shinshu is still more powerful than POL, but outside, they are comparable.

By the way, I still believe Enryu is stronger than these shiny ones and Urek for that matter. His feat is still unmatched. If you believe Aubryon, Mago, or Latour can kill admins, go ahead and make that claim, but I refuse to believe it while Zahard is still active and they haven't done anything to oppose his rule. Also, don't forget the snake claim about Zahard's forces, lol. I believe the fanbase gives too much credit to the shinies.

 

[Demonspeed]

There is no "Shinsoo>PoL or PoD" because the strength of your Shinsoo/PoL/PoD depends on the person. Urek's PoL is nerfed because of the environment he is in, not because Shinsoo is stronger. Shinsoo can only be used in the Tower.

Is Rachel's Shinsoo stronger than Urek's PoL?

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

The power of shinshu is meant to develop an axis, so the phrase "shinshu<POL" is unnecessary. An axis power can be transferred to the outside world as well. In the tower, Shinshu is still more powerful than POL, but outside, they are comparable.

By the way, I still believe Enryu is stronger than these shiny ones and Urek for that matter. His feat is still unmatched. If you believe Aubryon, Mago, or Latour can kill admins, go ahead and make that claim, but I refuse to believe it while Zahard is still active and they haven't done anything to oppose his rule. Also, don't forget the snake claim about Zahard's forces, lol. I believe the fanbase gives too much credit to the shinies.

It depends. FHs and shining ones are on comparable level when talking about shinsu and light powers. It's worth noting shining ones don't use light anymore but reversal powers.

Urek is comparable to phanta on outside and SIU has repeatedly hinted in BP that phanta > Enryu. So outside urek is definitely stronger than enryu. Even if enryu is revealed to be an axis , the scaling doesn't change.

Inside the tower, it's hard for urek to bring out his full light powers. So depending on whether urek is able to use his full light powers inside the tower in baam's timeline, he can be above or below enryu.

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Anyways the topic here is if shining ones also learn shinsu on similar level to that of FHs and can stack on their unique reversal powers, they should be a level above FHs logically speaking.

 

[Strange]

Is Rachel's Shinsoo stronger than Urek's PoL?

 

[maverickframe_19]

Shinsoo can only be used in the Tower.

We cannot make this claim when we know that Shinshu is now a power source for an axis and that axis is meant to take tower born to new heights, which is outside.

Is Rachel's Shinsoo stronger than Urek's PoL?

Of course not, don't compare apples to oranges.

Urek is comparable to phanta on outside and SIU has repeatedly hinted in BP that phanta > Enryu. So outside urek is definitely stronger than enryu. Even if enryu is revealed to be an axis , the scaling doesn't change.

Urek is comparable to Phanta based on what? Just because he's destined to fight him? LOL. Bro, in terms of power, even though there's endless light, it can never end darkness. Take space, for example. These Urek claims are getting out of hand. All this talk for someone who hasn't even tried to fight an admin even though he's very eager to fight one. Urek could never defeat Phanta without Baam's help. That's one narrative that is set in stone. It's Phanta, Enryu, Zahard--Urek.That's the order. Inside or outside, I still will put Enryu above or at least comparable with Urek on the outside.

Anyways the topic here is if shining ones also learn shinsu on similar level to that of FHs and can stack on their unique reversal powers, they should be a level above FHs logically speaking.

Let's see, but for now I trust what the snake is saying. It will be a close fight.

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

Urek is comparable to Phanta based on what?

Urek, Phanta and the Tower's axis are said to be comparable to each other by Aubrion who is one of Phantas core followers.

So far, Enryu was explicitly confirmed by siu to be a non-axis.
Being stronger than an admin is cool and all, but an axis by Aubrion's definition would be stronger than all 135 known admins put together.

Enryu needs bigger feats or an explicit confirmation as an axis to be put in the same category as Urek and Phanta.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

We cannot make this claim when we know that Shinshu is now a power source for an axis and that axis is meant to take tower born to new heights, which is outside.




Of course not, don't compare apples to oranges.




Urek is comparable to Phanta based on what? Just because he's destined to fight him? LOL. Bro, in terms of power, even though there's endless light, it can never end darkness. Take space, for example. These Urek claims are getting out of hand. All this talk for someone who hasn't even tried to fight an admin even though he's very eager to fight one. Urek could never defeat Phanta without Baam's help. That's one narrative that is set in stone. It's Phanta, Enryu, Zahard--Urek.That's the order. Inside or outside, I still will put Enryu above or at least comparable with Urek on the outside.


Let's see, but for now I trust what the snake is saying. It will be a close fight.

Urek was said to be an immense being on same level as phantaminium an axis. Enryu doesn't have same hype as urek for now.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Urek was said to be an immense being on same level as phantaminium an axis. Enryu doesn't have same hype as urek for now.

A being like him doesn't mean he's stronger than Phanta. I am judging someone on his feats. Enryu feat is still the most impressive. That's all.

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Urek, Phanta and the Tower's axis are said to be comparable to each other by Aubrion who is one of Phantas core followers.

So far, Enryu was explicitly confirmed by siu to be a non-axis.
Being stronger than an admin is cool and all, but an axis by Aubrion's definition would be stronger than all 135 known admins put together.

Enryu needs bigger feats or an explicit confirmation as an axis to be put in the same category as Urek and Phanta.

Before this story, did we know Urek to be Axis? NO.
What makes you think SIU won't do the same with Enryu? You guys can say whatever you want. Ok. But if SIU can change Urek's course, Enryu is an easy bet given his popularity and anticipation.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

A being like him doesn't mean he's stronger than Phanta. I am judging someone on his feats. Enryu feat is still the most impressive. That's all.

I mean enryu technically has better feats than phantaminium also. Axis > Non axis. So unless enryu is shown to be an axis , he is below full power urek.