I didn t exactly mean that there will be no severe consequences to his actions..I just wondered if Soo Won will sentence him to death or if Tae Jun will receive another (minor ) punishment.
Which character did you mean? I am curious.
haha, that panel was probably for comic purposes. But you can see that she still didn't care much because at that point she was still into Soo-Won.
Lol I missed your rants.
Zeno.... Well, even hak(and he's an MC)
I prefer the outcome that the dragon warrior´s service would end before the last chapter of AnY. Zeno and the other dragon warriors suffered too long under the influence of the bond. Their powers are a double-edged sword. Not just in Shin ha s case. As long as the dragon warriors exist, there will be either people after their powers or they fear them and wish to kill them therefore.
I don t mind the talk. It is about time. I was just glad that we were spared the typical jealousy, which occurs in nearly all the shojo mangas at least I have read.
Oh. How I would have liked that!
I know you will not stop complaining about Su-won no matter what and the fact that you still complain about Su-won’s perfectness after this arc confirms it. Seriously, in this arc Su-won believed that war is a solution to Xing problem and was proven to be wrong. What else do you want? Yona wanted to solve it peacefully and this is what happened so she was shown to be right. She was Miss Right in this arc, not Su-won.
If Kusanagi wanted, she could have left her with one dragon, for example, Zeno so that he could advise her in making sound political moves and teach her. She could have used Hak to teach Yona something about politics as well. It was Kusangi decision to leave Yona in this situation. She might have decided differently.
This would be a valid argument if I were comparing Yona’s development to a development of a josei heroine, but I am not. I am comparing how she developed in this arc vs. how it looked in previous arcs and pointed out why I think it was handled better in the previous arcs. How she first had to learn and put some effort in gaining a skill before enjoying a success.
To tell the truth I don’t know why anyone who likes Hak & Yona can be happy with Yona being jealous. It is an obvious hindrance on their way to be together and it is a trick used to slow down the romance. I am ok with a discussion between these two. It is just the jealousy cliché that I would like to avoid.
I don't get why people on this forum are so against God? It depends on belief at the end of the day. For example, I am agnostic but I believe in a divine power that connects us all together and has a very high level governance upon humankind. If you think of it - the world itself is a miracle. Earth is positioned at the exact distance from the sun that makes it possible to breed life. Everything is a miracle, so is human life. So why should we be so against "divinity" or the unexplained?
So what if it is typical or cliche? People who enjoy shoujo romance like stuff like this. We want cute moments like this between our favourite ship.
It is not about disliking gods, it is about how Yona's development was handled in this arc and how it seemed that her being reincarnation of a God and the Chosen One basically solves problems for her.
I see. I dislike Yona being successful due to luck, because in the first arcs it seemed that it will not be the case and she will need to put effort to gain some abilities and will succeed as a result of gaining them.
I am a religious person myself. So I am not against God/Gods or the concept of religion. And I did never say that.
I think that will be the case. Kusanagi demonstrated quite often that the powers of the dragon warriors are a problem and the following is important:
I agree Soo Won also has some lessons to learn. He is based on his upbringing to prone to use violent means.
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The discussion in this case is about the existence of divinity within Kouka and if it is required, not about Yona\s characterization.
Sorry but that is how it came across, but I guess I am clear on that now.
I did mention that I think the curse should go away and I think it will by the end of the manga.
Rather than violence it is just what is the most convenient way.
I am not saying rely only on god. I am saying their can be a coexistence. Let me ask you something...did Iksu seem like a bad person to you? Yet Yu-Hon killed and massacred a lot of people like Ik-Su some of them who might have even been good people, who actually cared for Kouka more than their own power.
Su-won has not been shown to persecute religious people. He is just shown as someone who does not want religion to get involved and mess with politics. I agree with SamuelDean here.
Soo-Won seems like someone who does not wish for divinity to exist at all and I think there are personal reasons behind it. Also for someone who is so against divine powers, he has sure gotten a lot of help from these powers, indirectly - but we have had this discussion before many times.
I don't think that Su-won would oppress anyone because of religion. Hak himself believes that Su-won would not do anything like it.
It is not about the existence of divinity...Religion is practised in Kouka. You said there was a peaceful coexistence...but there was no peaceful coexistence so far, because the priest meddled in the politics of Kouka.
But if the bond vanishes, so will Yona s "powers." Yona is a human being after all and doesn t seem to have any special powers and that is what I mean.
I think using effective means is prudent and necessary for any kind of ruler. I just criticize him, that he could maybe apply less violent means.
Soo Won didn t forbid religion. He is just against the political influence of the religious heads. There was even a priest present at his coronation.
I don t know Ik soo that well. He doesn t seem to be a bad person, but it is still questionable. But even if he should be a "good person", I am not sure if I would trust his political decisions.
I don t understand, the context here, with the discussion...
Yu hon/ (or rather what I believe King Junam) has just achieved a separation between state and religion, they didn t kill the priests, nor was/is religion forbidden. During this 150 chapters, there was no event where Soo Won persecuted someone for his religious belief.
Soo Won doesn t deny anybody his belief in God, but he bases his decisions not on the will of the gods and yes I think that is a wise decision. People can be religious, but still be capable and act responsible. Soo Won tried to strengthen not only the borders, but also the people (and above else the heads of the tribes) and it seems that these measures were necessary for Kouka.
Soo Won cooperated with Yona and I hope we can see more such events in the future...but I disagree about the role of the Gods.
I am not saying he will surpress anyone's believes or oppress them. I am just saying that is very clearly against the whole idea of divinity in general. In this sense he is rational to a fault and not everyone will agree with them and there might eventually by an uprising because of it.
Actually that isn't a priest. If you look at previous panels you will see Mundok saying that there is no priest to coronate him.
I will take an example of ancient times. By ancient times here I will take an example of India - a country in the east. The Prime Ministers of those ancient times were often saints or sages who were dispassionate and gave advice based on the principles of the ultimate "truth". These guys were enlightened masters who adviced the rulers and kings from a very spiritual perspective to keep things balanced in the country and to rule the country wisely. They were never after power. For thousands of years, India was ruled in a somewhat peaceful state through these principals. Then they drove all these guys away and let invaders come in for greed and power.
The question is...what gives people strength? Doesn't god also give people strength?
This is not the case in this manga. We were told that the priests in Kouka were meddling in the politics and now we have Gobi, who tried to kill Kouren and take over the power .
But on the other hand we have Yona - and her divine dragons and Soo-Won working together to benefit Kouka don't we? We had Ik-Su who didn't seem so bad. So why can't there be an equilibrium? It's not totally impossible.
If we were talking about a utopia without religion, then I would agree. But religion exists and so do the sentiments of people.
In the years during King Junam s rule there doesn t seem to be an uprising, because the priests were thrown out of the castle, since the existence of the religion(s) didn t change.
No Mundoek does say that there is currently no priest inside Hiryuu castle (since Yu hon cast them out).
Or everyone could stay in his realm...The religious heads do care for the religious or humane problems, but the king is the one to decide the politics of the country (more or less like it is now.) Though it would be good, if Yona could participate. I am not against Yona s interference as a person.
Another example is the pope, who clearly meddled in the politics of some countries in the past. Yes, I think it can be done, but it is not necessary, and in this case maybe more harmful, since the people tend to rely too strongly on the heavenly guidance (at least in that manga), instead of thinking about ways how to fight the problems on their own.
I think that the bases of the country, their civil rights ect...can mirror the religious belief, but I prefer a clear separation between religion and state.
Surely. But religion doesn t seem to be forbidden. Just the interference of religion into politics.
There was an uprising...the whole firetribe rebelled on the basis of religion (hiryuu). Firetribe head had other plans ofc, but the people believed they are true descendants of Hiryuu. Maybe if their religious sentiments were taken care of, that wouldn't have happened, who knows.
I am not really speaking about Yona, but just about having religious people be part of the advisory of Kouka. But, only those who aren't after power like Ik-Su. A king like Soo-Won who is a good judge of character should be able to fish them out.
I don't agree here. Most modern day countries are a mess and corrupt. They could do with some "wisdom" of the sages and spiritual masters.
To say that it was a religious uprising. No, just no. First of all, it took place many years after King Junam's rule. Secondly. in the first place it took place, because Su-Jin believed that the throne should be his, because he believed that he is Hiryuu's descendent. It was something that Su-Jin was planning for years. It was not an uprising of the people who felt bad that priests where thrown away from the castle.
Are you going to deny that the people of the firetribe believe they are Hiryuu's descendants, which is a religious matter, hence a rebellion based on religion. Su-Jin manipulated the people into believing he is Hiryuu's descendant and gathered support which is once again a religious matter.