Question About shining ones

[maverickframe_19]

I mean enryu technically has better feats than phantaminium also. Axis > Non axis. So unless enryu is shown to be an axis , he is below full power urek.

Here's my problem with this line of thinking. Your so-called axis to be Urek is stuck in the tower for more than 5000 years (going by Garam's age)
While a true axis like Phanta can come and go as he pleases, that is true in the case of Enryu. He killed the administrator and dipped.

Why is Urek stuck if he's a being like Phanta? In theory he also should be able to come and go as he pleases. He's an axis, no? He can write his own fate, no? LOL. This Urek, all-so-powerful love,, needs to stop.

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

Here's my problem with this line of thinking. Your so-called axis to be Urek is stuck in the tower for more than 5000 years (going by Garam's age)
While a true axis like Phanta can come and go as he pleases, that is true in the case of Enryu. He killed the administrator and dipped.

Why is Urek stuck if he's a being like Phanta? In theory he also should be able to come and go as he pleases. He's an axis, no? He can write his own fate, no? LOL. This Urek, all-so-powerful love,, needs to stop.

All of this is irrelevant to being an axis or not. Arlene was able to leave the tower without being one.

And while its already been mentioned by Urek himself that his power output is limited within the tower, it doesnt erase the fact that he's confimed to be an axis, what youre doing here is wrestling with the plot

The single canon requirement for being in the same category as Urek and Phanta is to have immense power equivalent to the entire tower's worth of shinsu. Enryu simply doesnt measure up to that category by feats alone.

Until he gets an explicit confirmation, or better feats like maybe deafeating another axis, what you have is pure speculation.

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Before this story, did we know Urek to be Axis? NO.
What makes you think SIU won't do the same with Enryu? You guys can say whatever you want. Ok. But if SIU can change Urek's course, Enryu is an easy bet given his popularity and anticipation.

Thats the thing, no one was claiming Urek was an Axis before this. Not even fanboys like me.

We had to see it before we believed it. But when it comes to Z or Enryu, people prefer to believe before seeing

 

[maverickframe_19]

All of this is irrelevant to being an axis or not. Arlene was able to leave the tower without being one.

And while its already been mentioned by Urek himself that his power output is limited within the tower, it doesnt erase the fact that he's confimed to be an axis, what youre doing here is wrestling with the plot

The single canon requirement for being in the same category as Urek and Phanta is to have immense power equivalent to the entire tower's worth of shinsu. Enryu simply doesnt measure up to that category by feats alone.

Until he gets an explicit confirmation, or better feats like maybe deafeating another axis, what you have is pure speculation.

How is killing an admin a feat you keep discounting? I am sorry. What are Urek's feats? If you're just naming feats, tell me his? Don't go just by statements. SIU can change the narrative anyway anytime he wants. He did the same with Urek; he could do the same with Enryu.

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All of this is irrelevant to being an axis or not. Arlene was able to leave the tower without being one.

And while its already been mentioned by Urek himself that his power output is limited within the tower, it doesnt erase the fact that he's confimed to be an axis, what youre doing here is wrestling with the plot

The single canon requirement for being in the same category as Urek and Phanta is to have immense power equivalent to the entire tower's worth of shinsu. Enryu simply doesnt measure up to that category by feats alone.

Until he gets an explicit confirmation, or better feats like maybe deafeating another axis, what you have is pure speculation.

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Thats the thing, no one was claiming Urek was an Axis before this. Not even fanboys like me.

We had to see it before we believed it. But when it comes to Z or Enryu, people prefer to believe before seeing

Yeah, but now there is confirmation bias. We're not believing; I am saying SIU has actively brought up all these things. And he did change the narrative for Urek. He could do the same with Enryu. A lot of stuff involved with Enryu is still shrouded in mystery. I just prefer to have more information and conclusive evidence before I make claims. Only statements don't move me. I want something tangible. Until then, I stick to my opinion.

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

How is killing an admin a feat you keep discounting? I am sorry. What are Urek's feats? If you're just naming feats, tell me his? Don't go just by statements. SIU can change the narrative anyway anytime he wants. He did the same with Urek; he could do the same with Enryu.

Enryu's feat simply isn't axis level. An axis should be able to kill a 100+ admins all together. Someone weaker than an Axis would be able to do what Enryu did.

What are Urek's feats? If you're just naming feats, tell me his?

Phantas feats dont make him an Axis either, but what we have is a solid confirmation in the story.

And thankfully we dont need feats to scale characters that are confirmed as axis level since they are established to be equivalent to the power output of the entire tower.

You literally cant have an axis level feat in the tower without absolute destruction and annihilation. The only thing that can properly upscale Enryu without an outright confirmation is him defeating an axis level being.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Here's my problem with this line of thinking. Your so-called axis to be Urek is stuck in the tower for more than 5000 years (going by Garam's age)
While a true axis like Phanta can come and go as he pleases, that is true in the case of Enryu. He killed the administrator and dipped.

Why is Urek stuck if he's a being like Phanta? In theory he also should be able to come and go as he pleases. He's an axis, no? He can write his own fate, no? LOL. This Urek, all-so-powerful love,, needs to stop.

We do not know why but gustang was shocked after urek destroyed traums disconnection and said urek destroys laws of tower and wonder whether he is stuck/lost in tower or not.

 

[Demonspeed]

Urek lost his power. I don't think he is comparable to Phanta outside as he is.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Urek lost his power. I don't think he is comparable to Phanta outside as he is.

I don't think the loss was permanent. Urek is like a battery. His most likely has regained his stolen powers by baam timeline.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

I think problem with UM right now is the lack of light inside the tower. As he moves higher up in the tower the more concentrated shinsu will be there. So if no light enters the tower, he can't gather it. We already know in F2, light barely reaches there not to mention his base 77 floor.

 

[Fortress of Solitude]

Mu suspicion is that the Spin-off is not ended, only S1 is. I don't think the shinies will be in the main story. Dorothy might be, though.

We don't ever see Phantaminun killed the Zahard's Army best soldiers, I think the season 4 will be short and the spin-off will come back.

 

[Strange]

Urek lost his power. I don't think he is comparable to Phanta outside as he is.

Urek is light and he generates his own light and surely he has no problem to use his 100% light in main series becuase aubrion was sure that urek in future would be able to use his light easily , he said "I never expected Urek to adapt to shinsoo that quickly" which means its not tower is suppressing urek but the enviroment for that time because he was a new guy there and that's why mago had no problem to use light yet urek wasn't because mago was inside of the tower eons maybe who knows how many times penta entered and left the tower .

So urek losing his power doesn't makes sense becuase his body is light and it generates light itself becase the guy is an axiser so there is no problem with ureks power , we can say that it needs time to be filled so not a problem for an axiser, if guy can generate his own light then how can we say that he lost ounce of power ?


do you really think that urek would let neo to stab him to take his precious power ? i'd not be so sure . its constantly said that jewels cannot generate light but ureks light is limitless and it generates 24/7/365 . if shinsoo is an axis power and its always there what makes you think that urek doesn't have such world inside of him ? idk ...

 

[Demonspeed]

I don't think the loss was permanent. Urek is like a battery. His most likely has regained his stolen powers by baam timeline.

Not permanent but it takes a lot more time to recover. From what was said they stole a massive amount of Light.

But yes, he should have recovered it in the main story.

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We don't ever see Phantaminun killed the Zahard's Army best soldiers, I think the season 4 will be short and the spin-off will come back.

Even if it comes back, S4 will definitely not be short.

 

[Strange]

I mean enryu technically has better feats than phantaminium also. Axis > Non axis. So unless enryu is shown to be an axis , he is below full power urek.

Enryu wanking doesn't not make sense the guy is a slave like shining ones are slaves to penta and like i've been saying its too early to say that enryu isn't a slave .

especially siu ending spin off without showing us that shining one with a thorn and that's thorn there 100% but interesting who's thorn is that .

fandoms brain will melt surely when they will see enryu and they will be disappointed LOL becuase outside pentaminum rules and who can be outside god but pentaminum himself ? because outside there is light and light rules not darkness becase darkness only created pentaminum which is funny , so pentaminum can be only outside god surely ... and if we wont play mind-games even fhs are called gods and the guy pentaminum is indeed god with axis powers so how can ppl be so blidn idk ...

in the past i've beensaying constantly that urek calls darkness only shining ones or penta yet no one believed me here they were all against that its not that darkness and urek got rid off them but now we have 6 shining ones there and those guys are backing Revolutions surely and that's why they ran away when urek appeared ...

and funny thing is that ppl believe that enryu thing happened in eons ago but it doesn't seem like that ... pentaminum entered in the tower way before urek did and enryu thing even if it happened before urek still not a problem , plus urek has said about enryu whne red thryssa was talking about enryu "and urek has said his power ? "

also we are introduced to jewels and thorn is in pentaminums hand , plus baam cannot use thorn at all yet shinsoo weapons do not have problem to be used but thorn is dead .

souls are burned to use thorn and souls have light in them that's why mago also been killing those fodders on second floor to regain her power slowly . idk but makes no sense to exclude the fact that enryu is one of the shining ones . especially siu had told to us that he will appear , and also mago can give ppl gifts so can enryu .

so enryu being shining one isn't a big problem and even if he isn't not a problem for me at all but ppl want it to be some mysterious guy from some god who couldn't create zilch but pentaminum LoL